Vaccinated against the mothers will.

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Too late. I would not have had a child in the hospital.

About the only thing you can do now is tell folks the truth about hospitals.

My advice would be to get a lawyer and sue the bastards but that's probably too expensive.

I'm furious now that I've read your story and you have every right to be hopping mad.

About all you can do is scream to the world so other mothers don't put trust in the medical business.

Mothers would be better off having there babies in a hay barn by themselves than in a hospital with the jackals.

Did you know that midwifery is illegal in North Carolina. That's right grandmothers. You would be arrested for helping your daughter give birth in her home here in the USA.

My wife and I had to go out of state to have our little girl. We refused to have our baby in a hospital even though it is law where we live

 

I scream FREEDOM

 

I'm a young American and I feel like I was not born in the land of the free.

Am I the only one who is outraged to read the below of how a baby was vaccinated against mama's will?

 

 

On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:29 +0000, pray333 wrote:

 

My Daughter had a baby girl at Kennesaw Hospital on this end of January.When she went in, she was overdue for about a week and she was induced to labor.Before the process of cause they asked her some questions in orderto fill up the paperwork.One of the questions was about the vaccination and she said clear that she doesn't want her baby to be vaccinated.Oh, well as she got home she looked in her Hospital papers and she discovered that they vaccinated the baby anyway. She is wondering what is the point of questioning her if she wants the vaccine for her baby or not, because they gave the shot inspite of. She is very furious but she doesn't know what to do about it who to talk to and what kind of rights she has.Is anybody in this group can give me someadvise in this situation that I can advise her?I myself am very much against the vaccination of any kind.When she was a kid I never vaccinated her and she went trough college without,and she is in perfecthealth.Finaly I convinced her no to vaccinate my grand children and I am just as furios on the medical personel that they ignored her answers.I appreciate all your coments. In Health, Rodica

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You WEREN'T born in the "Land of the Free" and certainly not in the "home of anybody who is brave"!!! Everybody is a coward when it comes to standing up against the government. I guess you can't blame them.... the govt. punishes you hard if you disobey.

 

However, if you know the laws, you can put up a good fight, enough so the government bureaucrats will leave you alone. (They see you as wasting their "valuable time" that could be better spent skinning some other less knowledgable sheep.)

 

There are legal exemptions in every state for vaccinations... (including NC I think), and it takes a bit of work, (affidavits of fact and truth recorded, certified and noticed to the state govt and schools).. plus filling out the exemption forms. The govt employees will "regurgitate the party line" that they've been taught and tell you that you HAVE NO recourse, and unless you KNOW that you do, and how to access it.. they will have you believeing that you will "go to jail" if you disobey them. NOT~!

N.--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Bryan Shillington <bryanshillington wrote:

Bryan Shillington <bryanshillington{Herbal Remedies} Vaccinated against the mothers will.herbal remedies Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 10:37 AM

 

 

Too late. I would not have had a child in the hospital.About the only thing you can do now is tell folks the truth about hospitals. My advice would be to get a lawyer and sue the bastards but that's probably too expensive. I'm furious now that I've read your story and you have every right to be hopping mad.About all you can do is scream to the world so other mothers don't put trust in the medical business.Mothers would be better off having there babies in a hay barn by themselves than in a hospital with the jackals. Did you know that midwifery is illegal in North Carolina. That's right grandmothers. You would be arrested for helping your daughter give birth in her home here in the USA.My wife and I had to go out of state to have our little girl. We refused to have our baby in a hospital even though it is law where we liveI scream FREEDOMI'm a young American and I feel like I was not

born in the land of the free.Am I the only one who is outraged to read the below of how a baby was vaccinated against mama's will?On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:29 +0000, pray333 wrote: My Daughter had a baby girl at Kennesaw Hospital on this end of January.When she went in, she was overdue for about a week and she was induced to labor.Before the process of cause they asked her some questions in orderto fill up the paperwork.One of the questions was about the vaccination and she said clear that she doesn't want her baby to be vaccinated.Oh, well as she got home she looked in her Hospital papers and she discovered that they vaccinated the baby anyway. She is wondering what is the point of questioning her if she wants the vaccine for her baby or not, because they gave the shot inspite of. She is very furious but she doesn't know what to do about it who to talk to and what kind of rights she has.Is anybody in this group can give me someadvise in this situation that I can advise her?I myself am very much against the vaccination of any kind.When she was a kid I never vaccinated her and she went trough college

without,and she is in perfecthealth. Finaly I convinced her no to vaccinate my grand children and I am just as furios on the medical personel that they ignored her answers.I appreciate all your coments. In Health, Rodica

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No you are not the only one. There is a reason why I had my baby at

home by myself. One baby in the hospital was enough for me. It takes

a lot more responsibility, but in the end it is so much more

liberating to be in charge of your own health care in ALL areas.

Truly liberating!

 

The problem with a law suit is the definition of medical malpractice

is doing anything outside of the norm. That is right folks, everyone

is doing it. Go jump off the bridge too!

 

There is SO much wrong with birth in the hospitals right now I can't

even begin to go into it. Just know that if you plan to have a baby

in the hospital, your husband or doula needs to be assigned to watch

the baby every second. No alone trips to the nursery or they will do

things like vaccinate. (The hep B vaccine is ONLY so they don't have

to handle the baby with gloves. It is easier for them not to have to

bother.) Be aware that even doing this, they STILL will ignore what

you say!

 

When Tatiana was born, my husband told the OB not to clamp the cord.

Clamp. " I don't see the big deal with early cord clamping. " The hole

in Tatiana's heart didn't close when it was supposed to due to low

blood supply caused by the early cord clamping. It did eventually

close, but when it takes that long to close it is considered a

permanent heart defect. They docs wouldn't take responsibility for

that either. After all, it is the norm to clamp the cord that early.

That is why we paid them the big bucks.

Ramona

 

Quoting Bryan Shillington <bryanshillington:

 

> Too late. I would not have had a child in the hospital.

> About the only thing you can do now is tell folks the truth about

> hospitals.

> My advice would be to get a lawyer and sue the bastards but that's

> probably too expensive.

> I'm furious now that I've read your story and you have every right to be

> hopping mad.

> About all you can do is scream to the world so other mothers don't put

> trust in the medical business.

> Mothers would be better off having there babies in a hay barn by

> themselves than in a hospital with the jackals.

> Did you know that midwifery is illegal in North Carolina. That's right

> grandmothers. You would be arrested for helping your daughter give birth

> in her home here in the USA.

> My wife and I had to go out of state to have our little girl. We refused

> to have our baby in a hospital even though it is law where we live

>

> I scream FREEDOM

>

> I'm a young American and I feel like I was not born in the land of the

> free.

> Am I the only one who is outraged to read the below of how a baby was

> vaccinated against mama's will?

>

>

> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:29 +0000, pray333 wrote:

>> My Daughter had a baby girl at Kennesaw Hospital on this end of

>> January.When she went in, she was overdue for about a week and she was

>> induced to labor.Before the process of cause they asked her some

>> questions in orderto fill up the paperwork.One of the questions was

>> about the vaccination and she said clear that she doesn't want her

>> baby to be vaccinated.Oh, well as she got home she looked in her

>> Hospital papers and she discovered that they vaccinated the baby

>> anyway. She is wondering what is the point of questioning her if she

>> wants the vaccine for her baby or not, because they gave the shot

>> inspite of. She is very furious but she doesn't know what to do about

>> it who to talk to and what kind of rights she has.Is anybody in this

>> group can give me someadvise in this situation that I can advise her?I

>> myself am very much against the vaccination of any kind.When she was a

>> kid I never vaccinated her and she went trough college without,and she

>> is in perfecthealth.Finaly I convinced her no to vaccinate my grand

>> children and I am just as furios on the medical personel that they

>> ignored her answers.I appreciate all your coments. In Health, Rodica

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

 

 

 

" Live in faith, not fear. "

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Bryan,

 

It may be illegal in NC to use a midwife, but how would it have been illegal for your wife to have had her baby at home "unassisted"? We have the constitutional right to self treat/medicate. But good for you that you went out of state in order to have the freedoms you should have. I would write my state rep/senator/and governor and let them know that you are against their restrictive and outdated laws and that you were enforced to go out of state in order to have your child, therefore, their laws/rules are a burden and do not stop those who wish to home birth to do so. It may bring this issue to light in a good way so that these laws are rewritten to be in favor of the women who are the ones these laws harm.

It is maddening that the hospital vaccinated against the mother's wishes, that is why IF you do have a baby in the hospital that you spell out very clearly to the attending physician that your baby belongs to you and that that child is not to be out of your arms or room for any reason at any time without you or your spouse present so that you can protect your baby from any unlawful activities. There is no reason why a mother and baby should ever be separated after birth while in the hospital. If the reason they use is that the baby must be checked out and "tested", then you tell them the nurse can "test" the baby in your room with you present or you will go to the nursery with your baby so they can check out your child.

At the local hospital here they are very rough on the newborns (which totally p*ss*d me off as I saw one of my grandbabies being abused by a nurse (they have a window so that family members can watch these babies being abused). The newborns are flopped around roughly (while naked) as the nurse checks their vitals and their reflexes, and then the baby's wrists are folded over and backward while the baby screams their heads off. There is absolutely no reasonable reason to give that a child should have their wrists folded over (you can actually see the wrists going out of socket and back in!). It almost made me sick to watch this as I was horrified by it all. I have 8 kids, 6 of whom were born at home, and I can assure you that we did nothing rough or hurtful to our babies.

Parents, remember, you are the parents! You are the ones in control. You are the ones paying (hiring) doctors. They work for you, you do not work for them. Your children belong to you, not the hospital, the doctor, or the state. You have the right to make all decisions concerning your child. This not only applies when they are born, but also when registered in a school, a church program, or anywhere else. Do not allow others to abuse your rights with your children. Be proactive.

 

Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto

 

herbal remedies From: bryanshillingtonDate: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:04 -0400{Herbal Remedies} Vaccinated against the mothers will.

 

 

 

Too late. I would not have had a child in the hospital.About the only thing you can do now is tell folks the truth about hospitals. My advice would be to get a lawyer and sue the bastards but that's probably too expensive. I'm furious now that I've read your story and you have every right to be hopping mad.About all you can do is scream to the world so other mothers don't put trust in the medical business.Mothers would be better off having there babies in a hay barn by themselves than in a hospital with the jackals. Did you know that midwifery is illegal in North Carolina. That's right grandmothers. You would be arrested for helping your daughter give birth in her home here in the USA.My wife and I had to go out of state to have our little girl. We refused to have our baby in a hospital even though it is law where we liveI scream FREEDOMI'm a young American and I feel like I was not born in the land of the free.Am I the only one who is outraged to read the below of how a baby was vaccinated against mama's will?On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:29 +0000, pray333 wrote: My Daughter had a baby girl at Kennesaw Hospital on this end of January.When she went in, she was overdue for about a week and she was induced to labor.Before the process of cause they asked her some questions in orderto fill up the paperwork.One of the questions was about the vaccination and she said clear that she doesn't want her baby to be vaccinated.Oh, well as she got home she looked in her Hospital papers and she discovered that they vaccinated the baby anyway. She is wondering what is the point of questioning her if she wants the vaccine for her baby or not, because they gave the shot inspite of. She is very furious but she doesn't know what to do about it who to talk to and what kind of rights she has.Is anybody in this group can give me someadvise in this situation that I can advise her?I myself am very much against the vaccination of any kind.When she was a kid I never vaccinated her and she went trough college without,and she is in perfecthealth.Finaly I convinced her no to vaccinate my grand children and I am just as furios on the medical personel that they ignored her answers.I appreciate all your coments. In Health, Rodica

 

 

 

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Hi Ramona,

 

I hope when you had your next child (after that child was safely born) that you sent a letter to this idiot doctor explaining the ins and outs of allowing babies to have ALL cord blood before clamping, and then I would have congratulated him for being responsible for my home birth and to thank him for giving me the impetus to take my own care into my own hands because of his irresponsible and blatant disrespect of my wishes and care of my child. If enough women began to speak up who choose to home birth, then maybe these morons will get the picture, though I doubt it. The way they rip women off who are having a baby is criminal. They charge anywhere from $8,000-$12,000 (in Ohio) per child per delivery (sans problems), and we all know it doesn't even come close to costing this much. Doctors have become the new (legal) robber barons. What kills me is how many people are abused by their doctors and then thank these doctors for their care!!! Eeekkk!!! Scary!

 

Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto

 

herbal remedies From: ramonaDate: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:27:30 -0500Re: {Herbal Remedies} Vaccinated against the mothers will.

 

 

 

No you are not the only one. There is a reason why I had my baby at home by myself. One baby in the hospital was enough for me. It takes a lot more responsibility, but in the end it is so much more liberating to be in charge of your own health care in ALL areas. Truly liberating!The problem with a law suit is the definition of medical malpractice is doing anything outside of the norm. That is right folks, everyone is doing it. Go jump off the bridge too!There is SO much wrong with birth in the hospitals right now I can't even begin to go into it. Just know that if you plan to have a baby in the hospital, your husband or doula needs to be assigned to watch the baby every second. No alone trips to the nursery or they will do things like vaccinate. (The hep B vaccine is ONLY so they don't have to handle the baby with gloves. It is easier for them not to have to bother.) Be aware that even doing this, they STILL will ignore what you say!When Tatiana was born, my husband told the OB not to clamp the cord. Clamp. "I don't see the big deal with early cord clamping." The hole in Tatiana's heart didn't close when it was supposed to due to low blood supply caused by the early cord clamping. It did eventually close, but when it takes that long to close it is considered a permanent heart defect. They docs wouldn't take responsibility for that either. After all, it is the norm to clamp the cord that early. That is why we paid them the big bucks.RamonaQuoting Bryan Shillington <bryanshillington (AT) cabletvonline (DOT) net>:> Too late. I would not have had a child in the hospital.> About the only thing you can do now is tell folks the truth about> hospitals.> My advice would be to get a lawyer and sue the bastards but that's> probably too expensive.> I'm furious now that I've read your story and you have every right to be> hopping mad.> About all you can do is scream to the world so other mothers don't put> trust in the medical business.> Mothers would be better off having there babies in a hay barn by> themselves than in a hospital with the jackals.> Did you know that midwifery is illegal in North Carolina. That's right> grandmothers. You would be arrested for helping your daughter give birth> in her home here in the USA.> My wife and I had to go out of state to have our little girl. We refused> to have our baby in a hospital even though it is law where we live>> I scream FREEDOM>> I'm a young American and I feel like I was not born in the land of the> free.> Am I the only one who is outraged to read the below of how a baby was> vaccinated against mama's will?>>> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:29 +0000, pray333 wrote:>> My Daughter had a baby girl at Kennesaw Hospital on this end of>> January.When she went in, she was overdue for about a week and she was>> induced to labor.Before the process of cause they asked her some>> questions in orderto fill up the paperwork.One of the questions was>> about the vaccination and she said clear that she doesn't want her>> baby to be vaccinated.Oh, well as she got home she looked in her>> Hospital papers and she discovered that they vaccinated the baby>> anyway. She is wondering what is the point of questioning her if she>> wants the vaccine for her baby or not, because they gave the shot>> inspite of. She is very furious but she doesn't know what to do about>> it who to talk to and what kind of rights she has.Is anybody in this>> group can give me someadvise in this situation that I can advise her?I>> myself am very much against the vaccination of any kind.When she was a>> kid I never vaccinated her and she went trough college without,and she>> is in perfecthealth.Finaly I convinced her no to vaccinate my grand>> children and I am just as furios on the medical personel that they>> ignored her answers.I appreciate all your coments. In Health, Rodica>>>>>>>>>>>>"Live in faith, not fear."

 

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Oh, well as she got home she looked in her>> Hospital papers and she discovered that they vaccinated the baby>> anyway.

 

They vaccinate newborns now? Sigh. It is getting crazier all the time. I am not necessarily against all vaccinations, but the insane onslaught on tiny immature systems just cannot be right.