Fw: Start of National Health Care in phony Stimulus Bill will force us old people to die in pain by denying health care to save money

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Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:19 PM

Start of National Health Care in phony Stimulus Bill will force us old people to die in pain by denying health care to save money

 

 

This is an Urgent Heads UP,

This is one of several notices I have received on this Communist attempt, hidden in stimulus bill to save money by denying care to us old people so we will suffer and die in pain to save money. This was also reported yesterday on Dobbs or Beck programs. Veterans can expect the same treatment. Traitors in government unconstitutionally looted our country and now want to steal more by killing off the old people………I am one of those old people and I don’t think so.

Andrew Wallace

 

ILLEGALS YES, ELDERLY AMERICANS NOT SO MUCH, Stimulus Bill Would Deny Health Care for the Elderly

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------Lori S <blueloriTue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:03 AMFwd: ILLEGALS YES ELDERLY AMERICANS NOT SO MUCH Stimulus Bill Would Deny Health Care for the ElderlyTom <boldsaber

So let's see money for ILLEGAL ALIEN'S AND THEIR BROODS BUT NO DECENT CARE FOR OUR OWN ELDERLY

GOOD HEAVENS if your going to FORCE socialist healthcare you would think they could at least take care of our

own Senior Citizens in a decent manner! I am just livid that people can BREAK into our country and we are FORCED

to provide for them no birth certificate required yet our own people will suffer shows what types of flaws will be

in socialized care. I urge you to immediately call your two U.S. Senators at 202-224-3121 and urgethem to vote NO on the "Stimulus" bill. Hidden in the massivestimulus bill is the first part of the socialized health care system we'vebeen dreading, and it could kill you—literally. Government bureaucrats will draw up charts assigning arbitrary values to eachelement of health care, and weigh them against factors such as age and medicalhistory; and someone you will never be able to meet will decide whether or notyour life is insufficiently valuable to treat, and they could prevent yourdoctor from providing the treatment you need. In 2006, a similar English system ordered that elderly patients with maculardegeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could geta costly drug to save the other eye. That could become an everyday drama inhospitals and doctors offices across the country. They might as well tattoo"Die" on the victim's foreheads. This was one of the ideas Senator Daschle recommended, and while public outragekept him from being confirmed to be the HHS Secretary, his deadly idea lives on,hidden in the stimulus bill which will be voted on anytime in the next few days.The bill number is H.R. 1, but it's just known as the Stimulus Bill. You cancall it the "Death Stimulus Bill" when you call, just so they get thepoint. Please call both your senators at 202-224-3121 now. Tell them to vote NO on thestimulus bill and that there is health care rationing in the bill. And call andemail your friends asking for their immediate help too. Please forward thisemail to everyone you can. Post it on blogs and websites. Call and email talkshows. Email a letter to the editor of your newspaper. You can email yourSenators, but please call them first because they will notice if we jam thephone lines, but they could ignore email until after the vote. You can also callthe Senator's home-state offices, you'll find the numbers on their websites

at http://www.Senate.gov. Senate emails

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Thanks to Beth for the following:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039 & refer=columnist_mccaughey & sid=aLzfDxfbwhzsRuin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey Commentary by Betsy McCaugheyFeb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy. Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department. Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version). The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors. But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “ Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.” Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far. New Penalties Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541) What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make. The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system. Elderly Hardest Hit Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464). The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis. In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision. Hidden Provisions If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later. The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181). Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.” More Scrutiny Needed On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny. The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy. ( Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own.)