I need an opinion (or two) :):)

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible

and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with

Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

 

After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

 

So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and

join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find

out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if

not, should i not participate?

 

Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

thanks so much for reading -

Deborah L.

[Guest guest]

It's just my opinion that if they are only researching traditional

" cures " that it is supporting big pharma. I felt that same twang of

wanting to support helping people with cancers and it occurred to me

that it's just supporting the cut it out or poison it methods and making

the big pharma and doctor's pockets fat. So, I don't support things

like that. I truly wish people would stop thinking of doctors and

medical researchers as mini gods....

 

JMHO,

 

Sheila

 

Deborah wrote:

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

 

 

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He truly lives dangerously who trusts his health to a doctor, his rights to a

lawyer, his money to a banker, or his soul to a preacher

[Guest guest]

Here is my 2 cents.

Yes you could study to see if they are involved in natural methods,etc. But my opinion would be a big fat no, they aren't. But it would ease your mind.

I say that you should follow your heart and your beliefs system...be true to yourself.

Like, If you are an animal lover, you KNOW that you would NEVER wear or purchase an animal skin or fur right?

Just be true to you is all that matters. =)

Karly in Texas-- Faith is believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe. " Voltaire "

[Guest guest]

Dear Deborah,

 

I am sorry for your mothers loss, but at the same time i think you should do what makes you happy and that you get satisfaction from it, no matter what you do, but helping people for whatever reason is always a gratifying emotion that feeds your mind, soul and body.

 

Best wishes

 

Werner

 

 

 

Deborah <gubertushherbal remedies Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 9:27:21 PM{Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

Hi Everyone,So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many more.. After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization that doesn't really line up

with my values on health. So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate? Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do. thanks so much for reading - Deborah L.

[Guest guest]

I had breast cancer, surgery and chemo, when I was 36 years old. I knew almost nothing about alternative methods then, but that put me on the path to learn. That was 20 years ago.

 

Even though I knew so little about alternatives back then, I still knew what the doctors told me was wrong. Long story that I won't bother anyone with now, but I learned from the chemo doctor just how much of it is all about money and not at all about health. And it hasn't changed any in these past 20 years.

 

About 2 years after my cancer my Mother called me up and told me to watch out as there was a person going around collecting for cancer research. I lived in the back of a cul-de-sac and hardly anyone ever bothered to come back my way. Mom wanted me to watch for him so I could flag him down and tell him to come into the circle.

 

I asked her "why would I do that?". She said "because you've had cancer. I know you want to find a cure, so knew you'd want to make a donation for the cause".

 

I told her "Mom, if there was any other business besides medicine, that for the last 50 years had raked in millions and millions of donated, tax free dollars, yet came up with nothing different than what they have done for the past 50 years--surgery, chemo and radiation--they'd be thrown into prison for fraudulent practice. Now why would I want to donate to that group?".

 

My Mother passed away 6 years ago from cancer. She did whatever the doctors told her to do, though I offered her alternatives. And my thoughts have not changed in these past 20 years.

 

You, of course, must think about your situation and go with your own heart.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

[Guest guest]

Funny you mention this; my mother is a 2 -time breast cancer survivor and we too used to run/ walk the breast cancer walk years ago.  We stopped and I stopped for exactly that reason.  I think by supporting these groups we are just putting more money into the pockets of BIG PHARMA.  I would much rather spend my funds, and raise funds for preventive measures, educating folks on how to prevent instead of finding supposed cures.  There is no money in a cure so I don't think these groups and the gov't are really after a cure anyway.  It is a total bummer that this is how it seems to work.  I won't even buy a pink ribbon magnet, hat, bracelet, etc.

Just my two cents.  On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Deborah <gubertush wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Everyone,

So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

 

After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

 

So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate?

 

Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

thanks so much for reading -

Deborah L.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah. I have MS, and i dont take any of the conventional meds (i took neurontin for several years, did much more harm than good) the steroids and shots are Way-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y out of my budget, so i dont take them, and wouldnt take them anyway if i could afford them (no insurance) i walked in one of the walkathons 3 years ago. i started eating mostly raw, organic fruits and veggies. giving up the breads and pasta (gluten) and meats (prions) and milks and cheeses (lactose) has made a HUGE improvement of my condition. better than the neurontin ever did, and the only side effect was......i lost over 100 pounds, which i needed to lose!

I take GLA, ALA, B vitamins, which also seem to help.

the Walkathon raises public awareness of MS, but they are not really interested in natural remedies. most people would rather take a pill or a shot and deal with the side effects than eat healthy. go figure!

jan

 

 

 

Deborah <gubertushherbal remedies Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 9:27:21 PM{Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

Hi Everyone,So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many more.. After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization that doesn't really line up

with my values on health. So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate? Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do. thanks so much for reading - Deborah L.

[Guest guest]

Are they promoting natural remedies also? I am not a big believer in

supporting causes when money is involved for instance, My daughter has

Cerebral Palsy and is 30 yrs. old

How many times do you think the UCP helped her??? Zero!!!!

So

I don't contribute to any cause or organization any more, I'd rather

find a person or family needing help or even a homeless person and offer

money to them if I had it instead of these big organizations that are

researching so called cures.

I called our local headquarters and also the national one when my

daughter lived at home with me and point blank asked them the question

as to why my daughter wasn't ever helped by them and both answers were

basically the same, monies go to research and management and also the

main person in charge, sitting behind his desk, taking calls for

benefits, fund raisers and dinner meetings.

Maybe if there is some way to start your own fund raisers for natural

cures and remedies for MS would be a better alternative if you could! I

think that would make you feel more positive about it.

Just my 2 cents!

Donna ACS

 

 

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics

> are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she

> was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to

> take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that

> whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but

> cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS

> Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they

> raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i

> have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me

> the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National

> MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote

> steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

> realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an

> organization that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to

> fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do

> some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on

> natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would

> really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Deborah,

 

There is wonderful young woman here on this list who has healed herself of MS.

Her name is Gina. Gina are you here?

cher

 

herbal remedies , windflower song <windflowersong

wrote:

>

> Hi Deborah.  I have MS, and i dont take any of the conventional meds (i took

neurontin for several years, did much more harm than good)  the steroids and

shots are Way-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y out of my budget, so i dont take them, and

wouldnt take them anyway if i could afford them (no insurance)  i walked in one

of the walkathons 3 years ago.  i started eating mostly raw, organic fruits and

veggies.  giving up the breads and pasta (gluten) and meats (prions) and milks

and cheeses (lactose) has made a HUGE improvement of my condition.  better

than the neurontin ever did, and the only side effect was......i lost over 100

pounds, which i needed to lose!

> I take GLA, ALA, B vitamins, which also seem to help.

> the Walkathon raises public awareness of MS, but they are not really

interested in natural remedies.  most people would rather take a pill or a shot

and deal with the side effects than eat healthy.  go figure!

> jan

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Deborah <gubertush

> herbal remedies

> Mon, January 4, 2010 9:27:21 PM

> {Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

>

>  

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

[Guest guest]



Hi Jan Sorry was busy reading your emails and I hit the send button.....;-)))

 

Curiosity, what is your diet now consist of?.....Fruit, nuts, veggies.....anything else?...what liquids...water?

 

You say you lost a lot weight ...well done, what other improvements did you notice?

 

regards

 

Sharyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

windflower song

herbal remedies

Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:00 AM

Re: {Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

 

 

Hi Deborah. I have MS, and i dont take any of the conventional meds (i took neurontin for several years, did much more harm than good) the steroids and shots are Way-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y out of my budget, so i dont take them, and wouldnt take them anyway if i could afford them (no insurance) i walked in one of the walkathons 3 years ago. i started eating mostly raw, organic fruits and veggies. giving up the breads and pasta (gluten) and meats (prions) and milks and cheeses (lactose) has made a HUGE improvement of my condition. better than the neurontin ever did, and the only side effect was......i lost over 100 pounds, which i needed to lose!

I take GLA, ALA, B vitamins, which also seem to help.

the Walkathon raises public awareness of MS, but they are not really interested in natural remedies. most people would rather take a pill or a shot and deal with the side effects than eat healthy. go figure!

jan

 

 

 

Deborah <gubertushherbal remedies Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 9:27:21 PM{Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

Hi Everyone,So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many more.. After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization that doesn't really line up with my values on health. So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate? Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do. thanks so much for reading - Deborah L.

[Guest guest]

hi Sharyn,

high raw. some meat (mostly in soup, my un-raw 15%)

i lost 132 pounds, but have gained 50 of those back (some bad food choices, {chinese food} and no exercise due to infirmity (got pneumonia last year, knocked me for a loop, then multiple sclerosis raised its ugly head. i stopoped exercising) i have noticed when i eat raw vegan, my MS drastically improves, diabetes totally gone, much to the dismay of my doctor, who fra tne A1c test 3 times "knowing" there was something "wrong" with the results. he said he never saw diabetis reverse. am i sure i had diabetis? duh, he was the one who diagnosed and prescribed Rx's for it for years!

asthma totally gone, and i went from being seditary, needing a cane or a strong arm to hang onto, and getting ready for a wheelchair (2005) to walking a 5K and a 10K. I came in 3rd from last, but hey, i finished, and the other 2 didnt have MS!

my diet now is salads with lots of veggies and fruit. (frozen cherries and raspberries from summers garden) my dressing is orange juice + vinegar (actually the brine from hot peppers i canned) totally fat free or salsa, also fat free, that i canned with peppers, tomatoes and onions from the garden.

my soups are those that i canned and are 100% organic and low salt. there is a bit of meat in them, mainly for flavor, and dh eats the meat when we have soup. me, the veggies and broth.

jan

 

 

 

 

Sharyn Latchford <fleurlistaherbal remedies Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 9:29:57 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

 Hi Jan Sorry was busy reading your emails and I hit the send button.....; -)))

 

Curiosity, what is your diet now consist of?.....Fruit, nuts, veggies..... anything else?...what liquids...water?

 

You say you lost a lot weight ...well done, what other improvements did you notice?

 

regards

 

Sharyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

windflower song

herbal remedies

Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:00 AM

Re: {Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

 

 

Hi Deborah. I have MS, and i dont take any of the conventional meds (i took neurontin for several years, did much more harm than good) the steroids and shots are Way-y-y-y-y- y-y-y-y-y- y out of my budget, so i dont take them, and wouldnt take them anyway if i could afford them (no insurance) i walked in one of the walkathons 3 years ago. i started eating mostly raw, organic fruits and veggies. giving up the breads and pasta (gluten) and meats (prions) and milks and cheeses (lactose) has made a HUGE improvement of my condition. better than the neurontin ever did, and the only side effect was......i lost over 100 pounds, which i needed to lose!

I take GLA, ALA, B vitamins, which also seem to help.

the Walkathon raises public awareness of MS, but they are not really interested in natural remedies. most people would rather take a pill or a shot and deal with the side effects than eat healthy. go figure!

jan

 

 

 

Deborah <gubertush >herbal remediesMon, January 4, 2010 9:27:21 PM{Herbal Remedies} I need an opinion (or two) :)

Hi Everyone,So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many more.. After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization that doesn't really line up

with my values on health. So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate? Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do. thanks so much for reading - Deborah L.