Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Stay Away From All Forms of Soy Those of you who have listened to Doc's Free lecture entitled Naturopathy know how hard he comes down on SOY. There are whole books written about soy and how bad it is. Many believe it is healthy to eat soy. This is not true. Soy kicks in hormones. Has anyone out there noticed as we have children going into puberty at the early ages of 7, 8 and 9? Soy unbalances hormones in humans and is a nightmare when it comes to chickens and other livestock if they eat soy. Many human and pet foods have soy in them. Our recommendation is to stay away from all forms of Soy. Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. I recently came across the data below in Sally Fallon's book entitled Nourishing Traditions page 88. There was no reference to the year this was written. Regardless of when it was written, it is pretty scary. "I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy on ruminants (cows, sheep, deer, antelope and their relatives). Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 years and have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves and reach hardly the age of 6. One main reason is the high percentage of soy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis and sterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identify the defective livers. The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first two lactations - is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achieved through it is not health promoting either . . . . If awake consumers, environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretely together in the future, there will not be any healthy farms and healthy foods." Again this is originally from Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. About 9 months ago, I purchased some 2 - 3 month old hens and was told they would be laying eggs in a few weeks. I began feeding them all organic sprouted grains. They received no soy and no commercial chicken food. After 2 months they had still not started to lay eggs. 3 months later they still were not laying eggs. Finally at about 6 to 7 months of age, my hens began laying. I am convinced that the delay was due to the lack of soy kicking in their hormones for early egg production. I believe that they are not only more healthy now but will live longer more productive lives. The chicks I raised from 3 days old received only organic food and they began laying at ages 5 to 6 months. I now have 1 rooster and 7 hens and most days my little darlings give me 7 wonderful, organic, fertile eggs ! Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Valorie Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Not to start a problem, but most laying hens don’t start to produce until 6-7 months depending on the breed. I don’t think soy was your problem, just Mother Nature at her best. ON another note, I have been asked by, strangely enough, quite a few of my ‘informed’ ‘Weston A Price’ type customers to grow some edamame (soybeans) for them. Are you saying that all these soybeans, that I have gotten from Seed Savers are not a good thing? Please educate me more. Katherine THE WAY FOOD USED TO TASTE www.LegacyManorFarm.com (Maryland) herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Valorie Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:23 PM Herbal Remedies {Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soy Stay Away From All Forms of Soy Those of you who have listened to Doc's Free lecture entitled Naturopathy know how hard he comes down on SOY. There are whole books written about soy and how bad it is. Many believe it is healthy to eat soy. This is not true. Soy kicks in hormones. Has anyone out there noticed as we have children going into puberty at the early ages of 7, 8 and 9? Soy unbalances hormones in humans and is a nightmare when it comes to chickens and other livestock if they eat soy. Many human and pet foods have soy in them. Our recommendation is to stay away from all forms of Soy. Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. I recently came across the data below in Sally Fallon's book entitled Nourishing Traditions page 88. There was no reference to the year this was written. Regardless of when it was written, it is pretty scary. " I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy on ruminants (cows, sheep, deer, antelope and their relatives). Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 years and have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves and reach hardly the age of 6. One main reason is the high percentage of soy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis and sterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identify the defective livers. The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first two lactations - is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achieved through it is not health promoting either . .. . . If awake consumers, environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretely together in the future, there will not be any healthy farms and healthy foods. " Again this is originally from Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. About 9 months ago, I purchased some 2 - 3 month old hens and was told they would be laying eggs in a few weeks. I began feeding them all organic sprouted grains. They received no soy and no commercial chicken food. After 2 months they had still not started to lay eggs. 3 months later they still were not laying eggs. Finally at about 6 to 7 months of age, my hens began laying. I am convinced that the delay was due to the lack of soy kicking in their hormones for early egg production. I believe that they are not only more healthy now but will live longer more productive lives. The chicks I raised from 3 days old received only organic food and they began laying at ages 5 to 6 months. I now have 1 rooster and 7 hens and most days my little darlings give me 7 wonderful, organic, fertile eggs ! Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Valorie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 We had chickens when i was a child, youre right they dont start laying till around 6 months .. I too eat edamame i LOVE them.. i eat them everyday since i started menapouse and it has helped me alot, no more hot flashes.. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Katherine@LMF <Katherine wrote: Katherine@LMF <KatherineRE: {Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soyherbal remedies Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:44 PM Not to start a problem, but most laying hens don’t start to produce until 6-7 months depending on the breed. I don’t think soy was your problem, just Mother Nature at her best. ON another note, I have been asked by, strangely enough, quite a few of my ‘informed’ ‘Weston A Price’ type customers to grow some edamame (soybeans) for them. Are you saying that all these soybeans, that I have gotten from Seed Savers are not a good thing? Please educate me more. Katherine THE WAY FOOD USED TO TASTE www.LegacyManorFarm .com (Maryland) herbal remedies [Herbal_ Remedies] On Behalf Of ValorieSunday, May 03, 2009 7:23 PMHerbal Remedies{Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soy Stay Away From All Forms of Soy Those of you who have listened to Doc's Free lecture entitled Naturopathy know how hard he comes down on SOY. There are whole books written about soy and how bad it is. Many believe it is healthy to eat soy. This is not true. Soy kicks in hormones. Has anyone out there noticed as we have children going into puberty at the early ages of 7, 8 and 9? Soy unbalances hormones in humans and is a nightmare when it comes to chickens and other livestock if they eat soy. Many human and pet foods have soy in them. Our recommendation is to stay away from all forms of Soy. Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. I recently came across the data below in Sally Fallon's book entitled Nourishing Traditions page 88. There was no reference to the year this was written. Regardless of when it was written, it is pretty scary."I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy on ruminants (cows, sheep, deer, antelope and their relatives). Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 years and have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves and reach hardly the age of 6. One main reason is the high percentage of soy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis and sterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identify the defective livers. The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first two lactations - is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achieved through it is not health promoting either . . . . If awake consumers, environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretely together in the future, there will not be any healthy farms and healthy foods." Again this is originally from Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal.About 9 months ago, I purchased some 2 - 3 month old hens and was told they would be laying eggs in a few weeks. I began feeding them all organic sprouted grains. They received no soy and no commercial chicken food. After 2 months they had still not started to lay eggs. 3 months later they still were not laying eggs. Finally at about 6 to 7 months of age, my hens began laying. I am convinced that the delay was due to the lack of soy kicking in their hormones for early egg production. I believe that they are not only more healthy now but will live longer more productive lives. The chicks I raised from 3 days old received only organic food and they began laying at ages 5 to 6 months. I now have 1 rooster and 7 hens and most days my little darlings give me 7 wonderful, organic, fertile eggs !Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,Valorie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I think the point of the original post was that the hens were expected to start laying early (3 months) by the person the poster bought them from. Once the poster began giving them a proper diet they began laying on a normal schedule (around 6 months). The point of the post was basically that the soy alters the natural patterns of the hen. I would do more research about eating edamame......a lot more research. Might I suggest that you begin with the list owners. They can be very helpful in pointing out the dangers of eating soy. Anella -"Debra Caston" <dcaston2003"Herbal Remedies" <herbal remedies >Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:59:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternRE: {Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soy We had chickens when i was a child, youre right they dont start laying till around 6 months .. I too eat edamame i LOVE them.. i eat them everyday since i started menapouse and it has helped me alot, no more hot flashes.. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Katherine@LMF <Katherine wrote: Katherine@LMF <KatherineRE: {Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soyherbal remedies Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:44 PM Not to start a problem, but most laying hens don’t start to produce until 6-7 months depending on the breed. I don’t think soy was your problem, just Mother Nature at her best. ON another note, I have been asked by, strangely enough, quite a few of my ‘informed’ ‘Weston A Price’ type customers to grow some edamame (soybeans) for them. Are you saying that all these soybeans, that I have gotten from Seed Savers are not a good thing? Please educate me more. Katherine THE WAY FOOD USED TO TASTE www.LegacyManorFarm .com (Maryland) herbal remedies [Herbal_ Remedies] On Behalf Of ValorieSunday, May 03, 2009 7:23 PMHerbal Remedies{Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soy Stay Away From All Forms of Soy Those of you who have listened to Doc's Free lecture entitled Naturopathy know how hard he comes down on SOY. There are whole books written about soy and how bad it is. Many believe it is healthy to eat soy. This is not true. Soy kicks in hormones. Has anyone out there noticed as we have children going into puberty at the early ages of 7, 8 and 9? Soy unbalances hormones in humans and is a nightmare when it comes to chickens and other livestock if they eat soy. Many human and pet foods have soy in them. Our recommendation is to stay away from all forms of Soy. Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. I recently came across the data below in Sally Fallon's book entitled Nourishing Traditions page 88. There was no reference to the year this was written. Regardless of when it was written, it is pretty scary."I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy on ruminants (cows, sheep, deer, antelope and their relatives). Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 years and have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves and reach hardly the age of 6. One main reason is the high percentage of soy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis and sterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identify the defective livers. The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first two lactations - is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achieved through it is not health promoting either . . . . If awake consumers, environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretely together in the future, there will not be any healthy farms and healthy foods." Again this is originally from Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal.About 9 months ago, I purchased some 2 - 3 month old hens and was told they would be laying eggs in a few weeks. I began feeding them all organic sprouted grains. They received no soy and no commercial chicken food. After 2 months they had still not started to lay eggs. 3 months later they still were not laying eggs. Finally at about 6 to 7 months of age, my hens began laying. I am convinced that the delay was due to the lack of soy kicking in their hormones for early egg production. I believe that they are not only more healthy now but will live longer more productive lives. The chicks I raised from 3 days old received only organic food and they began laying at ages 5 to 6 months. I now have 1 rooster and 7 hens and most days my little darlings give me 7 wonderful, organic, fertile eggs !Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,Valorie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Your hot flashes were alleviated because of the phyto-estrogens in the edamame. I suggest you google Dr. Kaayla Daniel (name spelled correctly) and look into the dangers of soy. Dr. Daniel wrote a very informative book called, "The Whole Soy Story" that goes into the history of soy (Asian connection), how it became standard fare in America (1930's), the scientific make up of soy, how soy reacts in the body, all the side effects of soy, etc. Very fascinating and not an easy read (you will not fly through this book in a day or two). I found it at the local library and was able to borrow it to read. If your library does not have it, then get it from the inter-library loan system. Wild yam, chaste berry, dong quai, and black cohosh also have phyto-estrogens and would be a better choice. Lori "I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto herbal remedies From: dcaston2003Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:59:56 -0700RE: {Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soy We had chickens when i was a child, youre right they dont start laying till around 6 months .. I too eat edamame i LOVE them.. i eat them everyday since i started menapouse and it has helped me alot, no more hot flashes.. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Katherine@LMF <Katherine (AT) LegacyManorFarm (DOT) com> wrote: Katherine@LMF <Katherine (AT) LegacyManorFarm (DOT) com>RE: {Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soyherbal remedies Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:44 PM Not to start a problem, but most laying hens don’t start to produce until 6-7 months depending on the breed. I don’t think soy was your problem, just Mother Nature at her best. ON another note, I have been asked by, strangely enough, quite a few of my ‘informed’ ‘Weston A Price’ type customers to grow some edamame (soybeans) for them. Are you saying that all these soybeans, that I have gotten from Seed Savers are not a good thing? Please educate me more. Katherine THE WAY FOOD USED TO TASTE www.LegacyManorFarm .com (Maryland) herbal remedies [Herbal_ Remedies] On Behalf Of ValorieSunday, May 03, 2009 7:23 PMHerbal Remedies{Herbal Remedies} Stay away from all forms of Soy Stay Away From All Forms of Soy Those of you who have listened to Doc's Free lecture entitled Naturopathy know how hard he comes down on SOY. There are whole books written about soy and how bad it is. Many believe it is healthy to eat soy. This is not true. Soy kicks in hormones. Has anyone out there noticed as we have children going into puberty at the early ages of 7, 8 and 9? Soy unbalances hormones in humans and is a nightmare when it comes to chickens and other livestock if they eat soy. Many human and pet foods have soy in them. Our recommendation is to stay away from all forms of Soy. Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared in the Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal. I recently came across the data below in Sally Fallon's book entitled Nourishing Traditions page 88. There was no reference to the year this was written. Regardless of when it was written, it is pretty scary."I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy on ruminants (cows, sheep, deer, antelope and their relatives). Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 years and have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves and reach hardly the age of 6. One main reason is the high percentage of soy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis and sterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identify the defective livers. The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first two lactations - is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achieved through it is not health promoting either . . . . If awake consumers, environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretely together in the future, there will not be any healthy farms and healthy foods." Again this is originally from Trauger Groh PPNF Health Journal.About 9 months ago, I purchased some 2 - 3 month old hens and was told they would be laying eggs in a few weeks. I began feeding them all organic sprouted grains. They received no soy and no commercial chicken food. After 2 months they had still not started to lay eggs. 3 months later they still were not laying eggs. Finally at about 6 to 7 months of age, my hens began laying. I am convinced that the delay was due to the lack of soy kicking in their hormones for early egg production. I believe that they are not only more healthy now but will live longer more productive lives. The chicks I raised from 3 days old received only organic food and they began laying at ages 5 to 6 months. I now have 1 rooster and 7 hens and most days my little darlings give me 7 wonderful, organic, fertile eggs !Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,Valorie Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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