Their economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal

[Guest guest]

I do not have Reefer madness, I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired. I think it stinks worse than cigarettes. Has anyone ever seen a bong what ever it is they call them??? I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in the bottom of it. It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it were cigarettes it even looked worse. Truly I refuse to believe that Mary Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes. Looks like some pretty bad stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called. I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends grand son has never held a job and he is 25. I have also seen this a lot. maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me. Listen I know people who would defend every bit of marijuana the take in, but quite frankly I do not believe it is healthy. sharon Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

[Guest guest]

Sharon:All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered out of the smoke by the water.MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot safer to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping themselves tolerant of the messed up world they live in.

It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested for prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the  brain alive. I have worked extensively in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that almost all of the most creative ads and beautiful work was done by copywriters and graphic artists who used MJ. It is not so different from Hemingway who wrote billiantly only when he was drinking.

The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns is the corporate prison system companies, while more than 60 percent of their prisoners are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ becomes more and more legal around the world, the prisons will empty.

If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use and don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.Craig  On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not have Reefer madness,  I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired.  I think it stinks worse than cigarettes.  Has anyone ever seen a bong what ever it is they call them???  I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in the bottom of it.  It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it were cigarettes it even looked worse.  Truly I refuse to believe that Mary Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes.  Looks like some pretty bad stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called.   I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends grand son has never held a job and he is 25.  I have also seen this a lot.  maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me.  Listen I know people who would defend every bit of  marijuana the take in, but quite frankly I do not believe it is healthy.  sharon

Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

 

 

-- CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence;

From dependency back again into bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

[Guest guest]

We have already condoned the use of other "recreational" drugs, We now have innumerable prescription drugs that are being used frivolously. And now we want MJ?

 

You want MJ to be legal? Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of many socieeties. MJ will be no different..

 

You want to use MJ? First read its numerous side effects then grow it at home and never leave your home under its influence. I won't complain about it.

 

Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your hormones and male breasts will enlarge from it.

 

You want medical MJ? Baloney! Those 'poor' people just want to die high.

 

The government will make money on MJ whether it is legal or not and they seem to be in favor of making money any way they can, while they thin the herd.

 

But this is just my opinion! --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:

Craig Rawlings <craigRe: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 11:36 PM

 

Sharon:All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered out of the smoke by the water.MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot safer to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping themselves tolerant of the messed up world they live in. It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested for prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the brain alive. I have worked extensively in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that almost all of the most creative ads and beautiful work was done by copywriters and graphic artists who used MJ. It is not so different from Hemingway who wrote billiantly only when he was drinking. The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns is the corporate prison system companies, while more than

60 percent of their prisoners are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ becomes more and more legal around the world, the prisons will empty. If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use and don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.Craig

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983 wrote:

 

 

 

 

I do not have Reefer madness, I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired.. I think it stinks worse than cigarettes. Has anyone ever seen a bong what ever it is they call them??? I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in the bottom of it. It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it were cigarettes it even looked worse. Truly I refuse to believe that Mary Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes. Looks like some pretty bad stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called. I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends grand son has never held a job and he is 25. I have also seen this a lot. maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me. Listen I know people who would defend every bit of marijuana the take in, but quite frankly I do

not believe it is healthy. sharon

 

 

Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

-- CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependency back again into bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

[Guest guest]

Tony:I appreciate your posts, mostly, even though sometimes it seems you just rehash from books. I also have always wondered if you were a dis-informationist, as you seem to follow the big pharma propaganda at times, and this time you followed it perfectly. I mean these statements ......Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows

accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your hormones

and male breasts will enlarge from it......... are right out of the DEA's propaganda manual. You swallowed it hook line and sinker OR you are one of them and on this list to pass disinformation. It is obvious you have not studied or read any of the science literature on MJ.

Clip.... You want MJ to be legal?Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of many socieeties....Tony, would you please give a few examples with names? CraigOn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have already condoned the use of other " recreational " drugs, We now have innumerable prescription drugs that are being used frivolously. And now we want MJ?

 

You want MJ to be legal? Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of many socieeties. MJ will be no different..

 

You want to use MJ? First read its numerous side effects then grow it at home and never leave your home under its influence. I won't complain about it.

 

Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your hormones and male breasts will enlarge from it.

 

You want medical MJ? Baloney! Those 'poor' people just want to die high.

 

The government will make money on MJ whether it is legal or not and they seem to be in favor of making money any way they can, while they thin the herd.

 

But this is just my opinion! --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:

Craig Rawlings <craigRe: " Their " economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal

Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 11:36 PM

 

Sharon:All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered out of the smoke by the water.MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot safer to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping themselves tolerant of the messed up world they live in.

It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested for prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the brain alive. I have worked extensively in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that almost all of the most creative ads and beautiful work was done by copywriters and graphic artists who used MJ. It is not so different from Hemingway who wrote billiantly only when he was drinking.

The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns is the corporate prison system companies, while more than

60 percent of their prisoners are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ becomes more and more legal around the world, the prisons will empty. If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use and don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.

Craig

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983 wrote:

 

 

 

 

I do not have Reefer madness, I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired.. I think it stinks worse than cigarettes. Has anyone ever seen a bong what ever it is they call them??? I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in the bottom of it. It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it were cigarettes it even looked worse. Truly I refuse to believe that Mary Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes. Looks like some pretty bad stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called. I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends grand son has never held a job and he is 25. I have also seen this a lot. maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me. Listen I know people who would defend every bit of marijuana the take in, but quite frankly I do

not believe it is healthy. sharon

 

 

Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

-- CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence; From dependency back again into bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

 

 

 

 

 

-- CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence;

From dependency back again into bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

[Guest guest]

I have multiple degrees in the sciences, am not pro-pharma in any way and have 30 experience i treating the after-effects of MJ and other legal drugs like tobacco, alcohol, prescription drugs etc

 

I am a semi-retired engineer and nutritionist and do not read the DEA manual because of its propaganda but for its possibilities "Know thine enemy"

 

I practice Orthomolecular Science where we use substances found in the body to heal the body. I have a great respect for all other healing sciences where they do not have a great potential for harm but use them to support otrhomolecular methods only.

 

Your opinion is obvious and so is mine. MJ is an herb just as peyote was. I just do not like it. Do as you like in private, do not inflict the rest of society while your mind is in an altered state. and I have no complaints.

 

Making MJ legal involves more government control and loss of our freedoms and I don't like it. All the chemicals found in MJ are not normal brain constituents and I cannot endorse their regular use. In some cases I might use MJ as a crutch to wean someone off a more dangerous drug but have had little success doing it. The government has legalized methdone to "wean" people off other drugs and makes them priosoners for life. This is just another legal drug that has had little success and continues to be used anyway

 

Sorry if I offend people but I have to call it as I see it. Why don't we put this to a vote?--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:

Craig Rawlings <craigRe: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 4:10 PM

 

Tony:I appreciate your posts, mostly, even though sometimes it seems you just rehash from books. I also have always wondered if you were a dis-informationist, as you seem to follow the big pharma propaganda at times, and this time you followed it perfectly. I mean these statements ......Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your hormones and male breasts will enlarge from it......... are right out of the DEA's propaganda manual. You swallowed it hook line and sinker OR you are one of them and on this list to pass disinformation. It is obvious you have not studied or read any of the science literature on MJ.Clip.... You want MJ to be legal?Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of many socieeties....Tony, would you please give a few examples with names? Craig

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have already condoned the use of other "recreational" drugs, We now have innumerable prescription drugs that are being used frivolously. And now we want MJ?

 

You want MJ to be legal? Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of many socieeties. MJ will be no different..

 

You want to use MJ? First read its numerous side effects then grow it at home and never leave your home under its influence. I won't complain about it.

 

Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your hormones and male breasts will enlarge from it.

 

You want medical MJ? Baloney! Those 'poor' people just want to die high.

 

The government will make money on MJ whether it is legal or not and they seem to be in favor of making money any way they can, while they thin the herd.

 

But this is just my opinion! --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:

Craig Rawlings <craigRe: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 11:36 PM

 

Sharon:All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered out of the smoke by the water.MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot safer to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping themselves tolerant of the messed up world they live in. It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested for prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the brain alive. I have worked extensively in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that almost all of the most creative ads and beautiful work was done by copywriters and graphic artists who used MJ. It is not so different from Hemingway who wrote billiantly only when he was drinking. The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns is the corporate prison system companies,

while more than 60 percent of their prisoners are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ becomes more and more legal around the world, the prisons will empty. If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use and don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.Craig

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983 wrote:

 

 

 

 

I do not have Reefer madness, I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired... I think it stinks worse than cigarettes. Has anyone ever seen a bong what ever it is they call them??? I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in the bottom of it. It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it were cigarettes it even looked worse. Truly I refuse to believe that Mary Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes. Looks like some pretty bad stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called. I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends grand son has never held a job and he is 25. I have also seen this a lot. maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me. Listen I know people who would defend every bit of marijuana the take in, but quite frankly I do

not believe it is healthy. sharon

 

 

Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

 

-- CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependency back again into bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

 

 

 

-- CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependency back again into bondage. --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

[Guest guest]



Gentlemen:

 

in reference to: Sorry if I offend people but I have to call it as I see it. Why don't we put this to a vote?

 

PLEASE ===== since when did a personal opinion necessitate a vote?

Arn't we all adults here? can we not simply agree to disagree? do our own research? come to our own (private) and sometime public conclusions?

 

I value both of you and your input. I take what you have said, and if I am interested in the subject I then go off and do my own reading.........

 

Lets keep it peace full thanks muchly.

 

Clare in Tasmania

 

[Guest guest]

, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart

wrote:

 

 

 

 

>

> All the chemicals found in MJ are not normal brain constituents

>

 

 

 

 

Actually, this is absolutely incorrect, Tony.

 

Do some research on cannabinoids; specifically endogenous cannabinoids,

cannabinoid receptors and the endocannabinoid system, all of which are

substances and organs produced in your very own brain that are directly related

to the constituents that comprise THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) the psychoactive

component in cannabis.

 

Cannabis is one of the most powerful plant medicines in the world and has a long

history of use in cultures all over the planet. It was commonly used

medicinally in the US up until the early 1940s when it was outlawed, and is

currently available by prescription in several countries outside the US.

 

Besides having powerful medicinal properties, cannabis aka hemp, has myriad

other uses. Its seeds are a highly nutritious food, rich in omega 3s. The oil

derived from the seeds can be used for biofuel, and the plant's strong fibers

can be used for many purposes, including animal fodder, paper, rope, fabric, and

biodegradable plastics.

 

Hemp grows quickly, requires little in the way of fertilizer, needs no

pesticides or herbicides, and generates a massive amount of usable biomass per

acre. It's one of the most stupendously renewable resources available on the

planet and was one of the first plants ever to be cultivated by people. It's

been used by human beings for a variety of purposes all over the world for

centuries - until that is, some rich influential bankster types, especially

including Randolph Hearst among others, conspired to outlaw it in the US in the

late 1930s by creating a smear campaign against hemp because the plant's

versatility and usefulness posed a prime threat to their profits from their

lumber industry.

 

Evidently the founding fathers, including Washington, Jefferson and Ben Franklin

all grew hemp, and it's said that Jefferson even drafted the Declaration of

Independence on paper made of hemp. The original Levi blue jeans were made of

hemp, and hemp fiber was used to make the sails and ropes that powered some of

the first ships that sailed the oceans.

 

Alcohol, tobacco, OTC and prescription pharmaceutical drugs, all of which are

legal, cause sickness and death in human beings by the millions. And yet how

many people ever got sick or died from pot?

 

There's plenty of information available about the many incredible virtues of

this amazing plant.

 

Do check it out.

 

 

Elan

[Guest guest]

There is a system in the brain for processing cannabinoids but there are no cannabinoids produced in the human body.. The body has pathways to process many drugs that have some benefit to a specific person under specific circumstances. That is not a reason to make them legal over-the-counter drugs.

 

Ask yourself one question, "Would you feel comfortable driving in heavy traffic at high speeds whith a person high on MJ at the wheel?" I tried driving once while mildly intoxicated via MJ and did not feel comfortable in my own skin. .I felt that I endangered all of those around me and never did it again. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, elan_spire <elan_spire wrote:

elan_spire <elan_spire Re: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:23 PM

, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart wrote:>> All the chemicals found in MJ are not normal brain constituents >Actually, this is absolutely incorrect, Tony.Do some research on cannabinoids; specifically endogenous cannabinoids, cannabinoid receptors and the endocannabinoid system, all of which are substances and organs produced in your very own brain that are directly related to the constituents that comprise THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) the psychoactive component in cannabis.Cannabis is one of the most powerful plant medicines in the world and has a long history of use in cultures all over the planet. It was commonly used medicinally in the US up until the

early 1940s when it was outlawed, and is currently available by prescription in several countries outside the US.Besides having powerful medicinal properties, cannabis aka hemp, has myriad other uses. Its seeds are a highly nutritious food, rich in omega 3s. The oil derived from the seeds can be used for biofuel, and the plant's strong fibers can be used for many purposes, including animal fodder, paper, rope, fabric, and biodegradable plastics. Hemp grows quickly, requires little in the way of fertilizer, needs no pesticides or herbicides, and generates a massive amount of usable biomass per acre. It's one of the most stupendously renewable resources available on the planet and was one of the first plants ever to be cultivated by people. It's been used by human beings for a variety of purposes all over the world for centuries - until that is, some rich influential bankster types, especially including

Randolph Hearst among others, conspired to outlaw it in the US in the late 1930s by creating a smear campaign against hemp because the plant's versatility and usefulness posed a prime threat to their profits from their lumber industry.Evidently the founding fathers, including Washington, Jefferson and Ben Franklin all grew hemp, and it's said that Jefferson even drafted the Declaration of Independence on paper made of hemp. The original Levi blue jeans were made of hemp, and hemp fiber was used to make the sails and ropes that powered some of the first ships that sailed the oceans. Alcohol, tobacco, OTC and prescription pharmaceutical drugs, all of which are legal, cause sickness and death in human beings by the millions. And yet how many people ever got sick or died from pot?There's plenty of information available about the many incredible virtues of this amazing plant. Do check it

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Thanks Clare for the reminder. I was just hoping for a way to put this subject to rest once more.--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Clare <theclaremcharris wrote:

Clare <theclaremcharrisRe: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 5:46 PM

 



Gentlemen:

 

in reference to: Sorry if I offend people but I have to call it as I see it. Why don't we put this to a vote?

 

PLEASE ===== since when did a personal opinion necessitate a vote?

Arn't we all adults here? can we not simply agree to disagree? do our own research? come to our own (private) and sometime public conclusions?

 

I value both of you and your input. I take what you have said, and if I am interested in the subject I then go off and do my own reading.........

 

Lets keep it peace full thanks muchly.

 

Clare in Tasmania

 

[Guest guest]

, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart

wrote:

 

 

>

> There is a system in the brain for processing cannabinoids but there are no

cannabinoids produced in the human body.

>

>

 

 

 

Evidently there are. They're produced by the brain in humans and other mammals

and are called endogenous cannabinoids, meaning cannabinoids that originate from

within the body.

 

 

endogenous

 

1. proceeding from within; derived internally.

2. Biology. growing or developing from within; originating within.

 

 

 

 

" Anandamide, also known as N-arachidonoylethanolamine or AEA, is an endogenous

cannabinoid neurotransmitter found in animal and human organs, especially in the

brain. "

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandamide

 

 

 

" Endogenous cannabinoids: metabolism and their role in reproduction. "

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12148689

 

 

 

" The endogenous cannabinoid, anandamide, induces cell death in colorectal

carcinoma cells "

 

 

http://gut.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/54/12/1741

[Guest guest]

 I hereby agree to be peaceful and respectful of everyone's viewpoint, and no personal attacks. I think this subject is very important and vital to health and needs to be discussed under regular debate rules. 

I understand Tony to be an intelligent and well read person, and I am sure he can defend himself and provide information so confidence can be had in his posts. My first question to Tony.....have 30 (yrs) experience i(n) treating the after-effects of MJ .....can you please give us a couple of case examples of your treating MJ patients, not those that also abused prescription, alcohol or other things. I am curious as I have never, and I really mean NEVER, seen a case of someone who solely uses MJ that needed recovery treatment.

  I am a semi-retired engineer and nutritionist and do not read the DEA manual because of its propaganda but for its possibilities  " Know thine enemy " This is what I learned forty years ago when I was in Army Intelligence. What is your background in counter-intelligence? Why would a semi-retired engineer need to read the DEA manual so you could know your enemy? I don't understand what you are getting at here.

 ......I practice Orthomolecular Science where we use substances found in the body to heal the body.  I have a great respect for all other healing sciences where they do not have a great potential for harm but use them to support otrhomolecular methods only..... 

I am sitting here next to my Alternative Doctor from Berlin who is visiting me for a couple of weeks, (he cured the pain in my lower abdomen, which I will make a new post about the experience) and we would both like to know more detail about your cell Science. Also, if you have a lot of knowledge about how the cells are used to get better health, then I am doubly surprised that you haven't read all the recent studies about how MJ is the best solution to prevent Alzheimer's. 

 ...Your opinion is obvious and so is mine.  MJ is an herb just as peyote was.....  This statement is another one that has me asking questions about you sending out mis-information. I know how the big Pharma companies use dis-information, (this is one of my specialties) and this statement is right out of their text book. It is called negative association. To take one thing that people are on the fence about, and tie it to something that everyone knows is really bad. You did the same thing with traffic accidents, and since everyone on this list hates big government, you even make the claim that MJ will just make the government get richer and have more control of us. This is the same tactic, association to something bad so we will all think MJ is bad because you have associated it with the big bad Government. 

I have to say that if the Gov could make more money and get more control of us by legalizing,MJ it would be fully legal already. The fact is MJ keeps people sane enough to be wary of big Gov, and if it is legal then everyone would grow a few plants and the trade would stop, and they would make NO money. 

So to dissect this...are you really saying MJ is similar to peyote? Of course not, you carefully just said it was a HERB like peyote, but the negative association is implied, this is one of the clever techniques.

 Making MJ legal involves more government control and loss of our freedoms and I don't like it.  Tell this to the few hundred thousand people who are locked up in prison because they grew a couple of pot plants. Like the 60 year old women in NM, who grew four plants along side here orchids to help relieve her pain, and then spent six years in jail. And you are saying legalizing is more loss of freedom?

......All the chemicals found in MJ are not normal brain constituents and I cannot endorse their regular use..... A few thousand Doctors can easily dispute this, including the one sitting next to me. 

 Sorry if I offend people but I have to call it as I see it. Why don't we put this to a vote?WRONG, it is not a matter of voting, it is a matter of getting educated and trading intelligent ideas. Elan's posts have been very helpful. There are thousands of posts debates on this issue all across the internet. I feel on this site we can get an update of current information. NOT disinformation.

Craig

[Guest guest]

I think we should try to clear the air a little here.

 

Marijuana is a natural weed, and is far less harmful when consumed than alcohol

or tobacco.

 

It was made illegal first in USA under extremely strange circumstances, firstly

by introducing the name marijuana, which no-one except Mexicans had heard of,

and then secondly by sliding the legislation through as part of a tax bill,

passed by a minimal congress after a midnight session.

 

The promoter of the bill, Andrew Melon, a banker, knew that hemp oil could be

used to fuel vehicles, and also knew that Henry Ford was planning for

hemp-fuelled engines on his production line. The promoter had recently opened

the world's first drive-in petrol station, and his co sponsor, the publisher of

Hearsts newspapers, who provided the false stories used as evidence, was also

glad to see the end of hemp paper, as he had just invested in numerous forests.

 

So the real reason why the marijuana legislation was, as is most legislation, to

do with the greed of a couple of elites, and in fact absolutely nothing at all

to do with the consumption of cannabis by humans.

 

Those who support keeping cannabis illegal also support the world's banking

fraternity, the oil industry, those who decimate out forests, and also restrict

peoples freedom.

 

If you don't want to use cannabis, that's your problem, and if I do want to use

it, that's my problem - but it has absolutely nothing to do with you, or any

lawmaker.

 

If we on this forum are unable to understand that this kind of restriction is

there for a reason, and, after the financial reasons, we discover that the next

reason is mood. The powers that be do not want people in a good mood, because

then they gain confidence, and begin to fight back against these restrictions,

and thus thwart efforts of the New World Order.

 

If you support the new world order, then continue to support marijuana

legislation.

 

Best regards

 

David

 

, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart

wrote:

>

> We have already condoned the use of other " recreational " drugs, We now have

innumerable prescription drugs that are being used frivolously. And now we want

MJ? 

>  

> You want MJ to be legal?  Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of many

socieeties.  MJ will be no different..

>  

> You want to use MJ?  First read its numerous side effects then grow it at

home and never leave your home under its influence.  I won't complain about it.

>  

> Keeps the brain alive?  Baloney!  Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows

accelerated rate of brain cell death.  It will also screw your hormones and

male breasts will enlarge from it.

>  

> You want medical MJ?  Baloney!  Those 'poor' people just want to die high.

>  

> The government will make money on MJ whether it is legal or not and they seem

to be in favor of making money any way they can, while they thin the herd.

>  

> But this is just my opinion! 

>

> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:

>

>

> Craig Rawlings <craig

> Re: " Their " economy depends on keeping

Marijuana illegal

>

> Sunday, July 19, 2009, 11:36 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

Sharon:

>

> All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered out

of the smoke by the water.

>

> MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot safer

to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping themselves tolerant

of the messed up world they live in.

>

> It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested for

prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the  brain alive. I have worked extensively

in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that almost all of the

most creative ads and beautiful work was done by copywriters and graphic artists

who used MJ. It is not so different from Hemingway who wrote billiantly only

when he was drinking.

>

> The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of

politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns is the

corporate prison system companies, while more than 60 percent of their prisoners

are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ becomes more and more

legal around the world, the prisons will empty.

>

> If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use and

don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.

>

> Craig 

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983 wrote:

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> I do not have Reefer madness,  I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I would

not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired.  I think it

stinks worse than cigarettes.  Has anyone ever seen a bong what ever it is they

call them???  I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in the bottom of it.  It

looked like it was just as contaminated as if it were cigarettes it even looked

worse.  Truly I refuse to believe that Mary Jane is any less treacherous than

cigarettes.  Looks like some pretty bad stuff in the bottom of that glass

receptacle or what ever it is called.   I know that it does not make everyone

workless, but I know that my friends grand son has never held a job and he is

25.  I have also seen this a lot.  maybe just my idea but it look like it is

for real to me.  Listen I know people who would defend every bit of 

marijuana the take in, but quite frankly I do not believe it is healthy. 

sharon

>

>

>

> Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

>

>

>

> --

> CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest civilizations

has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:

> From bondage to spiritual faith;

> From spiritual faith to great courage;

> From courage to liberty;

> From liberty to abundance;

> From abundance to selfishness;

> From selfishness to complacency;

> From complacency to apathy;

> From apathy to dependence;

> From dependency back again into bondage.

> --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

>

[Guest guest]

And regardless of prejudice it helps nausea and pain in cancer patients and

others - " high " maybe but pain and nausea free is the more valid reason for

prescribing it - and hemp paper and clothes are the best - especially the

paper which lasts longer than most papers.

 

Jane

 

 

-

" dgw7777777 " <dgwest7

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:14 AM

Re: " Their " economy depends on keeping

Marijuana illegal

 

 

I think we should try to clear the air a little here.

 

Marijuana is a natural weed, and is far less harmful when consumed than

alcohol or tobacco.

 

It was made illegal first in USA under extremely strange circumstances,

firstly by introducing the name marijuana, which no-one except Mexicans had

heard of, and then secondly by sliding the legislation through as part of a

tax bill, passed by a minimal congress after a midnight session.

 

The promoter of the bill, Andrew Melon, a banker, knew that hemp oil could

be used to fuel vehicles, and also knew that Henry Ford was planning for

hemp-fuelled engines on his production line. The promoter had recently

opened the world's first drive-in petrol station, and his co sponsor, the

publisher of Hearsts newspapers, who provided the false stories used as

evidence, was also glad to see the end of hemp paper, as he had just

invested in numerous forests.

 

So the real reason why the marijuana legislation was, as is most

legislation, to do with the greed of a couple of elites, and in fact

absolutely nothing at all to do with the consumption of cannabis by humans.

 

Those who support keeping cannabis illegal also support the world's banking

fraternity, the oil industry, those who decimate out forests, and also

restrict peoples freedom.

 

If you don't want to use cannabis, that's your problem, and if I do want to

use it, that's my problem - but it has absolutely nothing to do with you, or

any lawmaker.

 

If we on this forum are unable to understand that this kind of restriction

is there for a reason, and, after the financial reasons, we discover that

the next reason is mood. The powers that be do not want people in a good

mood, because then they gain confidence, and begin to fight back against

these restrictions, and thus thwart efforts of the New World Order.

 

If you support the new world order, then continue to support marijuana

legislation.

 

Best regards

 

David

 

, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart

wrote:

>

> We have already condoned the use of other " recreational " drugs, We now

> have innumerable prescription drugs that are being used frivolously. And

> now we want MJ?Â

> Â

> You want MJ to be legal? Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of

> many socieeties. MJ will be no different..

> Â

> You want to use MJ? First read its numerous side effects then grow it at

> home and never leave your home under its influence. I won't complain

> about it.

> Â

> Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows

> accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your hormones

> and male breasts will enlarge from it.

> Â

> You want medical MJ? Baloney! Those 'poor' people just want to die high.

> Â

> The government will make money on MJ whether it is legal or not and they

> seem to be in favor of making money any way they can, while they thin the

> herd.

> Â

> But this is just my opinion!Â

>

> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:

>

>

> Craig Rawlings <craig

> Re: " Their " economy depends on keeping

> Marijuana illegal

>

> Sunday, July 19, 2009, 11:36 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

Sharon:

>

> All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered

> out of the smoke by the water.

>

> MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot

> safer to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping

> themselves tolerant of the messed up world they live in.

>

> It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested

> for prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the brain alive. I have worked

> extensively in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that

> almost all of the most creative ads and beautiful work was done by

> copywriters and graphic artists who used MJ. It is not so different from

> Hemingway who wrote billiantly only when he was drinking.

>

> The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of

> politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns

> is the corporate prison system companies, while more than 60 percent of

> their prisoners are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ

> becomes more and more legal around the world, the prisons will empty.

>

> If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use

> and don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.

>

> CraigÂ

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983 wrote:

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

>

> I do not have Reefer madness, I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I

> would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired. I

> think it stinks worse than cigarettes. Has anyone ever seen a bong what

> ever it is they call them??? I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in

> the bottom of it. It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it

> were cigarettes it even looked worse. Truly I refuse to believe that Mary

> Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes. Looks like some pretty bad

> stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called. Â

> I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends

> grand son has never held a job and he is 25. I have also seen this a

> lot. maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me. Listen IÂ

> know people who would defend every bit of marijuana the take in, but

> quite frankly I do not believe it is healthy. sharon

>

>

>

> Can love help you live longer? Find out now.

>

>

>

> --

> CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The average age of the world's greatest

> civilizations has been two-hundred years. These nations have progressed

> through this sequence:

> From bondage to spiritual faith;

> From spiritual faith to great courage;

> From courage to liberty;

> From liberty to abundance;

> From abundance to selfishness;

> From selfishness to complacency;

> From complacency to apathy;

> From apathy to dependence;

> From dependency back again into bondage.

> --Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian

>

 

 

 

 

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I have just been going through all the mails on the subject. P want to add my two bit to it: When I was searching for home and herbal remedies for my husband's stroke. Hemp was what I came across. I just did not know where I would find it. Another time i was searching for Alzhiemer's and i came across a blog that said that her grandma was an alzhiemer's case and that her mother blew cannabis cigarrette smoke on the granny's face . She became absolutely normal from then and there.

The others were talking of its ills and some were calling it a miracle herb. I think any thing within limits is good for humans but when we overdo it even tea and coffee become addictive.

 

 

 

Jane MacRoss <highfield1 Sent: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 8:21:20 PMRe: Re: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegal

And regardless of prejudice it helps nausea and pain in cancer patients and others - "high" maybe but pain and nausea free is the more valid reason for prescribing it - and hemp paper and clothes are the best - especially the paper which lasts longer than most papers.Jane- "dgw7777777" <dgwest7 (AT) (DOT) co.uk><>Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:14 AM[Health_and_ Healing] Re: " Their" economy depends on keeping Marijuana illegalI think we should try to clear the air a little here.Marijuana is a natural weed, and is far less harmful when consumed than

alcohol or tobacco.It was made illegal first in USA under extremely strange circumstances, firstly by introducing the name marijuana, which no-one except Mexicans had heard of, and then secondly by sliding the legislation through as part of a tax bill, passed by a minimal congress after a midnight session.The promoter of the bill, Andrew Melon, a banker, knew that hemp oil could be used to fuel vehicles, and also knew that Henry Ford was planning for hemp-fuelled engines on his production line. The promoter had recently opened the world's first drive-in petrol station, and his co sponsor, the publisher of Hearsts newspapers, who provided the false stories used as evidence, was also glad to see the end of hemp paper, as he had just invested in numerous forests.So the real reason why the marijuana legislation was, as is most legislation, to do with the greed of a couple of elites, and in

fact absolutely nothing at all to do with the consumption of cannabis by humans.Those who support keeping cannabis illegal also support the world's banking fraternity, the oil industry, those who decimate out forests, and also restrict peoples freedom.If you don't want to use cannabis, that's your problem, and if I do want to use it, that's my problem - but it has absolutely nothing to do with you, or any lawmaker.If we on this forum are unable to understand that this kind of restriction is there for a reason, and, after the financial reasons, we discover that the next reason is mood. The powers that be do not want people in a good mood, because then they gain confidence, and begin to fight back against these restrictions, and thus thwart efforts of the New World Order.If you support the new world order, then continue to support marijuana legislation.Best

regardsDavid, Tony De Angelis <tntstuart@. ..> wrote:>> We have already condoned the use of other "recreational" drugs, We now > have innumerable prescription drugs that are being used frivolously. And > now we want MJ?Â> Â> You want MJ to be legal? Legal drugs have been used to the detriment of > many socieeties. MJ will be no different..> Â> You want to use MJ? First read its numerous side effects then grow it at > home and never leave your home under its influence. I won't complain > about it.> Â> Keeps the brain alive? Baloney! Heavy pot smoker's brain scans shows > accelerated rate of brain cell death. It will also screw your

hormones > and male breasts will enlarge from it.> Â> You want medical MJ? Baloney! Those 'poor' people just want to die high.> Â> The government will make money on MJ whether it is legal or not and they > seem to be in favor of making money any way they can, while they thin the > herd.> Â> But this is just my opinion!Â>> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Craig Rawlings <craig wrote:>>> Craig Rawlings <craig> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] " Their" economy depends on keeping > Marijuana illegal> > Sunday, July 19, 2009, 11:36

PM>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon:>> All the brown plaque in the bottom of the bong is the tar that is filtered > out of the smoke by the water.>> MJ is an appropriate herb and has many uses. Many people find it a lot > safer to use than the pharmaceutical anti-depressants in keeping > themselves tolerant of the messed up world they live in.>> It has been found in recent research that it is the best medicine tested > for prevention of Alzheimer's. It keeps the brain alive. I have worked > extensively in the creative world of advertising and I can tell you that > almost all of the most creative ads and beautiful work was done by > copywriters and graphic artists who used MJ. It is not so different from > Hemingway who wrote billiantly only when he was drinking.>>

The legal issue and keeping it illegal is only to line the pockets of > politicians. One of he biggest contributor groups to political campaigns > is the corporate prison system companies, while more than 60 percent of > their prisoners are victomless crimes of possessing a little MJ. As MJ > becomes more and more legal around the world, the prisons will empty.>> If it is not for you, don't use it.....but leave others alone that do use > and don't preach to them if you know nothing about it.>> CraigÂ>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, <kerley983@. ..> wrote:>>> Â>>>>> I do not have Reefer madness, I sure do not care who uses the stuff, I > would not use it I hate it, usually people who use it are very tired. I > think it stinks worse than cigarettes. Has anyone ever seen a bong what

> ever it is they call them??? I saw one and it had black crusti stuff in > the bottom of it. It looked like it was just as contaminated as if it > were cigarettes it even looked worse. Truly I refuse to believe that Mary > Jane is any less treacherous than cigarettes. Looks like some pretty bad > stuff in the bottom of that glass receptacle or what ever it is called.  > I know that it does not make everyone workless, but I know that my friends > grand son has never held a job and he is 25. I have also seen this a > lot. maybe just my idea but it look like it is for real to me. Listen I > know people who would defend every bit of marijuana the take in, but > quite frankly I do not believe it is healthy. sharon>>>> Can love help you live longer? Find out now.>>>> -- > CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION- The

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