Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 http://www.rense.com/general85/antart.htm Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away By Greg RobertsThe Australian4-21-9 Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / Reuters Ice expanding in much of Antarctica Eastern coast getting colder Western section remains a concern ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month. However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia. East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica. "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said. The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland. Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise. Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said. Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. "Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years." Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I really don't get it. Everyone knows that ice expands when it is in transition from extreme cold to warmth. --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: Jane MacRoss <highfield1 Antarctic Ice Is GROWING Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:52 AM http://www.rense. com/general85/ antart.htm Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away By Greg RobertsThe Australian4-21-9 Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / Reuters Ice expanding in much of Antarctica Eastern coast getting colder Western section remains a concern ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month. However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia. East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica. "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said. The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland. Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise. Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said. Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. "Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years." Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Thanks Jane Regards Dr.JN Sharma On 4/23/09, ben jackson <cranium_stretched wrote: > I really don't get it. Everyone knows that ice expands when it is in > transition from extreme cold to warmth. > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: > > > Jane MacRoss <highfield1 > Antarctic Ice Is GROWING > > Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:52 AM > > > > > > > > > http://www.rense. com/general85/ antart.htm > > > Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, > Not Melting Away > By Greg Roberts > The Australian > 4-21-9 > > > Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / > Reuters > > Ice expanding in much of Antarctica > Eastern coast getting colder > Western section remains a concern > > ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public > belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. > > The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no > large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are > concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. > > Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh > water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets > would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in > parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf > generated international headlines this month. > > However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes > the territory claimed by Australia. > > East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it > are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared > for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty > > Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea > ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than > offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east > Antarctica. > > " Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally, " Dr > Allison said. > > The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels > to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses > from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses > are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial > movements on the mainland. > > Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted > sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst > case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise. > > Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout > Antarctica. " I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what > we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica, " he > said. > > Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass > of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was > melting. " The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the > west, " he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen > recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. > > " Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large > icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or > 50 years. " > > Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East > Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research > Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its > densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the > 1950s is 1.67m. > > A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal > Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 > years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 The way I see it is that the climate is shifting around---having lost its natural compass through all the geo-engineering that has been going on for the past couple --or more decades. How could it not react to the massive un-natural changes that have been created? My thinking is that even the perpetrators don't know what is happening--how could they ---they are the most myopic lot of them all---and this global warming hoopla has been created as yet another money making machine for the greed addicts--but they have to ramp it up now before people realize they are freezing their butts off in a global warming world. But who knows how it will all unfold---there is no way even the 'smartest' computers can account for the myriad of interactions that take place to create our climate-- each of which could have massive effects we have no idea of--now that we are so totally out of balance .. Al Gore has one of the biggest ecofootprints in the world and excuses it by buying 'carbon credits' an idea that was thought up and perpetuated under Obamas watchful and helpful eye and funding while still in the Senate. By sheer coincidence I'm sure---Al Gore owns the carbon credit trading company he 'buys' his 'credits' from. What a scam!! The way I look at it---the Cosmos is created out of LOVE--and sooner or later the silly boys will get the spanking that is coming to them. They can run but they can't hide! In the meantime we are all in for a ride---so wax those spaceboards... Peace and Love Bea --- On Thu, 4/23/09, ben jackson <cranium_stretched wrote: ben jackson <cranium_stretchedRe: Antarctic Ice Is GROWING Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:23 AM I really don't get it. Everyone knows that ice expands when it is in transition from extreme cold to warmth. --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au>[Health_and_ Healing] Antarctic Ice Is GROWINGThursday, April 23, 2009, 6:52 AM http://www.rense. com/general85/ antart.htm Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away By Greg RobertsThe Australian4-21-9 Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / Reuters Ice expanding in much of Antarctica Eastern coast getting colder Western section remains a concern ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month. However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia. East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica. "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said. The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland. Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise. Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said. Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. "Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years." Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I loved this whole response Bea, you're onto a lot of the picture, with humor - such a valuable combination Liz , Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: > > The way I see it is that the climate is shifting around---having lost its natural compass through all the geo-engineering that has been going on for the past couple --or more decades. How could it not react to the massive un-natural changes that have been created? >  > My thinking is that even the perpetrators don't know what is happening--how could they ---they are the most myopic lot of them all---and this global warming hoopla has been created as yet another money making machine for the greed addicts--but they have to ramp it up now before people realize they are freezing their butts off in a global warming world. >  > But who knows how it will all unfold---there is no way even the 'smartest' computers can account for the myriad of interactions that take place to create our climate-- each of which could have massive effects we have no idea of--now that we are so totally out of balance .. >  > Al Gore has one of the biggest ecofootprints in the world and excuses it by buying 'carbon credits' an idea that was thought up and perpetuated  under Obamas watchful and helpful eye and funding while still in the Senate. By sheer coincidence I'm sure---Al Gore owns the carbon credit trading company he 'buys' his 'credits' from. What a scam!! >  > The way I look at it---the Cosmos is created out of LOVE--and sooner or later the silly boys will get the spanking that is coming to them. They can run but they can't hide! >  > In the meantime we are all in for a ride---so wax those spaceboards... >  > Peace and Love > Bea >  > > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, ben jackson <cranium_stretched wrote: > > ben jackson <cranium_stretched > Re: Antarctic Ice Is GROWING > > Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:23 AM > > > > > > I really don't get it. Everyone knows that ice expands when it is in transition from extreme cold to warmth. > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: > > > Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> > [Health_and_ Healing] Antarctic Ice Is GROWING > > Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:52 AM > > > > > http://www.rense. com/general85/ antart.htm > > > Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, > Not Melting Away > By Greg Roberts > The Australian > 4-21-9 > >  > Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / Reuters > > Ice expanding in much of Antarctica > Eastern coast getting colder > Western section remains a concern > > ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. > > The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. > > Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month. > > However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia. > > East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty > > Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica. > > " Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally, " Dr Allison said. > > The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland. > > Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise. > > Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. " I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica, " he said. > > Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. " The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west, " he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. > > " Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years. " > > Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. > > A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Amen!--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Elizabeth Brandegee <lightspirals wrote: Elizabeth Brandegee <lightspirals Re: Antarctic Ice Is GROWING Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 12:54 PM I loved this whole response Bea, you're onto a lot of the picture, with humor - such a valuable combination ;)Liz, Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen@ ...> wrote:>> The way I see it is that the climate is shifting around---having lost its natural compass through all the geo-engineering that has been going on for the past couple --or more decades. How could it not react to the massive un-natural changes that have been created? >  > My thinking is that even the perpetrators don't know what is happening--how could they ---they are the most myopic lot of them all---and this global warming hoopla has been created as yet another money making machine for the greed addicts--but they have to ramp it up now before people realize they are freezing their butts off in a global warming world. >  > But who knows how it will all unfold---there is no way even the 'smartest' computers can account for the myriad of interactions that take place to create our climate-- each of which could have massive effects we have no idea of--now that we are so totally out of balance ..>  > Al Gore has one of the biggest ecofootprints in the world and excuses it by buying 'carbon credits' an idea that was thought up and perpetuated  under Obamas watchful and helpful eye and funding while still in the Senate. By sheer coincidence I'm sure---Al Gore owns the carbon credit trading company he 'buys' his 'credits' from. What a scam!!>  > The way I look at it---the Cosmos is created out of LOVE--and sooner or later the silly boys will get the spanking that is coming to them. They can run but they can't hide!>  > In the meantime we are all in for a ride---so wax those spaceboards. ..>  > Peace and Love> Bea>  > > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, ben jackson <cranium_stretched@ ...> wrote:> > ben jackson <cranium_stretched@ ...>> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Antarctic Ice Is GROWING> > Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:23 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't get it. Everyone knows that ice expands when it is in transition from extreme cold to warmth. > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1@ activ8. net.au> wrote:> > > Jane MacRoss <highfield1@ activ8. net.au>> [Health_and_ Healing] Antarctic Ice Is GROWING> > Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rense. com/general85/ antart.htm> > > Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, > Not Melting Away > By Greg Roberts> The Australian> 4-21-9> >  > > > > > > > > Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / Reuters > > Ice expanding in much of Antarctica > Eastern coast getting colder > Western section remains a concern > > ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. > > The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. > > Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month. > > However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia. > > East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty > > Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica. > > "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said. > > The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland. > > Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise. > > Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said. > > Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. > > "Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years." > > Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. > > A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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