Diabetes

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Look up " Diabetic foot " with an internet search engine. There is quite a

lot of good information available on wound care at many levels of

severity.

 

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:29:08 " Alfred Russo " <russoshen

writes:

>

>Hello all,

>

>Does anyone have any experience with the treatment of diabetic wound

>care,

>pre-amputation, and severe infection of diabetic wounds? Does anyone

>know

>of research done on diabetic wound care with the use of acupuncture?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Fred

>

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Hello every one,especially for Fred,

 

I am still a student ,and I am chinese.I would like to

provide a small opinion for reference.

 

According the TCM,Diabetice got relationship with

spleen dampness and may be spleen Qi unefficency.

 

>pre-amputation, and severe infection of diabetic

wounds? Does anyone know of research done on

diabetic wound care with the use of acupuncture?

 

Acupuncture sometimes has no good function when the

patient's Qi is not strong enough.The TCM Herbs might

be help more for pre-amputation patient. My suggestion

might be not correct ,but,I would like to suggest

using

some TCM herbs to dry the spleen dampness(In TCM

theory,Spleen need to be dry,not tonic,tonic might

increse dampness of spleen).

 

Then, plus some herb to add the circulation of the

foot

wound area,such as Ginsen,Donqi..and some TCM herbs to

kill Becteria..This might be more helpful then

acupuncture for diabtice wound.Don't us drug powder,us

the real herb.

 

I don't have TCM herb English dictionary in my hand

now.If you need more information,I might go find some

prescriptions(in chinese) and try to translate into

English for you.

 

 

Jean

 

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People might be interested to know that Lynn Kuchinski, Dr. Robert

Casanas, MD, and myself have recently finished compiling a 600 page

book on the Chinese medical treatment of diabetes mellitus and 40 of

its complications, including gangrene. The book is modeled on our very

successful Chinese Medical Psychiatry. It is currently going through

peer review right now and should be available some time in early 2002.

It should be very helpful for anyone treating patients with DM or any

of its complications.

 

Bob

 

, Jeansu <jeansu009> wrote:

> Hello every one,especially for Fred,

>

> I am still a student ,and I am chinese.I would like to

> provide a small opinion for reference.

>

> According the TCM,Diabetice got relationship with

> spleen dampness and may be spleen Qi unefficency.

>

> >pre-amputation, and severe infection of diabetic

> wounds? Does anyone know of research done on

> diabetic wound care with the use of acupuncture?

>

> Acupuncture sometimes has no good function when the

> patient's Qi is not strong enough.The TCM Herbs might

> be help more for pre-amputation patient. My suggestion

> might be not correct ,but,I would like to suggest

> using

> some TCM herbs to dry the spleen dampness(In TCM

> theory,Spleen need to be dry,not tonic,tonic might

> increse dampness of spleen).

>

> Then, plus some herb to add the circulation of the

> foot

> wound area,such as Ginsen,Donqi..and some TCM herbs to

> kill Becteria..This might be more helpful then

> acupuncture for diabtice wound.Don't us drug powder,us

> the real herb.

>

> I don't have TCM herb English dictionary in my hand

> now.If you need more information,I might go find some

> prescriptions(in chinese) and try to translate into

> English for you.

>

>

> Jean

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,I have to apologize.may I ask,

 

> The book is modeled on our very

successful Chinese Medical Psychiatry.

 

Why Chinese Medical Psychiatry wrote the book of

diabetes not a TCM Physician?

 

If the patient have to amputation now,Can he wait for

two years?

 

Jean

 

 

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[Guest guest]

>pemachophel2001

>

>

> Re: Diabetes

>Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:59:57 -0000

>

>People might be interested to know that Lynn Kuchinski, Dr. Robert

>Casanas, MD, and myself have recently finished compiling a 600 page

>book on the Chinese medical treatment of diabetes mellitus and 40 of

>its complications, including gangrene. The book is modeled on our very

>successful Chinese Medical Psychiatry. It is currently going through

>peer review right now and should be available some time in early 2002.

>It should be very helpful for anyone treating patients with DM or any

>of its complications.

>

>Bob

>

>, Jeansu <jeansu009> wrote:

> > Hello every one,especially for Fred,

> >

> > I am still a student ,and I am chinese.I would like to

> > provide a small opinion for reference.

> >

> > According the TCM,Diabetice got relationship with

> > spleen dampness and may be spleen Qi unefficency.

> >

> > >pre-amputation, and severe infection of diabetic

> > wounds? Does anyone know of research done on

> > diabetic wound care with the use of acupuncture?

> >

> > Acupuncture sometimes has no good function when the

> > patient's Qi is not strong enough.The TCM Herbs might

> > be help more for pre-amputation patient. My suggestion

> > might be not correct ,but,I would like to suggest

> > using

> > some TCM herbs to dry the spleen dampness(In TCM

> > theory,Spleen need to be dry,not tonic,tonic might

> > increse dampness of spleen).

> >

> > Then, plus some herb to add the circulation of the

> > foot

> > wound area,such as Ginsen,Donqi..and some TCM herbs to

> > kill Becteria..This might be more helpful then

> > acupuncture for diabtice wound.Don't us drug powder,us

> > the real herb.

> >

> > I don't have TCM herb English dictionary in my hand

> > now.If you need more information,I might go find some

> > prescriptions(in chinese) and try to translate into

> > English for you.

> >

> >

> > Jean

> >

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>

 

 

Bob,

 

I am interested in the book. I am a recent grad from PCOM and I have a

nursing backround. I just moved to New Mexico and I am working at a

Podiarty office as a Nurse until I take my state boards in December. We see

some outrageous wounds that can take up half a persons leg. We use various

types of skin graf and wound dressings. Also a small percentage of these

patients have MRSA which complicates things greats with the combo of

diabetes. Most of these patients are coming in 2-3 times a week and are

usually on Medicare. The TCM approach I am sure would vary from person to

person, but with the insurance and low income factor?? I am hoping to come

with some ideas to talk to the DPM about.

It looks like a good opportunity for RESEARCH. Is the book based on case

studies or just theory?

Do you have DM patients with the wound care I have mentioned above?

 

Thanks,

 

Fred

 

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>Jeansu <jeansu009

>

>

>Re: Diabetes

>Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:19:47 +0800 (CST)

>

>Hello every one,especially for Fred,

>

>I am still a student ,and I am chinese.I would like to

>provide a small opinion for reference.

>

>According the TCM,Diabetice got relationship with

>spleen dampness and may be spleen Qi unefficency.

>

> >pre-amputation, and severe infection of diabetic

>wounds? Does anyone know of research done on

>diabetic wound care with the use of acupuncture?

>

>Acupuncture sometimes has no good function when the

>patient's Qi is not strong enough.The TCM Herbs might

>be help more for pre-amputation patient. My suggestion

>might be not correct ,but,I would like to suggest

>using

>some TCM herbs to dry the spleen dampness(In TCM

>theory,Spleen need to be dry,not tonic,tonic might

>increse dampness of spleen).

>

>Then, plus some herb to add the circulation of the

>foot

>wound area,such as Ginsen,Donqi..and some TCM herbs to

>kill Becteria..This might be more helpful then

>acupuncture for diabtice wound.Don't us drug powder,us

>the real herb.

>

>I don't have TCM herb English dictionary in my hand

>now.If you need more information,I might go find some

>prescriptions(in chinese) and try to translate into

>English for you.

 

Jean I think this would be very helpful. Do you know of specific journals

that would actually help. Do you really have time to translate?

Thanks

Fred>

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,Fred,

 

Could you read Chinese?I am in Taiwan,and mabey

I can find some articles about Diabetes in chinese.

Because you are saving people,if you could read,maybe

I can mail you a few copys, or suggest the name of the

books,then you can try to order it.

 

My time is not allow to translate a book or articles.

But some herbal formulas is available.

 

Jean

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, Jeansu <jeansu009> wrote:

> Hi,I have to apologize.may I ask,

>

> > The book is modeled on our very

> successful Chinese Medical Psychiatry.

>

> Why Chinese Medical Psychiatry wrote the book of

> diabetes not a TCM Physician?

>

 

This book was written by an American TCM practitioner who reads

chinese. Was that what you were asking?

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,Todd

 

No.I was confused by the psychiatry.I thought

that DM is not very connected with ppsychiatry.

 

Thanks.

 

jean

 

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[Guest guest]

, Jeansu <jeansu009> wrote:

> Hi,Todd

>

> No.I was confused by the psychiatry.I thought

> that DM is not very connected with ppsychiatry.

>

> Thanks.

>

> jean

>

 

The same company has published a book on Psych and will soon release

another one on DM. Both are written by TCM practitioners who can read

chinese.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,Marcelo,

 

Becuase the real herbal is much close the nature.

TCM is enphasis on the Nature Law more then anything.

Morden tech about trans herbal into drug powder

still can't 100% like the herb ,especially the herbal

formula powder.

 

Tha nature one is better if you can get the TCM herb.

The gree-su is stronger then white-su (I don't know

how to translate these two herb).It have to depend on

the patient's situation.

 

Jean

 

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[Guest guest]

I just had a conversation with someone on the list regarding the statements I made about the hospital I worked at and their evaluation of treatments of diabetes. The patients they evaluated were insulin dependent or type 1. And again they found that TCM can control the symptoms but not the sugar levels

Alon

 

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This is why one must conceder all factors when saying that CM works for diabetes if there is also life style changes. Every patient with type II diabetes that I have used a very low carb diet on has been able to control their sugar. While if i only rely on herbs the results are more often poor than not

 

Low-Glycemic Index Foods Are Effective for Glycemic Control in DiabeticsConsumption of low-glycemic index (GI) foods is effective in medium-termglycemic control in diabetic patients, according to a report in theAugust issue of Diabetes Care.Reuters Health Information 2003http://mp.medscape.com/cgi-bin1/DM/y/edBz0EDHzl0D2i0FfNB0AX

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Cinnamon See the links below.

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=cinnamon+%2B+Diabetes & spell=1

 

Graham Sorenson

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Is there an herb that would help with Diabetes ? like lower blood levels.

S D Turner NSA

Homemade Candles,Bath And Body Lady

http://www.breezeenterprises.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I am a diabetic, and they have been talking on the diabetic lists of great

things with cinnamon, lowering blood sugars,

 

mary

Well, Naturally

http://www.wellnaturally.com

 

At 11:43 AM 12/2/2004, you wrote:

 

>Is there an herb that would help with Diabetes ? like lower blood levels.

>S D Turner NSA

>Homemade Candles,Bath And Body Lady

><http://www.breezeenterprises.com>http://www.breezeenterprises.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In Egypt and that whole area Artemisia alba has been used to treat

mild diabetis. Somewhere I have research references on that, but the

Herb Research Foundation will have good references for sure - those

are well worth the money.

http://www.herbs.org/

Think it is taken as a drink everday to control blood sugar levels.

 

Also, there is a bitter cucumber-like vegetable that Asian shops

often stock,it's called Karela or something like that and there is a

fair amount of research on that.

 

Actually there are loads of herbs that affect blood sugar levels, but

really it is not something for self treatment because a close eye has

to be kept for adverse effects. It is really a job for a

professional herbalist to deal with via person consultations.

 

Martin Watt

Your source of superb infomation.

http://www.aromamedical.com

 

, " Breeze Enterprises "

<Breezeenterprises@c...> wrote:

>

> Is there an herb that would help with Diabetes ? like lower blood

levels.

> S D Turner NSA

> Homemade Candles,Bath And Body Lady

> http://www.breezeenterprises.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Found this in my mailbox today from another list...

 

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

Diabetes Res Clin Pract. 2003 Dec;62(3):139-48.

 

 

Cinnamon extract (traditional herb) potentiates in vivo insulin-regulated

glucose utilization via enhancing insulin signaling in rats.

 

Qin B, Nagasaki M, Ren M, Bajotto G, Oshida Y, Sato Y.

 

Cinnamon has been shown to potentiate the insulin effect through

upregulation of the glucose uptake in cultured adipocytes. In the present

study, we evaluated the effect of the cinnamon extract on the insulin action

in awaked rats by the euglycemic clamp and further analyzed possible changes

in insulin signaling occurred in skeletal muscle. The rats were divided into

saline and cinnamon extract (30 and 300 mg/kg BW-doses: C30 and C300) oral

administration groups. After 3-weeks, cinnamon extract treated rats showed a

significantly higher glucose infusion rate (GIR) at 3 mU/kg per min insulin

infusions compared with controls (118 and 146% of controls for C30 and C300,

respectively). At 30 mU/kg per min insulin infusions, the GIR in C300 rats

was increased 17% over controls. There were no significant differences in

insulin receptor (IR)-beta, IR substrate (IRS)-1, and phosphatidylinositol

(PI) 3-kinase protein content between C300 rats and controls. However, the

skeletal muscle insulin-stimulated IR-beta and the IRS-1 tyrosine

phosphorylation levels in C300 rats were 18 and 33% higher, respectively,

added to 41% higher IRS-1/PI 3-kinase association. These results suggest

that the cinnamon extract would improve insulin action via increasing

glucose uptake in vivo, at least in part through enhancing the

insulin-signaling pathway in skeletal muscle.

 

PMID: 14625128

 

and

 

 

tHorm Metab Res. 2004 Feb;36(2):119-25.

 

 

Cinnamon extract prevents the insulin resistance induced by a high-fructose

diet.

 

Qin B, Nagasaki M, Ren M, Bajotto G, Oshida Y, Sato Y.

 

Department of Sports Medicine, Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya

University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan.

 

The aim of this study was to determine whether cinnamon extract (CE) would

improve the glucose utilization in normal male Wistar rats fed a

high-fructose diet (HFD) for three weeks with or without CE added to the

drinking water (300 mg/kg/day). In vivo glucose utilization was measured by

the euglycemic clamp technique. Further analyses on the possible changes in

insulin signaling occurring in skeletal muscle were performed afterwards by

Western blotting. At 3 mU/kg/min insulin infusions, the decreased glucose

infusion rate (GIR) in HFD-fed rats (60 % of controls, p < 0.01) was

improved by CE administration to the same level of controls (normal chow

diet) and the improving effect of CE on the GIR of HFD-fed rats was blocked

by approximately 50 % by N-monometyl-L-arginine. The same tendency was found

during the 30 mU/kg/min insulin infusions. There were no differences in

skeletal muscle insulin receptor (IR)-beta, IR substrate (IRS)-1, or

phosphatidylinositol (PI) 3-kinase protein content in any groups. However,

the muscular insulin-stimulated IR-beta and IRS-1 tyrosine phosphorylation

levels and IRS-1 associated with PI 3-kinase in HFD-fed rats were only 70

+/- 9 %, 76 +/- 5 %, and 72 +/- 6 % of controls (p < 0.05), respectively,

and these decreases were significantly improved by CE treatment. These

results suggest that early CE administration to HFD-fed rats would prevent

the development of insulin resistance at least in part by enhancing insulin

signaling and possibly via the NO pathway in skeletal muscle.

 

PMID: 15002064

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

S D Turner NSA

asked:

 

Is there an herb that would help with Diabetes ? I'd like lower blood levels.

 

There is a great formula called METABAZON that many people with diabetes or

hypoglycemia have

found helpful for balancing blood sugar levels.

I have a friend who uses it even as we speak to help

prevent pregnancy diabetes.

 

It contains two rainforest herbs that have also been called " vegetable insulin " :

Pata de Vaca, and Pedra

Hume Caa.

 

Bonus: any purchase helps the indigenous people

to preserve the Amazon Rainforest.

Yes, this is my business.

Ask me for a sample of Shipibo tea and see if the

energy of the forest agrees with you.

 

--

 

Ien in the Kootenays

Rainforest miracles:

http://wildhealing.net

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am a 42 yr. old woman who recently gave birth to a baby girl 9 weeks

prematurely. I was diagnosed with pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes. I have

not been back to have another fasting diabetes test, but my numbers have been

high when I check them at home. I am breastfeeding the baby, so I'm not sure

about doing a cleanse, but I am wondering if you have any advice about what I

can do or should be eating to get things under control. Thank you