How valid are he data on http://www.ztdent.com.tw/ztdent/Acupuncture/

September 17, 2008

Hello Bruce:

You wrote:

" Herbs and acupuncture have been amazing for cancer treatment in my patients. "

The Chinese herbalist who I have been studying with insists that all of the

herbal formulae regarding cancer are phony and will do nothing to help patients,

and that only the old Chinese doctors know the real secrets.

At the same time he is not forthcoming about the formulae he has used, as he

still holds these as trade secrets.

I don't accept such arguments, but it is difficult to discern the true from the

false.

Do you have a good source for such herbal treatments?

There is a 1996 book published in China, " Research on Tumors " (Zhong Yi Ai Liu

Xue) which has many formula about cancer.

Acupuncture and herbs do seem capable of addressing cancer. As a traditional

herbalist, my teacher knows almost nothing about acupuncture and often insists

it doesn't work.

Thank you,

Jack

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Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 6:46 PM

Hi Bruce, & All,

I wrote:

> As regards acupuncture in cancer, my translation of Chinese data on

> http://tinyurl. com/6ap28e says: oesophagus cancer: CV17, CV16, CV14,

> CV22, BL17, BL22, Pigen; ST cancer: CV12 through CV13, BL20, BL21,

> LU10, PC06; LU cancer: BL25, BL13, LU10, CV17; LV cancer: LV03 through

> KI01, Pigen, BL18, BL18; rectum cancer: SP06, BL25, BL13, CV04 through

> CV03, BL26; cervix cancer: CV04 through CV03, SP10, ST36, SP06 through

> GB39 +/- BL23 through Pigen; nasopharyngeal carcinoma: LI11, LI04,

> BL13, LU10, SJ03, SI05; breast cancer: PC07, LU10, LI04, BL13, ST36;

> lymphosarcoma, lymphatic metastatic cancer: BL13, LU10, ST36, BL22,

> LI11; brain malignant cancer: BL37, LI04, BL60 through KI03, KI01;

> myeloid leukemia~ chronic: ST36, BL20, SP10; Any comments? [Phil]

Bruce replied:

> Hi Phil, I am not comfortable with so many points adjacent to many of

> these tumors (e.g. oesophagus cancer: CV17, CV16, CV14, CV22; ST

> cancer: CV12 through CV13, BL20, BL21). When I have needled close to a

> malignant mass (fortunately only a few times!), the tumors have grown

> more rapidly. I use either Ke [Ko] Cycle (re: Are), distal points to clear

> channels, or Dr. Tran Dzung-viet's interpretation of the Classics

> (tested by his clinical acumen). I presented Dr. Tran's lectures in a

> condensed form for the Ostende IVAS Congress. Herbs and acupuncture

> have been amazing for cancer treatment in my patients.

Bruce, apologies for not checking the author´s credentials before emailing

the data.

The site ( http://www.ztdent. com.tw/ztdent/ Acupuncture/ in Taiwan) has lots

of teaching material in Chinese, but I cannot verify the bona-fides / expertise

of the author(s) and I am not sure how good the data are. Therefore, the

data are indeed questionable.

The site has another file, with loads of info (cookbook points) in Chinese on

common clinical conditions, at: http://tinyurl. com/5fhf4p

Best regards,

September 18, 2008

Hi Bruce, & All,

I wrote:

> As regards acupuncture in cancer, my translation of Chinese data on

> http://tinyurl.com/6ap28e says: oesophagus cancer: CV17, CV16, CV14,