Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Hi Margie, Thank you for your concern and I really appreciate your sensitivity. I absolutely agree with what I sense is underlying your thought: Sometimes the best medicine is a tincture of time, and that more is definitely not better. Please understand, however, that what Chana suffers from is NOT a chronic degenerative disorder. (Years ago, MS, Parkinson's and other such diseases were ruled out, and 5 different MRI's as well as CT, PET and EEGs could not find foci of seizure activity). Rather it is a very complex functional syndrome of a woman who her whole life has been driven to do more than she is capable, and who hasn't learned to set boundaries for herself, to let go of control. The best way to describe the neurological aspect is to call it Sympathetic Hypertonicity. To use an analogy, it can be compared to a car thermostat that doesn't work, that doesn't regulate the engine's temperature and it burns itself out. Understand that there are deep emotional traumas going back decades, long before we met thirty years ago, which she carries inside. Margie, we have tried going on " herb and acupuncture vacations " and clearly, her situation became worse. Also, clearly, as I may have said, when the formula is right, and the acupuncture is right, her symptoms improve, she becomes MUCH calmer and MUCH more focused, the frown line on her forehead relaxes, and she smiles the most beautiful smile. . We walk around 3/4 mile nearly every day at a beautiful park close by our home, and Chana has a voracious appetite: she loves to eat, and eats a wonderful balanced diet of fish, chicken, and organic cooked vegetables and grains. Really, every system in her body works wonderfully, that is except for her nervous system. To use the cliche, " been there, done that " would be condescending, invalidating, and unappreciative, but by the same token, I believe that with my very strong willed, very complex, and very beautiful (inside and out) wife the approach that we are taking is slowly working. Though it has been suggested in the past by very sincere friends and professionals that perhaps I am imposing my will on her and stifling her independence, I can assure you (as will other family members and caregivers that know the situation intimately) that I am not. Some contend that she needs more stimulation, interaction with people and artistic expression. And before she became sick, BTW, she had a successful career in opera and musical theater with starring roles in many productions. But, Margie, Chana is tired. When she exerts herself more, she spasms more, and the seizures occur more frequently. She needs nurturing, stroking (physically and emotionally). She is raw, exhausted, it is difficult for her to move by herself, and stimulation is precisely the wrong thing. At least now. I hope that I have given you very important additional facets to my precious diamond, and you understand better where I am coming from and why I do what I do. Respectfully, --- On Tue, 8/26/08, margi.macdonald <margi.macdonald wrote: margi.macdonald <margi.macdonald Re: an observation concerning phlegm vs. pathogenic fluids Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 5:00 PM Greetings from Brisbane, Australia. I'm Margi Macdonald, a new member - have followed the many threads here for the past week, and am thankful to be a part of this forum. Yehuda, Chana's story has struck a chord, and I'm moved to hop in and make a contribution. In another - timely - thread Emmanuel Segmen wrote: " First, do nothing exogenous. " Rest. Then adjust the basics of lifestyle: diet, sleep, exercise. Then add practices: like tai ji or just a walk in the park. Only after that if balance is not achieved, try exogenous means: add medicine. " I'm wondering if at this stage, it's appropriate for a time, to cease all interventions, and simply observe Chana. It's evident that Chana's patterns of disharmony have evolved markedly, and that there is now extreme exhaustion. Being ill is debilitating, receiving constant treatment can also be exhausting. Many years ago, as an RN, I regularly observed a WSM physician cease poly-pharmaceutical interventions in people with complex and protracted disorders. He would then wait, and observe, and eventually recommence treatment, but with very few pharmaceuticals. It was easier for everyone to manage his simple, rather than complicated protocols. I like that 'non-treatment' can for a time, be just as powerful as 'treatment'. My practice interest is oncology, and if there's one thing I've learnt along the way, it's that I need to discern when to treat, and when not to. If Chana requests to continue treatment, I might by now - for a little while - choose the simplest path possible, and focus only on the Kidney - its Yin, Yang, Qi, and Jing. No herbs, no needles, just a little moxa to tonify. Nourishing Ki Yin will also support the Liver and Heart, boosting Ki Yang will support all Zang-fu involved in fluid transport, transformation, dispersion and descent. Nourishing Ki Qi will boost Blood and Qi production, taking care of Jing will nourish Chana's brain/CNS. My TCM herbs professor came from a lineage of 'Spleen protectors'. She would always remind us to support the Spleen - in all conditions - and keep the centre strong. My keep-it-simple- response for Chana would be no herbs for now, but a diet full of Spleen/Stomach- friendly foods. I can't imagine what this has been like for you - Yehuda and Chana. Thank-you for sharing your story with us. Kind regards, Margi Macdonald www.luminahealth. com.au info (AT) luminahealth (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Ahhh Yehuda yes... there is always room for love in this work! Margi Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Hi Margie, > > Thank you for your concern and I really appreciate your sensitivity. I absolutely agree with what I sense is underlying your thought: Sometimes the best medicine is a tincture of time, and that more is definitely not better. Please understand, however, that what Chana suffers from is NOT a chronic degenerative disorder. (Years ago, MS, Parkinson's and other such diseases were ruled out, and 5 different MRI's as well as CT, PET and EEGs could not find foci of seizure activity). Rather it is a very complex functional syndrome of a woman who her whole life has been driven to do more than she is capable, and who hasn't learned to set boundaries for herself, to let go of control. The best way to describe the neurological aspect is to call it Sympathetic Hypertonicity. To use an analogy, it can be compared to a car thermostat that doesn't work, that doesn't regulate the engine's temperature and it burns itself out. Understand that > there are deep emotional traumas going back decades, long before we met thirty years ago, which she carries inside. > > Margie, we have tried going on " herb and acupuncture vacations " and clearly, her situation became worse. Also, clearly, as I may have said, when the formula is right, and the acupuncture is right, her symptoms improve, she becomes MUCH calmer and MUCH more focused, the frown line on her forehead relaxes, and she smiles the most beautiful smile. . > > We walk around 3/4 mile nearly every day at a beautiful park close by our home, and Chana has a voracious appetite: she loves to eat, and eats a wonderful balanced diet of fish, chicken, and organic cooked vegetables and grains. Really, every system in her body works wonderfully, that is except for her nervous system. > > To use the cliche, " been there, done that " would be condescending, invalidating, and unappreciative, but by the same token, I believe that with my very strong willed, very complex, and very beautiful (inside and out) wife the approach that we are taking is slowly working. Though it has been suggested in the past by very sincere friends and professionals that perhaps I am imposing my will on her and stifling her independence, I can assure you (as will other family members and caregivers that know the situation intimately) that I am not. Some contend that she needs more stimulation, interaction with people and artistic expression. And before she became sick, BTW, she had a successful career in opera and musical theater with starring roles in many productions. But, Margie, Chana is tired. When she exerts herself more, she spasms more, and the seizures occur more frequently. She needs nurturing, stroking (physically and > emotionally). She is raw, exhausted, it is difficult for her to move by herself, and stimulation is precisely the wrong thing. At least now. I hope that I have given you very important additional facets to my precious diamond, and you understand better where I am coming from and why I do what I do. > > Respectfully, > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/26/08, margi.macdonald <margi.macdonald wrote: > > margi.macdonald <margi.macdonald > Re: an observation concerning phlegm vs. pathogenic fluids > Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 5:00 PM Greetings from Brisbane, Australia. > > I'm Margi Macdonald, a new member - have followed the many threads here > for the past week, and am thankful to be a part of this forum. > > Yehuda, Chana's story has struck a chord, and I'm moved to hop in and > make a contribution. > > In another - timely - thread Emmanuel Segmen wrote: > > " First, do nothing exogenous. " Rest. Then adjust the basics of > lifestyle: diet, sleep, exercise. Then add practices: like tai ji or > just a walk in the park. Only after that if balance is not achieved, > try exogenous means: add medicine. " > > I'm wondering if at this stage, it's appropriate for a time, to cease > all interventions, and simply observe Chana. It's evident that Chana's > patterns of disharmony have evolved markedly, and that there is now > extreme exhaustion. Being ill is debilitating, receiving constant > treatment can also be exhausting. > > Many years ago, as an RN, I regularly observed a WSM physician cease > poly-pharmaceutical interventions in people with complex and protracted > disorders. He would then wait, and observe, and eventually recommence > treatment, but with very few pharmaceuticals. It was easier for > everyone to manage his simple, rather than complicated protocols. > > I like that 'non-treatment' can for a time, be just as powerful > as 'treatment'. My practice interest is oncology, and if there's one > thing I've learnt along the way, it's that I need to discern when to > treat, and when not to. > > If Chana requests to continue treatment, I might by now - for a little > while - choose the simplest path possible, and focus only on the > Kidney - its Yin, Yang, Qi, and Jing. No herbs, no needles, just a > little moxa to tonify. Nourishing Ki Yin will also support the Liver > and Heart, boosting Ki Yang will support all Zang-fu involved in fluid > transport, transformation, dispersion and descent. Nourishing Ki Qi > will boost Blood and Qi production, taking care of Jing will nourish > Chana's brain/CNS. > > My TCM herbs professor came from a lineage of 'Spleen protectors'. She > would always remind us to support the Spleen - in all conditions - and > keep the centre strong. My keep-it-simple- response for Chana would be > no herbs for now, but a diet full of Spleen/Stomach- friendly foods. > > I can't imagine what this has been like for you - Yehuda and Chana. > Thank-you for sharing your story with us. > > Kind regards, > Margi Macdonald > > www.luminahealth. com.au > info (AT) luminahealth (DOT) com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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