Fundamentalism is evil

August 5, 2009

Fundamentalism, of ALL persuasions, is a great impediment to peaceful coexistence on earth.

This includes fundamentalist capitalism or communism, fundamentalist nationalism, fundamentalist racism, fundamentalist sexism, and fundamentalist superstition (religion).

Here is a 30 minute video on fundamentalist Islam, The Third Jihad http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-864522917532871834 & ei=Xv15SoTaKJLCwgOXubCGDw & q=the+third+jihad+movie

August 6, 2009

just want to tell you

MY GOD is NOT a fundamentalist superstition (religion).

August 6, 2009

How can you prove that?

Clare

Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:55 PM

just want to tell you

MY GOD is NOT a fundamentalist superstition (religion).

August 6, 2009

I don't have to prove anything I just believe and KNOW God is love.

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August 6, 2009

How can YOU prove you have a brain? You've never seen it. You take it on faith that you have one.

Hugh

Highland/CDL <highland Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:06:52 AMRe: Re: Fundamentalism is evil

How can you prove that?

Clare

Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:55 PM

just want to tell you

MY GOD is NOT a fundamentalist superstition (religion).

August 7, 2009

Psalms 83:18: That people may know that you,

whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

My husband, a minister has been teaching and

proving the Bible for 70 years including the

prophecies. You can go into any Christian Book

Store and get a chart which has secular history

and Biblical History and they match

identically. Join a neurosurgeon in surgery and

see the intricacy of the brain.

Darwin once said if the cell could be found to be

complex his whole theory would would

fall. Michael Denton in his book, showed the

cell to be as complex as a space ship. So

evolution by Darwin own words has no

validity. He even said to think the eye evolved is absurd.

If you don't believe God, I would hate to be in

your boots because Armageddon is not that far

away with the world as it is. " Unless these day

were cut short no flesh would survive " . Only the

wicked will be destroyed. " The wicked will sleep

a perpetual sleep and never awaken " . Jeremiah

Take your absurd ramblings somewhere else. If you some information its below.

Betty

Report: Emory University Symposium: Evolution Vs Creation by Don Martini

The Atlanta Journal carried the announcement Saturday, 9/9/06. The

release said We thought it would be nice to throw everybody together

in one room we want to frame the controversy Emory professors will

cover different topics in the ongoing debate. Scientists,

theologians, historians and legal experts will talk about their

areas, followed by discussion.

I enjoyed the remarks of Brooks Holifeld, Professor of Theology,

which carefully delineated the development of evolutionary philosophy

vs. belief in Biblical creation. The professor explained that

Christians have shown great respect for science and that it was

commonly understood in the past that the days of Creation were ages,

not 24 hours. From the floor I called attention to Hebrews chapters 3

& 4 showing the 7th day, Jehovah's rest, continued 41 centuries later

in Paul's time, so the days of Genesis 1 were ages. The half-mile

thick fossilized limestone deposits in southwest Texas, confirm the

Earth is old.

Well received was Barbara Forrest, sharp Louisiana housewife, a chief

witness against creation in Kansas and Pennsylvania. She got a great

laugh with a slide of Ann Coulter and her pretty legs.

She emphasized that Coulter put 4 chapters against evolution in her

book GODLESS. One got the impression that belief in Creation is a

heavily financed right-wing Republican conspiracy. Her map showed

both were Red states.

School boards in KS and PA ruled intelligent design must be offered

as alternate to evolution. They were overthrown when the boards

admitted God was the Creator, so creation violates the establishment

clause. which US courts have converted into a law against religion.

Actually the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion, not

freedom from religion. But evolution is a religion too, as Richard

Leakey admitted in ORIGINS page 84: We shall never truly know. We

can guess but even if our guesses were absolutely right, thee is no

one to say, yes you have the correct answer! Inescapably it is a

matter of faith, and this makes the whole problem more challenging

and more exciting. Amen! Lets all now go down to the anthropologists

tent for a revival!

Everybody in the room meant evolutionists. No debate, or scientific

objections to this rampant mythology, just elitist academians (by

their own confession) endlessly repeating their mantra: Evolution is

True Evolution is Science. When I play Tiger Woods Ill frame the

match, wont invite

him, just play by myself and declare a victory. The room reeked with

hubris. The 400 or so biologists, Darwinists and students were

cautioned to play nice with the other kids, don't use an insulting or

snide manner should they have to speak to s, idiots and dodos,

terms referenced to believers like Betty and me. Are the following

scientists in those categories?

LOUIS BOUNOURE President of the Biological Society of Strassbourg,: Strassbourg Zoological Museum, Director of the French

National Center of Scientific Research: Evolution is a fairy tale

for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of

science. It is useless.

Dr LYALL WATSON in Science Digest, May 82: Modern apes seem to have

sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record. And

the true origin of modern humans -of upright, naked, tool-making

big-brained humans -- is, if we are to be honest, an equally mysterious

matter.

Prof D M S WATSON, 20 year Chairman of the Department of Evolution at

Univ. of London Evolution itself is accepted by Zoologists, not

because it has been observed to occur or can be proven by logically

coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alterative,

special creation, is incredible. Watson spent his life teaching a

myth, an admitted lie.

Sir ARTHUR KEITH, President, Royal Anthropological

Institute. Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe in it

because Creation is unthinkable. The German Fuhrer, as I have

consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously

sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of

evolution. Hitler's master race murdered Europe. Darwin taught only

the fittest survive and rightfully dominate and destroy the weak. In

which case his disciple, Adolph Hitler, acted with moral

purity. Quote from Keith's Evolution & Ethics, 1947

Dr. WERNHER von BRAUN: As I became exposed to the law and order of

the universe, I was literally humbled by its unerring perfection. I

became convinced that there must be a divine intent behind it all My

experiences with science led me to God. They challenge science to

prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the

sun?

Sir ISAAC NEWTON: Who in his 20s conceived calculus, perhaps the

greatest theoretical achievement in history, was also wise enough to

love God. He said I must confess to a feeling of profound humility in

the presence of a universe which transcends us at almost every point.

I feel like a child who while playing by the seashore has found a few

bright colored shells and a few pebbles while the whole vast ocean of

truth stretches out almost untouched and unruffled before my eager fingers.

ALDOUS HUXLEY in June1966 issue of REPORT, Professions of a Confessed

Atheist: I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning:

consequently assumed that it had none and was able without any

difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption For myself,

as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of

meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The

liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain

political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of

morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our

sexual freedom. (I wont go into that)

Dr. MICHAEL DENTON, Microbiologist, in EVOLUTION A THEORY IN CRISIS,

conclusion: The influence of evolutionary theory on fields far

removed from biology is one of the most spectacular examples in

history of how a highly speculative idea for which there is really no

hard scientific evidence can come to fashion the thinking of a whole

society and dominate an age that it is neither fully plausible, nor

comprehensive, is deeply troubling. One might have expected that a

theory of such cardinal importance, a theory that literally change

the world, would have been something more than a myth.

I could fill several pages with such declarations by men of

science. I ask, if prominent experts in the field say its garbage,

shouldn't their arguments be heard, or should they be ignored and

suffocated? The dirty little secret is that multitudes of scientists

the universe is a work of art by a Divine Creator. I've been studying

the subject more than 50 years, have dozens of texts by evolutionist

imaginarians, so I prepared a flyer to hand out to attendees at the

symposium, herewith:

FLYER:

PROBLEMS with the Theory The wicked one according to his

superciliousness makes no search: All his thoughts are There is no

God Psalm 10:4 NEW WORLD TRANSLATION

1. They say its been going on for 4 billion years, but they date

the first appearance of multi-celled creatures, metazoa, at 543 MY

ago in the Cambrian era. Suddenly millions of fully formed fossils of

thousands of species are found without trace of ancestors! Who

filched the fossils? Wrote Darwin in Origin of the Species: If our

theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian

stratum was deposited long periods elapsed, and that during these

periods the world swarmed with living creatures. Here we encounter a

formidable objection To the question why we not find rich

fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods

prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no answer. 150 years later

this unanswerable objection remains prima facie evidence of divine creation.

2. Paleontology reveals great discontinuity. Species appear

abruptly, without ancestors, and end just as abruptly. Cyclic

extinctions destroyed millions of species which were immediately

followed by completely differentiate types. The doctrine requires the

opposite: continuity. Darwin confessed: Not one change of species

into another is on record we cannot prove that a single species has

been changed Life and Letters of Charles Darwin Vol 1 p 210

Admitted Nobel laureate, biologist & evolutionist Lecomte duNouy in

Human Destiny: Each group, order, or family seems to be born suddenly

and we hardly ever find the forms which link them to the preceding

strain. when we discover them they are already completely

differentiated. Not only do we find practically no transitional

forms, but in general it is impossible to connect a new group with an

ancient one.

3. Mutations, said to be the mechanism of evolution, are uniformly

destructive. To build a theory of progressive development on a

destructive process is trying to multiply by subtraction.

4. The remains of all pre-human ancestors would fit in a child's

coffin. They're apes!

5. The geologic column has never been found, exists nowhere on this

planet.

6. Evolutions great advantage: If our ancestors were animals, we

can act like beasts!

7. Now lets get religious, you know, believing in something you

can't see, like the Big Bang for instance. The mathematics of this

theory require 100 times more matter than the universe contains. The

Mystery of the Missing Mass! There is barely 1% percent of the mass

that the universe should contain according to the Big Bang theory

states The Universe Explained. This text continues: So many factors

had to be just right for life to come about, that it seems as though

the universe must have been created specifically for this

purpose. Now they tell us dark matter fills interstellar space,

strange material that doesn't absorb light. Many researchers say it

may not exist at all. The core problem is that nobody knows what

gravity is. Henry Holt & Co. New York 1994

8 And what have we learned from 50 years scanning the heavens with

antennas that monitor a million frequencies per second, listening for

some signal, some faint evidence of intelligent life in outer

space? Carl Sagan estimated billions and billions. His numbers were

high, says the 700 page Oxford University Press text The Anthropic

Cosmological Principle, by renowned cosmologists Barrow & Tipler:

There has developed a general consensus among evolutionists that the

evolution of intelligent life comparable to homo sapiens, is so

improbable that it is unlikely to have occurred on any other planet

in the entire visible universe If it couldn't happen anywhere else,

It couldn't happen here!

Darwinism is the universal acid that freed us from faith. Were

purposeless concoctions of impersonal forces in a meaningless

universe, naked apes. Morality is out, ME is in. Theres no such thing

as sin, and how happy this godless philosophy makes us! The fool has

said in his heart: there is no Jehovah. They have acted ruinously,

they have acted detestably. Psalm 14

LETS TALK A LITTLE SCIENCE!

PREBIOTIC SOUP For 50 years researches have performed experiments

passing high voltage sparks thru collections of gasses like the

atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn and drawing the reaction products

into a separate chamber away from the spark. Some amino acids

resulted, small structures of 10 to 27 atoms which link to build

proteins. Theory says radiation on earths early atmosphere made vast

quantities of amino acids which joined to make polypeptides &

proteins in pools on the shoulders of volcanoes at about 175

degrees. Zero proteins have resulted from these

experiments. Zero! [Harold C. Urey & Stanley Miller received the

Noble Prize for their experiments in 1952]

HOW proteins are made in the REAL WORLD, not in evolutionists

Imaginations: The designs for all living things are stored in the DNA

of each species. DNA resembles a spiral ladder with rungs of bases

connecting the rails. There are 4 kinds of bases, A, G, C and T in

DNA. The plans for the creature are called genes, from which we get

the word genetic. Each cell has a complete set of DNA instructions

for the ENTIRE body, all hereditary characteristics, color of eyes,

shape of teeth, etc. Every cell possesses more information than a

hundred Britannicas stored in a DNA strand six feet long, coiled into

the cell nucleus.

So miniaturized is this system that the DNA for all species that

ever lived on earth including bacteria, would easily fit in an

aspirin. A special enzyme (a protein) unzips a section of the DNA,

peels back one of the double strands. Messenger RNA [mRNA] conforms

to the exposed section to transcribe the DNA instructions. 3 DNA

rungs are used to select each of the 20 varieties of amino acids

which may be used to make the new protein. After absorbing the

instructions the mRNA detaches from the DNA which zips back together.

The mRNA exits the nucleus and moves to a ribosome in the cytoplasm

for protein synthesis. The required amino acids are brought to the

RNA template and link to it, forming a protein sequence. Special

protein adapters, enzymes, perform this linking process. There are 3

adapters for each of the 20 types of amino acids, 60 all told. The

completed new protein is unzipped from the mRNA. Fiat accompli! This

process takes place in seconds, millions of times a day in you. This

is a simplified outline of protein formation, one authority lists 19

separate steps and dozens of enzymes required for the process.

The critical question is: Source of information? Where did the

precise design for 30,000 proteins in you originate? And for tens of

millions of species which have lived on our planet? The notion this

perfection of precision came into being without design or designer,

is unproved conjecture without evidence, mythology!

2. CONSIDER THE EXPERIMENTS WITH METHANE & AMMONIA exposed to high

voltage sparks:

Theres no evidence Earth ever had such an atmosphere.

Zilch! Nihil! Zero! Amino acids and peptides [linked amino

acids] and proteins [large biological polypeptides] aren't alive,

just components of living cells. They have the relationship to a

living cell that a rivet has to a 747.

3. Amino acids are less stable than most small molecules. If

they remain in the reaction zone the spark decomposes them quickly,

so in the experiments they were isolated from the energy source. Not

so in reality. The thermodynamic point of equilibrium prevents accumulation.

4. Per the theory Earths early atmosphere contained no

oxygen/ozone to filter ultraviolet rays. UV destroys amino acids.

Said M G Rutten in The Origin of Life: One of the many paradoxes in

the early history of life is the fact that the same rays of the sun

which formed the building blocks of the molecules of life were lethal for

life.

5. Methane and ammonia are poisonous. No one has explained how

this imagined methane/ ammonia atmosphere converts to

nitrogen/oxygen. It had to be instantaneous, for as soon as life

started the gasses would kill it, and if oxygen arrived too soon the

protinoids & amino acids would be oxidized, destroyed.

6 DNA & RNA and dozens of enzymes are necessary for protein

replication. Amino acids in an evaporation pond would destroy the

bases necessary for DNA & RNA. Theres no generally accepted model for

the spontaneous synthesis of DNA & RNA. Chemicals essential to the

process, aldehydes and hydrogen cyanide, would evaporate too.

7 When amino acids bond to form peptides and proteins the linkage

involves the loss of two hydrogen atoms from the amino, NH3, site and

an atom of oxygen from the carboxyl [CO2] site of the adjacent amino

acid and a molecule of water is formed as a by-product. Its a

DEHYDRATION PROCESS! Linked amino acids, peptides, cannot

accumulate in the sea since theyre formed by dehydration and dissolve

when hydrolyzed. This also eliminates sub-sea hydrothermal vents as

evolutionary kickstarters.

8. But suppose a smart scientist goes into a lab, puts the gasses

in the bottle, and 30 minutes later has a frog: What happened? He

proved that Intelligence created life: GOD!

EVOLUTIONS FRUITS Christ said: By their fruits you will recognize

them every good tree produces good fruit, but every rotten tree

produces worthless fruit. Evolutionism degrades us, eradicates our

dignity. Were animals competing in the struggle for life; likely to

work our own extinction, now popularized. Films, the art of our time,

measure our culture. Count the depraved, pessimistic, corrupt movies

teaching treachery, despair and moral bottomlessness, promoting a

bitter, loveless, wanton world gone wild, marching to oblivion.

Deep in the soil of elitist academia grows a Hitlerian view of malice

toward all, charity toward none, smiling on any scheme that kills

people, eliminates useless eaters, human bacteria, (Im using their

terms) Forrest Mims III, Chairman of he Environmental Science Section

of the Texas Academy of Science gives this report of a madman being

honored for plotting genocide.

I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy

of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech

that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of ninety percent of

Earths population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr.

Eric R. Pianka, University of Texas lizard expert named by the

Academy The 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist. Without presenting

any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible

solution to saving Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of

the present number. After praising the Ebola virus for its

efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked

at us and carefully said, We've got airborne 90% mortality in

humans. Killing humans. Think about that. Professor Pianka was

deadly serious. He speaks for a swelling contingent of misanthropic

intellectuals. Mims, author of 60 books on electricity, walked out

of the awards ceremony in protest. See his online report: Meeting Dr. Doom.

NEWSWEEK reported Princeton Bioethetics Professor Peter Singer: Who

doesn't deny that killing a fetus involves killing life. But he says

some infanticide is not even as important as, say, killing a happy

cat. During a Senate debate on partial-birth abortion two pro-choice

senators were asked: Suppose the baby slips all the way out before

the doctor can kill it. Then does it have the right to life? Both

senators said no, it was still the mothers choice. Singer said

briskly, They're right 9/13/99

Behold the ultimate insane atrocity, humanity's extermination,

proclaimed by celebrated sages. Singer wants a UN Declaration of

Great Apes, awarding personhood to non-humans, and argues theres no

sanctity or primacy to human life, were merely animals. Many think

Singer is an important philosopher, in demand as a lecturer and

respected. Naturally hes an evolutionist. Saner authorities call

Singer Professor Death, the most dangerous man on the planet. Hes an

Australian Jew whose parents fled Germany to escape extinction. Three

of his grand-parents died in concentration camps, yet one of Singers

books is called the Mien Kampf of the euthanasia movement. He wants

parents to have 30 days after a baby's birth to decide whether to

keep it or kill it. Bioethics! Princeton President Harold Shapiro,

who hired Singer, is also Jewish. Have these deluded men no memory?

Human sacrifice, once the barbaric practice of savage tribes, is

advocated by these monsters on the industrial scale of the Charlton

Heston movie Soylent Green. In the worlds chambers of power and money

enlightened thoughtful men, persuaded most of mankind must perish,

ponder efficient methods of extermination. Rosemary Radford Ruether,

eco-feminist theologian, whatever that is, calls us parasites on the

food chain of life and claims, we need to seek the most

compassionate way of weeding out people.

Suppose you're a bright young Texan named Vader, disciple of Pianka

the Terminator, You get your biochemistry degree and soon concoct the

Doom Formula, the perfect terminator toxin, irreversible,

instantaneous, impossible to detect and cheap as rain. As you gaze at

a flask of the vaporing liquid, you think what to do with it? As an

apostle of Pianka and Ruether aren't you obligated to apply it to

useless eaters, human bacteria, mankind? Do you have a choice? Save

the Earth by destroying humanity! Be assured the halls of academia

are stuffed with lunatics convinced genocide is its own

justification. The kamikaze ethic survives; in the Mideast, in Texas,

at Princeton, everywhere.

Contrast this grim view with the Lords prayer: Thy kingdom come, thy

will be done on EARTH as it is in heaven. Jesus promised: The meek

will inherit the earth. The gospels were inscribed with the blood of

the human secretaries Jehovah employed to write them, they died for

their witness. This is a powerful evidence of scriptural truth. Would

you make up a lie, then die for it? Nor did they! It may not be

fashionable to construct ones life by Christian principles, but no

one ever came up with a better way to live than the 10 commandments,

distilled in the New Testament into this remarkable injunction: For

the entire Law stands fulfilled in one saying, namely: You must love

your neighbor as yourself (Galatians 5:14)

Isaac Asimov said our brains are equal to the needs of a thousand

lifetimes. Jehovah gave us this enormous mental capacity to, like

Isaac Newton: Think Gods thoughts after Him. Ill welcome the

opportunity to show how the Bible agrees with actual science, and

help you get to know its Author better. He offers eternal life. Of

course theres no charge.

DON MARTINI 9270 RIVER CLUB PKWY DULUTH,

GA 30097 770 242-2599

<chemscience20004

Read:

NATURES DESTINY Michael Denton, Simon & Shuster Lucid, an

evolutionist, despite his facts.

EVOLUTION, A THEORY IN CRISIS Michael Denton, Adler & Adler

DARWINS BLACK BOX Michael Behe, Professor of Biochemistry, Lehigh

Univ. Simon & Shuster WHAT DARWIN DIDN'T

KNOW Geoffrey Simmons, M.D. Harvest House Publishers

INTELLIGENT DESIGN William A.

Demski, Intervarsity Press

ORIGIN of SPECIES REVISITED 2 terrific volumes W. R.

Bird Regency, Nashville

A nationally prominent Atlanta attorney calls Charles

Darwin to the witness stand

LIFE, HOW DID IT GET HERE, BY EVOLUTION OR BY CREATION? Jehovah's Witnesses

Send a small contribution for postage & Ill send you this

beautiful 256 pg color-illustrated book

At 06:32 PM 8/6/2009, Highland/CDL wrote:

>

>After death, a person is unable to know anything

>as they will not have a functioning brain. Like

>all mammals, they will simply cease to exist, as

>living, functioning entities. Of the countless

>millions that have died, none know anything now.

>

>To deny a god, we would first need to have a

>verifiable and provable definition of the god.

>It is probable that you deny all other god

>definitions, other than your own unverifiable one.

>

> " there are 19 major world religious groupings in

>the world which are subdivided into a total of

>about 10,000 distinct religions.....Within

>Christianity, they have identified 34,000

>separate groups (denominations, sects,

>individual unaffiliated churches, para-church

>groups, etc) in the world.

><http://www.religioustolerance.org/reltrue.htm>http://www.religioustolerance.or\

g/reltrue.htm

> "

>

>Of the millions of gods that have ever been

>proposed, all except the current few, have faded

>away due to lack of effort to maintain their

>fabrication. Of the current few, virtually no

>two believers can agree on all aspects of what

>constitutes a god, and are more than willing to

>kill each other, over their non-provable differences.

>

>I asked Clare to prove her claim. You, Hugh,

>chose to argue for your own unsupported opinions.

>

><hughman73Hugh Ramsdell

>Friday, August 07, 2009 1:47 AMgod

>

>To one so closed to the idea I decline to spend

>time " proving something " . You'll know the truth

>one second after you close your eyes for the

>last time. Trouble is, by then it will be too

>late to change your mind. Millions of people

>have died believing as you do and they all know

>the real truth now. Denying God is like denying

>gravity. This topic should be listed as OFF

>TOPIC and doesn't really belong here. I refuse to argue with you further.

>Hugh

>

>Highland/CDL <highland

>

>Thursday, August 6, 2009 5:40:17 AM

>Re: Re: Re: Fundamentalism is evil

>

>I am using my brain to honestly acknowledge,

>that there is NO verifiable evidence

>for....(insert your own (of billions of

>conflicting) definitions of what you mean by

>your god, even if you have to refer to parts of primitive myths to do so)

>

><hughman73Hugh Ramsdell

>Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:54 PM

>To:

>@

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>[Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: [Health_and_

>Healing] Fundamentalism is evil

>

>How can YOU prove you have a brain? You've never

>seen it. You take it on faith that you have one.

>Hugh

>

>Highland/CDL <<highlandhighland (AT) ihug (DOT) co.nz>

>To:

>

>Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:06:52 AM

>Re: Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Fundamentalism is evil

>

>How can you prove that?

>

><theclaremcharrisClare

>Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:55 PM

>

>just want to tell you

>MY GOD is NOT a fundamentalist superstition (religion).

>

August 7, 2009

It all comes down to TWO choices:1: you can live your life on this planet believing that there is a life hereafter, and bow to the particular sect you choose to belong to, pay your tithing and pray, pray a lot.

2. You can choose to live this life as if it is your last and and permanent, therefore, enjoying every sunset, every single sunrise, all your friends and good things around you, and don't think about or pay money for a life hereafter or live the guilt of trying to be a perfect member of some sect.

In choice number two, if you live a good life and are a happy person, how could any power punish you? So save your money, don't pay for some child raping ass hole to fill you with the fire and brimstone, life is fun and pleasant without them.

But whatever your choice, freedom to choose is the number one thing, leave me alone and I will let you alone.CraigOn Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. <bettym19 wrote: