which antioxidents

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Dear Bob,

 

What the study is suggesting is significantly elevated levels of  SOD and

Glutathione Peroxidase, and significantly lower levels of Malondialdihyde (MDA)

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <boblindeherbalist

wrote:

 

Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <boblindeherbalist

Re: Re: New file uploaded now ORAC

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:56 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ever wonder about the words tossed about by folks who market by the ORAC scale??

It measures " antioxident absorption " Of course like you said not measured in

live bodies...but I always ask " which antioxidents? " We are talking about a

long list...each with a different function. Also if it was all about ORAC scale

we should all be taking cinnamon...at the moment the highest rated on the list

(although I think clove or rosemary oil is even higher). Then there is how much

do we need...the general recommendation is under 3000....so is supersizing it

better.....should we drink as much ORAC rated stuff as we can.

I think I will stick with the idea that we are each unique and that we have an

amazing diagnostic system that allows us to recommend foods, herbs and other

things based on the individual, For that same price of some fancy imported fruit

juice what herbs, wholefood vitamins or supplements ect could I have given that

patient that would have targeted that individual. Now how is our credability

with that patient when it doesn't work or they have to keep buying it forever.

Have we taught them to stay in balance and maintain health through lifestyle?

Now we also have " healthy Chocolate " all my patients want it....and catsup is a

vegetable just ask Reagan.

I hate to be an ass, but people can be sheep, and sometimes take an easy path to

something that fills wants, despite logical reasoning. Or some folks just don't

know better...never having been taught to separate valid research from slick

advertising.

ok enough of my early morning ranting....I' ll climb off my soap box now and

crawl into my cave of lurking...

Bob

www.acuherbals. com

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

<johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: New file uploaded to Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine

 

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:46 PM

 

Ed,

 

There may be a loss of antioxidants etc. from the concentrated extracts,

since it was heated/ boiled down in the processing.

My guess is that there may be some vitamin loss as well, esp. Vit C which is

heat sensitive.

 

According to the studies out there, dried gou qi zi is one of the top 5 ORAC

(high antioxidant) scored foods,

but the problem is that the studies are always done by private companies and

the testing parameters are inconsistent.

 

The foods that are consistently score high on the ORAC scale are:

Concord Grapes

Wild Blueberries

Mangosteen

Acai

Raw Cacao (Dark Chocolate)

Gou qi zi

Cherries

Prunes

 

Put them all into a wine bottle; add white grape juice and charge $50; then

get your friends to sell it. (MonaVie)

K.

 

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Happy Herbalist <eddy@happyherbalis t

..com>wrote:

 

> K. very nice point.

>

> But wouldn't reconstituted juice from dried berries be

>

> very similar to the typical extract with the only

>

> difference the ratio (concentration) .

>

> Ed Kasper, LAc

>

> Santa Cruz, CA

>

> www.HappyHerbalist. com

>

> ............ ..

>

> These are interesting studies, which validate traditional science.

>

> But, what I'm interested in is the study that compares

> fresh squeezed gou qi zi fruit vs reconstituted juice from dried berries.

>

> These studies are a marketing tool for Gochi,

> because most of us have no access to fresh squeezed gou zi berries.

> In other words, we have to buy their product to get those results from the

> studies.

>

> For practitioners like you and me, we need studies based on the resources

> we

> have on hand,

> so that we can give these to our patients... studies about dried gou qi zi

> and extracts.

>

> Warm regards,

> K.

>

>