Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Does anyone know if belladonna is ever used in TCM? If so, what is the pinyin name? I had a patient ask me about it today, and it peaked my interest. I can't find anything in my books or online. Thanks, Ariel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I know its it an ant-acid patent called gastropin, but I don't know the pinyin Chinese Medicine , " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel wrote: > > Does anyone know if belladonna is ever used in TCM? If so, what is the > pinyin name? > > I had a patient ask me about it today, and it peaked my interest. I > can't find anything in my books or online. > > Thanks, > Ariel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 There's a long tradition in Western herbalism for the use of Belladonna, but it's toxic, so probably shouldn't be used by anyone unless they really know what they're doing. It's called Belladonna " Beautiful woman " , because it was used to dilate pupils, which was considered cosmetically appealing. (Studies have shown that biologically, men find women with dilated pupils more sexy - Betty boop phenomenon) Belladonna is also hallucinogenic; it was used to help witches " fly " . Probably too dangerous to use, except in homeopathy. K. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:22 AM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: > I know its it an ant-acid patent called gastropin, but I don't know > the pinyin > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Ariel Solomon, > L.Ac. " <ariel wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if belladonna is ever used in TCM? If so, what is the > > pinyin name? > > > > I had a patient ask me about it today, and it peaked my interest. I > > can't find anything in my books or online. > > > > Thanks, > > Ariel > > > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 The pinyin is lang dang, a name used in ancient Chinese herbal medical books (along with many other sub names so it is confusing). The English name is Henbane (seed), Solanaceae family, under Hyoscyamus. As Solanaceae is a big family, some of these plants contain the similar chemical components. It contains hyoscyamine, atropine, scopolamine that are widely used in western medicine. Chinese herbal medicine uses both seeds and dried flowers. It is bitter, cold. The seed is poisonous. However, leaves, flowerd (dried) and branches contain poisonous substance that will cause drowiness, convlusions, halluciations, and diluted pupils, etc. It is for mania, bi syndrome,chronic coughing, etc.along with other medicinals. Henbane is no longer available in herbal shops in China, along with many other poisonous herbs such as chuan wu (aconite). One needs special channel(connection) to get those poisonious herbs. I have seen the plant in my campus (Chengdu U of TCM) and it is gorgous.It has a light yellowish trumpet-shaped long (8 inches)flowers. Check google for pics. Hope that helps. Dr sung, yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Dr. Sung, Thanks. But, I think that Belladonna is a completely different plant then Henbane: Atropa belladonna (belladonna) vs Hyoscamus niger (henbane) They share the same family : Solanaceae (night shade family) ie tobacco, gou qi zi, chili peppers They have similar effects and alkaloids and usage traditionally 2 questions: 1. Is this info from a Chinese materia medica or another source? 2. Chuan wu is not being sold in stores in China? We can still get it here in America (processed) K. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM, sxm2649 <sxm2649 wrote: > The pinyin is lang dang, a name used in ancient Chinese herbal > medical books (along with many other sub names so it is confusing). > The English name is Henbane (seed), Solanaceae family, under > Hyoscyamus. As Solanaceae is a big family, some of these plants > contain the similar chemical components. > > It contains hyoscyamine, atropine, scopolamine that are widely used > in western medicine. > > Chinese herbal medicine uses both seeds and dried flowers. It is > bitter, cold. The seed is poisonous. However, leaves, flowerd (dried) > and branches contain poisonous substance that will cause drowiness, > convlusions, halluciations, and diluted pupils, etc. > > It is for mania, bi syndrome,chronic coughing, etc.along with other > medicinals. > > Henbane is no longer available in herbal shops in China, along with > many other poisonous herbs such as chuan wu (aconite). One needs > special channel(connection) to get those poisonious herbs. I have > seen the plant in my campus (Chengdu U of TCM) and it is gorgous.It > has a light yellowish trumpet-shaped long (8 inches)flowers. Check > google for pics. > > Hope that helps. > > Dr sung, yuk-ming > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 John: I think what you are referring to is called " Dian Qie " The abstract below concerns this form of belladonna. Regards, Jack 培养系统的建立 Establishment of Hairy Root Cultures of Atropa belladonna In vitro cultural systems of medical plant, A. belladonna was established, bacteria-free leaves were used as explants for genetic transformation by A. rhizogenes strain A4. The result showed that all the infected leaves could produce hairy roots from the wound sites. The hairy roots shown a typical phenotype characterized by plagio tropic growth, high incidence of lateral branching and faster growth than untransformed roots in phytohormone-free medium. PCR analysis showed that the rooting genes including rolB and rolC were confirmed integrated into the genome of A. belledonna hairy roots. Three root lines were investigated for growth rate and alkaloid productivity after cultured in liquid MS medium 35 days, the maximum biomass of hairy roots increased up to 7.5 times. The maxi mum amount of hyoscyamine (5.61 mg · g-1) was present in the hairy root lines T6, which had almost 7 times than that recorded in untransformed mature plant roots (0.84 mg · g-1 ), the maximum amount of scopolamine (2.35 mg · g-1 ) was present in the hairy root lines T2, which had more than 9 times than that recorded in mature plant roots (0.25 mg · g-1). Results revealed that the rol genes seemed sufficient to induce the hairy root phenotype, including fast growth rate and a high level of secondary metabolite accumulation. This work shows that hairy root culture of A. belladonna. is a good way to produce tropane alkaloid.  --- On Sun, 9/7/08, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: Re: belladonna Chinese Medicine Sunday, September 7, 2008, 9:57 AM Dr. Sung, Thanks. But, I think that Belladonna is a completely different plant then Henbane: Atropa belladonna (belladonna) vs Hyoscamus niger (henbane) They share the same family : Solanaceae (night shade family) ie tobacco, gou qi zi, chili peppers They have similar effects and alkaloids and usage traditionally 2 questions: 1. Is this info from a Chinese materia medica or another source? 2. Chuan wu is not being sold in stores in China? We can still get it here in America (processed) K. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM, sxm2649 <sxm2649 (AT) 163 (DOT) com> wrote: > The pinyin is lang dang, a name used in ancient Chinese herbal > medical books (along with many other sub names so it is confusing). > The English name is Henbane (seed), Solanaceae family, under > Hyoscyamus. As Solanaceae is a big family, some of these plants > contain the similar chemical components. > > It contains hyoscyamine, atropine, scopolamine that are widely used > in western medicine. > > Chinese herbal medicine uses both seeds and dried flowers. It is > bitter, cold. The seed is poisonous. However, leaves, flowerd (dried) > and branches contain poisonous substance that will cause drowiness, > convlusions, halluciations, and diluted pupils, etc. > > It is for mania, bi syndrome,chronic coughing, etc.along with other > medicinals. > > Henbane is no longer available in herbal shops in China, along with > many other poisonous herbs such as chuan wu (aconite). One needs > special channel(connection) to get those poisonious herbs. I have > seen the plant in my campus (Chengdu U of TCM) and it is gorgous.It > has a light yellowish trumpet-shaped long (8 inches)flowers. Check > google for pics. > > Hope that helps. > > Dr sung, yuk-ming > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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