update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and function

[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

Tai yang channel needling sounds like a good strategy for right

now, go for it. . . .

 

 

 

On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:13 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> He mentions on pg 185, that " the Tai Yang, the ultimate yang, is

> thus large in both its functional scope and surface of the body. "

> This got me thinking: Chana's seizure disorder is a functional

> rather than a structural one. Many scans, as I have mentioned

> before, have corroborated that the brain is intact without any

> lesions, thank G-d. As such it is a Yang disorder, and it makes

> perfect sense that the Tai Yang, the ultimate yang, if regulated

> would resolve this problem. It further dawned on me that this

> protocol would probably be effective in general for patients who are

> constantly wired and in fight or flight. My findings over the past

> week have consistantly confirmed that.

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

[Guest guest]

Dear Colleagues,

 

I wanted to update you on my wife's progress and an observation that I had. 

Unfortunately, yesterday morning she did have a seizure, this time after 27 days

(a little longer than it has been recently), and it should be noted also, that

our caregiver forget to give her her medicine, GoChi and aloe vera to rince with

before going to sleep.  Coincidence? 'dunno, just to note it, though.  Now, a

day and a half later, she has her usual thick stringy clear fluid in her throat,

which the Aloe vera is helping with, but significantly, she is stronger and her

tongue looks much less dry than usual.  Also, interestingly, before he seizure,

her pulse was actually a little bit slow, thready  and  a little bit choppy,

though not as weak as before. She also didn't have a bowel movement for a day. 

 Here is her most recent modified formula, which she began Sunday morning: Mu Li

21, Long Gu 21, Bai Shao Yao 24, Zhi Gan Cao 12, Dang Gui 15, Wu Wei Zi 9, Dang

Shen

30, Bai He 24, Shu DI Huang 24, Mai Men Dong 18, Dan Shen 9, Gou Teng 15, Tian

Ma 9, Bai Zi Ren 15, Suan Zao Ren 15, Ye Jiao Teng 15, He Shou Wu 15, Long Yan

Rou 12,  Chuan Xiong 3, and E Jiao 9.

 

As I mentioned, I have been needling SI 3,4,5,6 on the right hand (it tremors

and spasms more) and UB 62, 63, 64 and 65 on the left leg. 

 

Here's my observation:  In Jason Robertson's WONDERFUL book (BTW, any student or

practitioner of who has not picked it up--it is a MUST!  It

presents theory and practice so clearly, so logically, and importantly, so

humanely.  Dr Wang sounds like someone you would wish could be your Uncle to

teach you Chinese medicine and how to be a mensch.  In the Jewish tradition, we

say, " In the place where you find His humility, it is there that you find His

greatness " .   Great people epitomize this modest greatness, and it seems to me

that Dr. Wang would fit that description.)

 Applied Channel Theory in : Wang Ju-Yi¢s Lectures on Channel

Therapeutics, 

 

 

 

 

 

ISBN:978-0-939616-62-6

    

He mentions on pg 185, that " the Tai Yang, the ultimate yang, is thus large in

both its functional scope and surface of the body. "   This got me

thinking:  Chana's seizure disorder is a functional rather than a structural

one.  Many scans, as I have mentioned before, have corroborated that the brain

is intact without any lesions, thank G-d.  As such it is a Yang disorder, and it

makes perfect sense that the Tai Yang, the ultimate yang, if regulated would

resolve this problem.  It further dawned on me that this protocol would probably

be effective in general for patients who are constantly wired and in fight or

flight.  My findings over the past week have consistantly confirmed that. 

 

I will keep you informed.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda -

FWIW, Phlegm gets better with a bowel movement. I have a patient with

Phlegm, m/c is spells of extreme drowsiness (somnolence). When she

has a bowel movement her energy comes right back. I though it was

very strange, but it was right there in Maclean's handbook under

somnolence. I knew I kept all these books around for something...

 

Godspeed

Geoff

 

 

, yehuda frischman

< wrote:

>

.... She also didn't have a bowel movement for a day.   Here is her

most recent modified formula, which she began Sunday morning:

[Guest guest]

I absolutely agree, as that has been our experience. But yesterday she did make

a bowel movement that was soft, large and well formed.  Two other related

developments are that after the initial seizure, she is VERY talkative, joking

and even silly (very unlike her).  I suspect that this is some kind of

manifestation of phlegm in the Heart Channel.  And unfortunately, today, a day

and a half after the initial seizure, she had 3 post-ictal grand mal seizures,

in the process spitting out a large quantity of the thick clear " fluid "

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, G Hudson <ozark.canuck wrote:

 

G Hudson <ozark.canuck

Re: update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and

function

 

Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yehuda -

FWIW, Phlegm gets better with a bowel movement. I have a patient with

Phlegm, m/c is spells of extreme drowsiness (somnolence) . When she

has a bowel movement her energy comes right back. I though it was

very strange, but it was right there in Maclean's handbook under

somnolence. I knew I kept all these books around for something...

 

Godspeed

Geoff

 

, yehuda frischman

<@.. .> wrote:

>

.... She also didn't have a bowel movement for a day.   Here is her

most recent modified formula, which she began Sunday morning:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

 

have you used any ghost points on her?

 

David Appleton L.Ac.

 

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, wrote:

 

Re: Re: update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and

function

 

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 3:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I absolutely agree, as that has been our experience. But yesterday

she did make a bowel movement that was soft, large and well formed.  Two other

related developments are that after the initial seizure, she is VERY talkative,

joking and even silly (very unlike her).  I suspect that this is some kind of

manifestation of phlegm in the Heart Channel.  And unfortunately, today, a day

and a half after the initial seizure, she had 3 post-ictal grand mal seizures,

in the process spitting out a large quantity of the thick clear " fluid "

 

 

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, G Hudson <ozark.canuck@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

G Hudson <ozark.canuck@ gmail.com>

 

Re: update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and

function

 

 

 

Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:39 PM

 

 

 

Yehuda -

 

FWIW, Phlegm gets better with a bowel movement. I have a patient with

 

Phlegm, m/c is spells of extreme drowsiness (somnolence) . When she

 

has a bowel movement her energy comes right back. I though it was

 

very strange, but it was right there in Maclean's handbook under

 

somnolence. I knew I kept all these books around for something...

 

 

 

Godspeed

 

Geoff

 

 

 

, yehuda frischman

 

<@.. .> wrote:

 

>

 

.... She also didn't have a bowel movement for a day.   Here is her

 

most recent modified formula, which she began Sunday morning:

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi David,

 

Though I try to view acupuncture differently than I view herbs,  (let me explain

what I am talking about:  In school, our TCM professors would always try to

equate points with formulas and herbs, eg. four gates with Xiao Yao san.   But

the more I study and think about it, I find this to be oversimplification and

reductionism).  Though there can be parallels, it isn't always necessarily so.)

I approach Sun Si Miao's ghost points with the same trepidation that I

view pungent foods and herbs.  I would conjecture (though I have not studied

them in depth) that they would be indicated in cases of Shen disturbance, and

phlegm which treat repletion rather than vacuity.  As I may have mentioned

before, what started Chana's chin shaking was needling Du26.

 

Respectfully,  

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, david appleton <acuapple wrote:

 

david appleton <acuapple

Re: Re: update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and

function

 

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yehuda,

 

have you used any ghost points on her?

 

David Appleton L.Ac.

 

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, > wrote:

>

Re: Re: update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and

function

 

Thursday, September 4, 2008, 3:06 AM

 

I absolutely agree, as that has been our experience. But yesterday she did make

a bowel movement that was soft, large and well formed.  Two other related

developments are that after the initial seizure, she is VERY talkative, joking

and even silly (very unlike her).  I suspect that this is some kind of

manifestation of phlegm in the Heart Channel.  And unfortunately, today, a day

and a half after the initial seizure, she had 3 post-ictal grand mal seizures,

in the process spitting out a large quantity of the thick clear " fluid "

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, G Hudson <ozark.canuck@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

G Hudson <ozark.canuck@ gmail.com>

 

Re: update on my wife, and an observation about Tai Yang and

function

 

 

 

Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:39 PM

 

Yehuda -

 

FWIW, Phlegm gets better with a bowel movement. I have a patient with

 

Phlegm, m/c is spells of extreme drowsiness (somnolence) . When she

 

has a bowel movement her energy comes right back. I though it was

 

very strange, but it was right there in Maclean's handbook under

 

somnolence. I knew I kept all these books around for something...

 

Godspeed

 

Geoff

 

, yehuda frischman

 

<@.. .> wrote:

 

>

 

.... She also didn't have a bowel movement for a day.   Here is her

 

most recent modified formula, which she began Sunday morning:

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, wrote:

 

> Hi David,

>

> [content edited...] As I may have mentioned before, what started Chana's

> chin shaking was needling Du26.

>

 

Yehunda,

 

I have been following this discussion with much interest and admire your

dedication. The above statement, however, caused me great pause and although

I don't post very often I was compelled to do so.

 

Do you *really* believe that needling Du26 caused the chin shaking?

Acupuncture is a powerful medicine, but I feel that is giving way too much

" power " to acupuncture. I do not believe that acupuncture can " cause " a

severe, debilitating, chronic long-standing symptom. Yes, of course,

sensations can occur in the body as a result of acupuncture and are usually

a sign that additional channels/points are needed to balance the treatment

and any such presentation should resolve as you continue to work the

channels.

 

But there is, in my opinion, no such thing as being able to say, " make "

someone have a specific symptom or presentation as a result of acupuncture

that didn't already exist in the body (and I'm not talking about

negligence/organ puncture/improper needling/etc.). Herbs, of course, are a

different issue however even then any resulting adverse symptom should be

addressed/resolved by proper formula modification.

 

Making a statement such as needling a point actually caused a severe,

debilitating, long-standing symptom (outside of negligence) is a dangerous

(i.e., irresponsible) and, imho, erroneous statement. It is a cause/effect

statement that can not be proven nor do I feel it can be supported - not

even as conjecture.

 

Joy

 

________

Joy Keller, LAc, Dipl.OM

Board Certified in Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine

Ramona Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine Clinic

Phone: (760) 654-1040 Fax: (760) 654-4019

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