more comments from colleagues re: studies

[Guest guest]

Shoshi,

 

The letters I sent you were from professionals like myself.  Their concerns

represent my concerns, and my interest in validation. 

 

1. To be really considered seriously  by the scientific community studies should

certainly be for longer than two weeks and they should be conducted by objective

third parties who do not have a vested interest in their validation.

 

2.  It would be helpful to conduct studies comparing the efficacy of juice from

fresh Gou Qi ZI berries as opposed to reconstituted juice from dried berries.

 

Listen, Shoshi, I very much want to promote a product that will help my

patients, and that will offer qualities unavailable elsewhere.   I love the fact

that the juice is bottled in hard non-leaching space-age plastic,  and the offer

of the unconditional 90 day money back guarantee is an excellent selling

point.   But I don't approve of high pressure salesman who constantly interrupt

me (as the gentleman we spoke together with did), I don't approve of anecdotal

evidance without solid scientific backing (re- my two points above).  I am a

good listener, and if I believe in something I WILL PROMOTE IT!  But I haven't

been convinced yet.  My wife and I are using it and we will see how we feel. 

But you can't have it both ways:  You can't claim that something is just a food

without medicinal properties, and then charge an enormous price for it.  And you

can't claim that a food is a nutriceutical with specific medicinal properties

unless you

receive FDA approval (I refer to the FDA letter that I forwarded to you

yesterday.)  I am really open to selling and promoting, but I need my questions

addressed satisfactorily, and not with cop-outs and excuses.

 

respectfully,

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Green1459 <Green1459 wrote:

 

Green1459 <Green1459

Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

 

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

 

 

Hi Dr. Frischman,

 

We have the science.

 

Those are peoples opinions...we go by the facts..

 

The product call just changed to Dr. Amagasi and Rick Handel explaining the

GoChi.

 

Here it is:

 

1212-990-6430

 

All the best,

 

Shoshie

 

P.S.

 

What happened to the new enrolee from yesterday?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on

AOL Autos.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear colleagues,

 

Let me clarify the last post:  I was sent an email by the woman who introduced

" Go Chi " juice to me in response to concerns that some of you, I felt,

justifiably raised.  She answered that they had " science " on their side.  Thus

my response.

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't want to be too obvious but remember that where one person's

condition might mean Gou Qi Zi is a miracle cure, the next person's

condition might not work at all. Perhaps the first did get cured of

all their ills, it doesn't mean necessarily the 2nd will.

 

Doug

 

, yehuda frischman

< wrote:

>

> Shoshi,

>

> The letters I sent you were from professionals like myself. Their

concerns represent my concerns, and my interest in validation.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shoshi,

 

The letters I sent you were from professionals like myself.  Their concerns

represent my concerns, and my interest in validation. 

 

1. To be really considered seriously  by the scientific community studies should

certainly be for longer than two weeks and they should be conducted by objective

third parties who do not have a vested interest in their validation.

 

2.  It would be helpful to conduct studies comparing the efficacy of juice from

fresh Gou Qi ZI berries as opposed to reconstituted juice from dried berries.

 

Listen, Shoshi, I very much want to promote a product that will help my

patients, and that will offer qualities unavailable elsewhere.   I love the fact

that the juice is bottled in hard non-leaching space-age plastic,  and the offer

of the unconditional 90 day money back guarantee is an excellent selling

point.   But I don't approve of high pressure salesman who constantly interrupt

me (as the gentleman we spoke together with did), I don't approve of anecdotal

evidance without solid scientific backing (re- my two points above).  I am a

good listener, and if I believe in something I WILL PROMOTE IT!  But I haven't

been convinced yet.  My wife and I are using it and we will see how we feel. 

But you can't have it both ways:  You can't claim that something is just a food

without medicinal properties, and then charge an enormous price for it.  And you

can't claim that a food is a nutriceutical with specific medicinal properties

unless you

receive FDA approval (I refer to the FDA letter that I forwarded to you

yesterday.)  I am really open to selling and promoting, but I need my questions

addressed satisfactorily, and not with cop-outs and excuses.

 

respectfully,

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Green1459 <Green1459 wrote:

 

Green1459 <Green1459

Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

 

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

 

 

Hi Dr. Frischman,

 

We have the science.

 

Those are peoples opinions...we go by the facts..

 

The product call just changed to Dr. Amagasi and Rick Handel explaining the

GoChi.

 

Here it is:

 

1212-990-6430

 

All the best,

 

Shoshie

 

P.S.

 

What happened to the new enrolee from yesterday?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on

AOL Autos.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear colleagues,

 

Let me clarify the last post:  I was sent an email by the woman who introduced

" Go Chi " juice to me in response to concerns that some of you, I felt,

justifiably raised.  She answered that they had " science " on their side.  Thus

my response.

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't know about anyone else but I am constantly assaulted by folks pushing

the newest MLM fad. I have learned to quickly get rid of them by stateing " I

have two standards that I except....one thousand years of documented tradition

or double blind, placebo controled studies...if you can not show me one or the

other I won't talk with you " I have yet to have one show me the either

one.....lots of ancedotal crap.  I actual hope to teach a class on the ethics of

herbalism at a conference soon with this being one of the topics...our patients

trust us to offer them the best and learned product.

Be well,

Bob

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, wrote:

 

 

Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

Green1459

Cc: Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine , " TCM "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shoshi,

 

The letters I sent you were from professionals like myself.  Their concerns

represent my concerns, and my interest in validation. 

 

1. To be really considered seriously  by the scientific community studies should

certainly be for longer than two weeks and they should be conducted by objective

third parties who do not have a vested interest in their validation.

 

2.  It would be helpful to conduct studies comparing the efficacy of juice from

fresh Gou Qi ZI berries as opposed to reconstituted juice from dried berries.

 

Listen, Shoshi, I very much want to promote a product that will help my

patients, and that will offer qualities unavailable elsewhere.   I love the fact

that the juice is bottled in hard non-leaching space-age plastic,  and the offer

of the unconditional 90 day money back guarantee is an excellent selling

point.   But I don't approve of high pressure salesman who constantly interrupt

me (as the gentleman we spoke together with did), I don't approve of anecdotal

evidance without solid scientific backing (re- my two points above).  I am a

good listener, and if I believe in something I WILL PROMOTE IT!  But I haven't

been convinced yet.  My wife and I are using it and we will see how we feel. 

But you can't have it both ways:  You can't claim that something is just a food

without medicinal properties, and then charge an enormous price for it.  And you

can't claim that a food is a nutriceutical with specific medicinal properties

unless you

receive FDA approval (I refer to the FDA letter that I forwarded to you

yesterday.)  I am really open to selling and promoting, but I need my questions

addressed satisfactorily, and not with cop-outs and excuses.

 

respectfully,

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com <Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com <Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com>

Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

 

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

Hi Dr. Frischman,

 

We have the science.

 

Those are peoples opinions...we go by the facts..

 

The product call just changed to Dr. Amagasi and Rick Handel explaining the

GoChi.

 

Here it is:

 

1212-990-6430

 

All the best,

 

Shoshie

 

P.S.

 

What happened to the new enrolee from yesterday?

 

 

 

Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on

AOL Autos.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bob,

 

That's just the point I am trying to make--we do know that there are scores of

studies and thousands of years experience reflecting the track record of Gou Qi

Zi as enriching and supplementing  liver yin and blood, and kidney yin and jing.

Now these guys come along and say that they have a delivery system which allows

for greater immune function and antioxidants.  And they tell me that they have

in-vivo, randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled studies, to validate their

claim.  BTW, I just noticed that the two additional studies were actually for 30

days each, not just 14, like the first study published in JACM.  I want to

actually see the two studies, not just the summaries thereof that I uploaded. 

But, honestly, from what I am saying above, if the studies are authentic, what

can you find wrong with the presentation, sales and promotion of this product?

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <boblindeherbalist

wrote:

 

Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <boblindeherbalist

Re: Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 6:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about anyone else but I am constantly assaulted by folks pushing

the newest MLM fad. I have learned to quickly get rid of them by stateing " I

have two standards that I except....one thousand years of documented tradition

or double blind, placebo controled studies...if you can not show me one or the

other I won't talk with you " I have yet to have one show me the either

one.....lots of ancedotal crap.  I actual hope to teach a class on the ethics of

herbalism at a conference soon with this being one of the topics...our patients

trust us to offer them the best and learned product.

Be well,

Bob

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, > wrote:

 

>

Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com

Cc: Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " <traditional_

chinese_medicine >

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:54 PM

 

Shoshi,

 

The letters I sent you were from professionals like myself.  Their concerns

represent my concerns, and my interest in validation. 

 

1. To be really considered seriously  by the scientific community studies should

certainly be for longer than two weeks and they should be conducted by objective

third parties who do not have a vested interest in their validation.

 

2.  It would be helpful to conduct studies comparing the efficacy of juice from

fresh Gou Qi ZI berries as opposed to reconstituted juice from dried berries.

 

Listen, Shoshi, I very much want to promote a product that will help my

patients, and that will offer qualities unavailable elsewhere.   I love the fact

that the juice is bottled in hard non-leaching space-age plastic,  and the offer

of the unconditional 90 day money back guarantee is an excellent selling

point.   But I don't approve of high pressure salesman who constantly interrupt

me (as the gentleman we spoke together with did), I don't approve of anecdotal

evidance without solid scientific backing (re- my two points above).  I am a

good listener, and if I believe in something I WILL PROMOTE IT!  But I haven't

been convinced yet.  My wife and I are using it and we will see how we feel. 

But you can't have it both ways:  You can't claim that something is just a food

without medicinal properties, and then charge an enormous price for it.  And you

can't claim that a food is a nutriceutical with specific medicinal properties

unless you

receive FDA approval (I refer to the FDA letter that I forwarded to you

yesterday.)  I am really open to selling and promoting, but I need my questions

addressed satisfactorily, and not with cop-outs and excuses.

 

respectfully,

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com <Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com <Green1459 (AT) aol (DOT) com>

Re: more comments from colleagues re: studies

 

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:13 PM

 

Hi Dr. Frischman,

 

We have the science.

 

Those are peoples opinions...we go by the facts..

 

The product call just changed to Dr. Amagasi and Rick Handel explaining the

GoChi.

 

Here it is:

 

1212-990-6430

 

All the best,

 

Shoshie

 

P.S.

 

What happened to the new enrolee from yesterday?

 

 

 

Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on

AOL Autos.