Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Karen: Yes, trigger point acupuncture can be miraculous sometimes. I have had patients literally crawl into my office with acute back pain and spasm, and walk out upright. I happen to be a very results-oriented practitioner and love the immediacy of the results. I find no conflict with the TCM paradigm because I tend to do more meridian acupuncture than anything else. To my way of thinking you are treating more the " branch " here. Personally, I have no problem being a " pain doctor " because one can make a fine living at that, especially in treating a condition that is often undetectable by imaging methods, or that continues to plague the patient despite muscle relaxers, PT, chiro adjustments, and supplements. Give the patient relief first, and then pay attention to underlying deficiencies that may be contributing to the problem. Get them out of pain and they will come back........and send their friends. I have been studying with Matt Callison for quite some time. Matt is a tremendous teacher who teaches motor point/trigger point acupuncture around the country.......even occasionally in Boston at NESA. Check out his seminar schedule and his materials at: www.acusporthealth.com Kay King, DC, MS, LAc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hi Karen, Trigger points are what we can " ah-shi " points in TCM. Remember the saying - " where there's pain, there's blockage " and when it is unblocked there will be no pain. Blockage in and of itself is an excess condition. However, the underlying reason for the blockage can be due to deficiency or excess. Some of the underlying factors -- Qi deficiency Blood deficiency Yin deficiency Yang deficiency Phlegm/damp stagnation. Wind-cold, Wind-heat, Wind-damp, or some combo, etc... You get the idea. So TCM's true power lies in the differential diagnosis of the underlying constitution that lead to the pain and blockage. Needling the ah-shi point may given instant relieve, but as you already know, the condition usually will not be 100% resolved until the root is also addressed. Some practitioners never needle the ahshi, they only needle upstream or downstream and get excellent results. Others always needle the ahshi and claim equally excellent results. For me, I learned in school this way of thinking which I find helpful -- 1) acute phase is usually excess, hot, inflammed and quite irritated. So I do NOT needle locally when the area is already inflammed and angry looking. In this case, always needle distally. You want to bring the blood flow THROUGH the area, to decrease the inflammation. That's the thinking of bleeding jingwell points to release heat from channel, or bleeding UB40 for acute back pain. 2) subacute phase, can needle adjacently. (Or I might needle locally, but always combine with some distal points to make sure i do not re-inflame the area too much. This becomes more an art, usual needling technique and intuition to make sure you do not reinflame or re-traumatize the area.) 3) chronic phase, the injured/painful area is usually quite Qi & Blood deficiency. In western terms, you can say the tissue has suffered long-term oxygen deprivation due to prolonged blockage in circulation. So we should needle locally to bring nourishment TO the painful injured area. I, too, am a huge fan of Callison's HuaTuoJiaJi plus motor-point approach. Acupuncturists who collaborate with chiropractors, such as yourself, will have a very easy time explaining this to Chiros as it is exactly the way they approach things. Many chiros do ART or Myofascial Release to deal with the " branch " and then adjust the spinal segment associated with the myotome of the affected area, to bring better nourishment to the injured/painful tissue. In my own practice, I have weaved in Callison's approach of HuaTuo Jia Ji, plus motor point, plus using channel balancing technique. (the idea of distal, adjacent, vs. local treatment). I also select points to address the constitutional issues, such as dampness, or blood deficiency. In this way, I leverage the full offering of TCM in treating patient in a wholistic way. The brilliance and elegance of TCM never ceases to amaze me. And the results have been consistently good and long-lasting. Many of my patients come in after seeing chiros, ART, myofascial release practitioners and their progress has plateaued. Perhaps you have similar experience... Often in those cases, it's nolonger because of the trigger-point need to be released. It is the underlying consitution that needs to be addressed. So even as a pain or neuro-muscular specialist, it is important to understand how to address the root from TCM perspective, not just the branch. Hope this helps! ~edith -- Edith Chan, L.Ac. Doctoral Fellow Ph: 415.298.5324 www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Edith....... Elegant and succinct explanation! Thanks! And yes, John, I too am a fan of Alon's. Big fan! Some say that Matt learned much of what he knows from Alon. However, Matt makes this a fulltime business and teaches in various parts of the country, thus more people have access to his teachings than to Alon's. Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 A few comments re. the Trigger Points discussion: Thank you, V. Hobbs for the link to your excellent article at www.aaaomonline.info/qiunity/08/07/3b.html ( Interesting that you were trained by J.Skoin and W. Reeves, familiar names at CAC in the mid eighties, along with a DC LAc who brought his direct studies with Travell to two elective courses at the school.) The 1999 edition of Travell and Simmons TrP Manual (by far the most professional level books on the subject) was a substantial rewrite of the first volume, which had been published in 1983. Some definitions were added and modified, the neurophysiology was greatly elaborated on, and Perpetuating Factors were given greater emphasis. Some of my notes: Perpetuating Factors specific to Myofascial TrPs can be outlined as: a) mechanical / structural / postural - ( the biomechanics that DCs and PTs are typically much better trained in than ACs, but programs like NBAO help somewhat ) ( proper resolution of these issues also unfortunately tends to veer outside the curriculum of AC schools, IMO ) b) psychological c) metabolic and endocrine d) infections e) sleep and dietary inadaquacies History, Exam, and Lab are notably important in ascertaining status. ( The question remains if this needs to be by modern western med standards, but that would be my bias.) MYOFASCIAL TrPs are * (quote) to be distinguished from a cutaneous, ligamentous, periosteal, or any other nonmuscular trigger point (unquote) *, whereas sites of named or ahshi acupuncture points can include all of these locations. Pincer-style palpation is not (ever?) used to locate acupuncture points, but it is the only way to find many myofascial TrPs. The definition of referred TrP pain states * distribution rarely coincides entirely with the distribution of a peripheral nerve or dermatomal segment * I find it peculiar that in the long history of acupuncture development, no one ever PREVIOUSLY mapped out the referred pain patterns that have come to characterize Travell / Simmons work. Maybe someone has found greater correspondance, but I don't see much to directly match the channels of CM (including extra, divergent, and tendinomuscle). Anyway, it's a huge study to take on, and insurance coverage issues aside, I think anyone who really learns the material and the EXTENSIVE manual skills necessary to be effective, should be able to practice without concern for whether their nominal licensure is LAc, DC, PT, ( or Quack like me ! ) joe reid www.jreidomd.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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