Cholesterol

[Guest guest]

Came across this website, may help:

 

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hk/remedies/disp/1,1459,476,00.html

 

In addition, Milk Thistle is helpful in cleansing the liver as well

as the intake of " distilled " water.

 

Always check with one's personal physician ... ;}

 

There's also a book title " Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing "

worth checking out, and available at most bookstores (or Amazon).

 

~ Susan

[Guest guest]

I've looked into this myself. Red Rice Yeast is a product that claims to help

lower cholesterol. From what I've learned it works very much like the Staten

drugs (Lipitor), and should be monitored by a health care pro. Another idea is

the American Heart Association has cook books out that claim to help. Another

book is 8 weeks cholesterol cure or something like that, I think its by Weil.

 

I think it was Susan that suggested " Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing " --

I agree with her, its a great book to look stuff up in. They have some wonderful

suggestions.

 

Rita

 

 

Christa Maria <cmaria wrote:

My grandson's father came to me this morning to help him research.

He is 50 and has very high cholesterol up to 280, it run's in the

family, most male members did not survive past 52.

He has been on Lipitor, which did bring it down to 146, but the side

effects of muscle weakness in arms and legs where hard for him to

tolerate, he does physical labor, also he is aware of the effects on his

liver of this and all cholesterol lowering drugs.

I know what can help his liver, but except for massive amounts of

garlic, I am somewhat stumped as to how to bring the cholesterol down to

managing levels.

WE live in the boondocks, no good naturpath Doc around.

If anyone can point me to good research, I would appreciate it.

Thank you, c-M

 

 

 

 

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Hi Susan

Why " distilled " water " ??

 

Rita

 

" Susan K. W. " <greyloran1 wrote:

 

 

Came across this website, may help:

 

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hk/remedies/disp/1,1459,476,00.html

 

In addition, Milk Thistle is helpful in cleansing the liver as well

as the intake of " distilled " water.

 

Always check with one's personal physician ... ;}

 

There's also a book title " Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing "

worth checking out, and available at most bookstores (or Amazon).

 

~ Susan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi CM! Hope you are doing well!

 

My mom has been taking cholesterol medication as well. Her doctor put her

on Flax Seed Oil capsules and Omega 3 Fish Oil capsules to help bring down

her cholesterol as well.

 

Off the top of my head, I cannot remember the dosage of the two oil

capsules, but I will ask her tonight when she calls. (She always calls on

Saturday night!)

 

I don't know that it would be a 'substitute' for the cholesterol medication,

but it certainly wouldn't hurt to use them. Everyone can use some extra

Omega 3's in their diets!

 

I will get back to you with the dosage after I talk to her ok?

 

Talk to ya soon!

Candy in AL

-

" Christa Maria " <cmaria

 

Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:11 AM

Cholesterol

 

 

>

> My grandson's father came to me this morning to help him research.

> He is 50 and has very high cholesterol up to 280, it run's in the

> family, most male members did not survive past 52.

> He has been on Lipitor, which did bring it down to 146, but the side

> effects of muscle weakness in arms and legs where hard for him to

> tolerate, he does physical labor, also he is aware of the effects on his

> liver of this and all cholesterol lowering drugs.

> I know what can help his liver, but except for massive amounts of

> garlic, I am somewhat stumped as to how to bring the cholesterol down to

> managing levels.

> WE live in the boondocks, no good naturpath Doc around.

> If anyone can point me to good research, I would appreciate it.

> Thank you, c-M

 

 

 

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Hi all

I'd check with your health care provider before I started any " fish oil " My SO

is on Lipitor and was told NOT to take fish oil(which he was already on when he

started the Lipitor). Flax seed contains Omega 3 and that was ok for him to

take. His dr. is or was (we've moved so don't have the same doc) a real pill

pusher -- didn't care for him at all, but then my SO was already going to him

when we met.

 

Rita

 

" C. Lucas " <cdlucas wrote:

Hi CM! Hope you are doing well!

 

My mom has been taking cholesterol medication as well. Her doctor put her

on Flax Seed Oil capsules and Omega 3 Fish Oil capsules to help bring down

her cholesterol as well.

 

Off the top of my head, I cannot remember the dosage of the two oil

capsules, but I will ask her tonight when she calls. (She always calls on

Saturday night!)

 

I don't know that it would be a 'substitute' for the cholesterol medication,

but it certainly wouldn't hurt to use them. Everyone can use some extra

Omega 3's in their diets!

 

I will get back to you with the dosage after I talk to her ok?

 

Talk to ya soon!

Candy in AL

-

" Christa Maria " <cmaria

 

Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:11 AM

Cholesterol

 

 

>

> My grandson's father came to me this morning to help him research.

> He is 50 and has very high cholesterol up to 280, it run's in the

> family, most male members did not survive past 52.

> He has been on Lipitor, which did bring it down to 146, but the side

> effects of muscle weakness in arms and legs where hard for him to

> tolerate, he does physical labor, also he is aware of the effects on his

> liver of this and all cholesterol lowering drugs.

> I know what can help his liver, but except for massive amounts of

> garlic, I am somewhat stumped as to how to bring the cholesterol down to

> managing levels.

> WE live in the boondocks, no good naturpath Doc around.

> If anyone can point me to good research, I would appreciate it.

> Thank you, c-M

 

 

 

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Thanks, Candy..

 

 

 

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Rita,

 

Thanks for the info. I wonder why you can't take the fish oil, but you can

take the flax seed oil??? Both contain Omega 3's.....

 

Very curious indeed! I will tell my mom, and perhaps her doctor can shed

some light on that.

 

So, C-M....you might want to have him just take the flax seed oil, until we

find out more.

 

Seems really weird to me. HEY! Have him just to eat more fish! All

docs say we need to eat more fish. Seriously.....I will just have to

ask mom to talk to her doc.

 

Thanks again Rita.

Candy

 

-

" Rita Bohn " <ritabohn2001

 

Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:49 PM

Re: Cholesterol

 

 

>

> Hi all

> I'd check with your health care provider before I started any " fish oil "

> My SO is on Lipitor and was told NOT to take fish oil(which he was already

> on when he started the Lipitor). Flax seed contains Omega 3 and that was

> ok for him to take. His dr. is or was (we've moved so don't have the same

> doc) a real pill pusher -- didn't care for him at all, but then my SO was

> already going to him when we met.

>

> Rita

 

 

 

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Hi C-M

 

> My grandson's father came to me this morning to help him research.

> He is 50 and has very high cholesterol up to 280, it run's in the

> family, most male members did not survive past 52.

 

Wow, you must have a different measuring system there! Our levels in

Australia are deemed to be reasonably good up to about 5 I think and

anything above 7 is considered high.

 

> I know what can help his liver, but except for massive amounts of

> garlic, I am somewhat stumped as to how to bring the cholesterol down to

> managing levels.

 

I'm not sure what your grandson's father's diet consists of so the following

information may or may not be of help.

 

There is an excellent naturopath in Australia called Dorothy Hall, who is

now all but retired. I read one of her books about nutrition a few years

back and even though the book is now years old, much of the information

still makes sense.

 

What she says about cholesterol is that most people try to reduce their

cholesterol by cutting out fat almost entirely, which stimulates the body to

produce more cholesterol.

 

The key thing is to reduce saturated fat as much as possible, and replace it

with monounsaturated fat wherever possible. The Mediterranean diet follows

this principle (including lots of fresh vegetables and a glass or two of

wine each day) and the people there have the lowest incidence of heart

disease in the world, so there must be something in that.

 

Over the past few decades people have switched from eating butter to eating

margarine, which has hydrogenated oils and thereby introduces another set of

problems. It's only now we're learning in mainstream media about

trans-fatty acids and the danger they pose.

 

You can make a butter-like spread by gently melting equal quantities of

butter and blending it with olive oil. You can also substitute olive oil

for butter in most baking by using about 3/4 of the butter weight in olive

oil. I use it for everything except pastry - and although I've made it with

olive oil, the results aren't as good.

 

A good starting point is

 

<http://www.oliveoilsource.com/oliveoildr-heart.htm>

 

There are some links for further reading at the bottom of that page.

 

Hope this helps

 

Vicki

[Guest guest]

Another suggestion to lower cholesterol is oatmeal. I have heard that eating it

for 30 days significantly lowers the cholesterol level.

 

Personally, the only way I can handle oatmeal is oatmeal cookies (made with

artificial sweetener such as Splenda), made with dates and/or raisins. I

absolutely hate mushy oatmeal. Or sometimes, I will sprinkle oatmeal on my

cereal. (I lightly toast it first in the oven.)

 

Barb

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi CM,

My husband had mildly high cholesterol.

His GP wanted to put him on Lipitor last year. I ask her for the chance to

first work with diet and a few alternatives. My brother who died in January

was a pharmacist he mentioned that the taking Slo Niacin along with eating

Oatmeal at least 3 times a week may prove to be helpful. So we do those plus

added garlic

(oderless) capsules. My hubby will not eat alot of garlic. We have seen a

drop of

30 lbs. and 40 points in his Cholesterol.

Hope I shared some helpful information.

Sandi

[Guest guest]

This is funny - not the ha - ha, but the ironic funny - I was discussing this

with a dear friend of mine (she is on this list) this evening. First of all,

how much milk does he drink? If he drinks alot of it, it needs to be from an

organic, grass fed cow source that is NON HOMOGENIZED. All fats should be

naturally occurring fats- butter instead of margarine, no hydrogenated oils or

trans fats. Has he tried the 2 glasses of red wine per day? There are

compounds in red wine that help break down cholesterol and also it thins the

blood (which is an added benefit to someone prone to being on drugs to treat

high blood pressure.) What other medications is he on? These can artificially

raise any given component in the blood (one reason IMHO that most blood tests

are in accurate.) How much does he exercise? What does he eat? Is he over

weight (at all)? Does he use artificial sweeteners?

 

Of course, I am not a medical professional, I don't claim to be, but these are

things that I know can be beneficial. Just as a side note... My pop has been on

Lipitor for what I think is too damn long. For awhile he had " spells " where his

blood pressure would climb sky high (stroke range) and his pulse rate would

drop, causing him to literally pass out, plus his legs killed him, I mean HURT.

I blamed the drug Lipitor because I have read the PDR information on it, and ALL

his symptoms were mentioned. Of course it wasn't the drug, according to the

doc... Yeah, right. Whatever.

 

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mail - You care about security. So do we.

 

 

[Guest guest]

EPO - Evening Primrose Oil - is a great source of Omega 3's. Start out taking

small doses though, any of the oils may cause upset stomachs and diarreah

(spelling sorry)

'

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

Rita Bohn <ritabohn2001 wrote:

Hi all

I'd check with your health care provider before I started any " fish oil " My SO

is on Lipitor and was told NOT to take fish oil(which he was already on when he

started the Lipitor). Flax seed contains Omega 3 and that was ok for him to

take. His dr. is or was (we've moved so don't have the same doc) a real pill

pusher -- didn't care for him at all, but then my SO was already going to him

when we met.

 

Rita

 

" C. Lucas " <cdlucas wrote:

Hi CM! Hope you are doing well!

 

My mom has been taking cholesterol medication as well. Her doctor put her

on Flax Seed Oil capsules and Omega 3 Fish Oil capsules to help bring down

her cholesterol as well.

 

Off the top of my head, I cannot remember the dosage of the two oil

capsules, but I will ask her tonight when she calls. (She always calls on

Saturday night!)

 

I don't know that it would be a 'substitute' for the cholesterol medication,

but it certainly wouldn't hurt to use them. Everyone can use some extra

Omega 3's in their diets!

 

I will get back to you with the dosage after I talk to her ok?

 

Talk to ya soon!

Candy in AL

-

" Christa Maria " <cmaria

 

Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:11 AM

Cholesterol

 

 

>

> My grandson's father came to me this morning to help him research.

> He is 50 and has very high cholesterol up to 280, it run's in the

> family, most male members did not survive past 52.

> He has been on Lipitor, which did bring it down to 146, but the side

> effects of muscle weakness in arms and legs where hard for him to

> tolerate, he does physical labor, also he is aware of the effects on his

> liver of this and all cholesterol lowering drugs.

> I know what can help his liver, but except for massive amounts of

> garlic, I am somewhat stumped as to how to bring the cholesterol down to

> managing levels.

> WE live in the boondocks, no good naturpath Doc around.

> If anyone can point me to good research, I would appreciate it.

> Thank you, c-M

 

 

 

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Thank you al for those wonderful suggestions.

I know about oatmeal and garlic. Just don't know if people with celiac

disease ( gluten intolerance) can eat oatmeal. Have to check on that.

C-M

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jill -

 

>> plus his legs killed him, I mean HURT. I blamed the drug Lipitor<<<<

 

Boy - I can relate to the leg pain!! Sometimes mine cramp so badly I cant stand

up straight. I had this symptom when I first started Lipotor, and then it

abated, but recently (they've been terrible - I think its because I've been

spending a lot of time seated in the studio).

 

Ivy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jill,

Brian works very hard physically, I think he get's plenty of exercise,

he also works out, but has been about 20 lbs overweight since he quit

smoking. He is a reformed alcoholic, so wine is out.

I don't think he drinks much weight. C-M

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is what Hubbins takes with an MD's permission. 500 mg Non-flush

or Slo Miacin with a 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C twice daily.

 

He tried the drugs and the muscle pain was awful. Usually he takes

the above once a day, but last physical Doc said to increase it to

twice a day because the AMA (?) said that cholesterol levels should

be lower than previously thought.

 

At first the Dr. was leary of this regimen, but when he saw the slow

steady decline, he became a supporter. High cholestrol is genetic in

Hubbins family.

 

Hugs,

Buffy

 

 

> Thank you al for those wonderful suggestions.

I know about oatmeal and garlic. Just don't know if people with

[Guest guest]

Ivy,

 

If I remember correctly, the muscle pain in the legs is a side effect

of that class of drugs.

 

Also, eat plenty of chicken, fish,turkey, less beef and lots of

salads.

 

Hugs,

Buffy

 

Boy - I can relate to the leg pain!! Sometimes mine cramp so badly I

cant stand up straight. >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

 

Distilled water, because of its purity, is helpful in cleansing the

system because the minerals and so forth have been removed.

Pharmacies, when reconstituting medicines (like Amoxicillan), will

use only distilled water.

 

From what I understand, the liver, being a " cleansing " organ for the

body, absorbs pollutants and toxins from the environment and foods.

In doing its job, the liver can benefit from the added assistance of

more purified water, helping it eliminate toxins more effectively.

 

We live in the city and because there are so many pollutants, we buy

and drink predominantly distilled water (even the critters drink it).

 

It seems like a little something we can do to combat the daily damage!

 

~ Susan

 

 

 

 

, Rita Bohn <ritabohn2001>

wrote:

> Hi Susan

> Why " distilled " water " ??

>

> Rita

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the info. I forgot about pharmacies using distilled. We have a

well and still filter our water - to much junk from the farm land around us.

Rita

 

" Susan K. W. " <greyloran1 wrote:

 

 

Hi Rita,

 

Distilled water, because of its purity, is helpful in cleansing the

system because the minerals and so forth have been removed.

Pharmacies, when reconstituting medicines (like Amoxicillan), will

use only distilled water.

 

From what I understand, the liver, being a " cleansing " organ for the

body, absorbs pollutants and toxins from the environment and foods.

In doing its job, the liver can benefit from the added assistance of

more purified water, helping it eliminate toxins more effectively.

 

We live in the city and because there are so many pollutants, we buy

and drink predominantly distilled water (even the critters drink it).

 

It seems like a little something we can do to combat the daily damage!

 

~ Susan

 

 

 

 

, Rita Bohn <ritabohn2001>

wrote:

> Hi Susan

> Why " distilled " water " ??

>

> Rita

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Please visit Dr Jon Barron's wonderful website

for a great article on cholesterol, and how to

balance it.

 

Dr Jon wrote a book on the principles

of natural health. It is an excellent read.

I may even buy it from Amazon one of these days.

But is available free for the download on his

website, http://jonbarron.org

 

Ien in the Kootenays

 

 

[Guest guest]

<but last physical Doc said to increase it to

twice a day because the AMA (?) said that cholesterol levels should

be lower than previously thought>

 

Please read the alternative doctors on that topic.

Here is a place to start.

New Cholesterol Guidelines for Converting Healthy People into ...

New Cholesterol Guidelines for Converting Healthy People into Patients. By

Uffe Ravnskov author of The Cholesterol Myths. The National ...

www.mercola.com/2001/jun/23/cholesterol.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

 

Cholesterol Guidelines Fraught With Massive Conflict of Interest ...

Cholesterol Guidelines Fraught With Massive Conflict of Interest. The ...

public.

High cholesterol can be found in more than half of Americans. ...

www.mercola.com/2004/nov/6/cholesterol_guidelines.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar

pages

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Some of the big herbs that can reduce cholesterol are shan zha, jue ming zi

and red yeast rice. If you look in the back of John Chen's Pharmacology of

Chinese herbs book,

there are quite a few herbs which can help reduce cholesterol loads.

Pu Erh tea can also reduce cholesterol and triglycerides, mainly because

tannins bind to proteins and other lipids flushing them out of the body. My

guess is that TCM could see shan zha doing a similar action, since it is in

the food stagnation category...

Shan zha also moves blood and that may be an extension of this. For

instance, Tian Qi and other blood moving herbs may help reduce cholesterol

levels.

Cholesterol might be seen as phlegm, blocking the Heart orifices and

peripheral vessels. Maybe it's outcome is HT blood stasis.

Dan shen is another herb that may help, seen in this light.

 

I'd like to know if there's a CM distinction between HDL, LDL and

triglycerides and the herbs and acupoints that are distinctly used for each

one?

 

Thanks,

K.

 

 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Karen Adams <kradams1 wrote:

 

> Could someone offer a CM definition/description of cholesterol? Given

> the public awareness of the issue and the potential danger of the

> meds, I'd like to get a better handle on this (beyond my bias about

> the drugs).

> thanks

> Karen

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

aka Mu bong Lim

Father of Bhakti

 

The Four Reliances:

Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

meaning that underlies them.

Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

rely upon the definitive meaning.

And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Karen,

Phlegm is a product of unusable food. When food is digested well,

it becomes blood, jing, Qi ( they all nourish the body ). Some extra

parts of food are not usable will become dampness and phlegm.

Dampness can be used to lubricated skin, hair, orifices... But the

turbid dampness not nourishing the body can cause sickness such as

inflammation or edema....... Phlegm is a product of dampness when it

becomes dry or is heated ( such as a pond with water " dampness " , but

when it is drought, it becomes phlegm " dry pond " ). Most of the

time, dampness or phlegm appears because of medication, drugs, smoking

or from alcohol. THese things disturb the Liver funtionality ( smooth

flow, smooth Qi ). In TCM, Liver Qi makes sure all the roads (

meridians ) are clear and free of obstruction. Some interferences such

as drugs, alcohol or smoking will affect the Liver, Liver Qi. It

becomes erratic and wild. The smooth flow was damaged, everything will

be in confusion............ Qi and blood not flowing smoothly will not

nourish the body, it become dampness and phlegm. The phlegm here we

may call it the cholesterol.

Look at another way, the Liver does make HDL and LDL (

cholesterols ), thick and bad cholesterol we call it LDL, thin or

liquid or good cholesterol we call HDL. THe thin, liquid or good

cholesterol in TCM, we call it Qi and blood. LDL, we call it dampness

or phlegm............. But we do not only blame at the Liver as the

source of phlegm ( tha maker ), we also blame at digestive system (

Spleen and Stomach- food and drink ).

TCM, Phlegm is not a disease, but it is a signal of some

disturbancies or disharmonies. If there is a dizziness, or vertigo, it

s root at the liver. If stomach ache, abdominal pain, diarrhea,

constipation, it is Stomach and Spleen ( digestive system )

disordered. If insomnia, irritable, chest pain, it may be the

heart.................... Even though phlegm or no phlegm existed.

Same thing, high cholesterol may cause high blood pressure or

stroke,but no cholesterol does not mean no high blood pressure nor no

stroke......... But it does mean something is wrong with digestive

system, especially the liver.

 

I hope this message would help.

 

Nam Nguyen

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In Chinese Medicine , " Karen Adams "

<kradams1 wrote:

>

> Could someone offer a CM definition/description of cholesterol? Given

> the public awareness of the issue and the potential danger of the

> meds, I'd like to get a better handle on this (beyond my bias about

> the drugs).

> thanks

> Karen

>

[Guest guest]

Karen,

 

 

 

This is no small answer, but Greg Livingston has an excellent concise and

clear ONLINE CEU course on the subject. (I forget where, but I am sure if

you do a search it will come up).

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Karen

Adams

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:56 PM

Chinese Medicine

cholesterol

 

 

 

Could someone offer a CM definition/description of cholesterol? Given

the public awareness of the issue and the potential danger of the

meds, I'd like to get a better handle on this (beyond my bias about

the drugs).

thanks

Karen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Maybe If I refine the question a bit (and Dr Nam has weighed in with one

view, thanks): what is cholesterol in CM terms? Any general ideas

about how it becomes an issue - if it even is an issue?

thanks, Jason, I will check out Greg's site.

Karen

 

wrote:

 

> Karen,

>

> This is no small answer, but Greg Livingston has an excellent concise and

> clear ONLINE CEU course on the subject. (I forget where, but I am sure if

> you do a search it will come up).

>

> -Jason

>

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> [Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of

> Karen

> Adams

> Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:56 PM

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> cholesterol

>

> Could someone offer a CM definition/description of cholesterol? Given

> the public awareness of the issue and the potential danger of the

> meds, I'd like to get a better handle on this (beyond my bias about

> the drugs).

> thanks

> Karen

>

>