Loss of Parental Rights in Public Schools!

[Guest guest]

Hi guys!

 

I have noticed all the posts about homeschooling and am seriously

considering it myself! I really think its a fabulous idea. There are

many reasons why I am considering it. For one I really don't agree

with the idea that my kids will be made to get shots before they can

attend school. There are other reasons but the most recent one really

gets under my skin.

 

Here within the past week I have recieved a letter stating that my

daughter has missed too many days from school that were " unexcused "

and therefore the school has referred her to the county's " truancy

program " . I wasn't all too sure what this was so I called the truancy

officer and asked him. Apparently my daughter will have to report

every week to this law enforcement officer and he will have to call

every night to make sure she is home by the curfew he gives her. He

will also be checking in on her grades and attendance at school. So

basically she is being put on parole. Not to mention, this program

costs money which she (I) will have to pay for.

 

Now this would be all fine and dandy if say she were skipping school

and smoking cigarettes behind the store across the street like I was

when I was her age but thats not the case. I called the school and

explained the situation, that I was aware of the days she missed and

that they were for illnesses, appointments and other legitimate

reasons. I explained that there were a few days that I forgot to call

in for her and there were a few others when thier phone system was

malfuntioning and I couldnt get through to the school. It didnt

matter. They said that once they file the paperwork it has to go

through. They cant take it back.

 

Here's the " kicker " . It specifically states in the letter that this

program is completely voluntary, however.... if you refuse to comply

with the program then your " case " will be filed with the district

attorney (is that the right guy?) and it will go to court before a

judge. Will someone please be kind enough to explain to me how that

is considered voluntary???

 

So basically what is happening here is that my 13 year old is being

punished for staying home from school like her mother told her to do.

This is what the school system has come to? I'm not even allowed to

keep my child home if I feel its appropriate???

 

I have to say, the truancy officer I spoke to was extremely

respectful and nice. He seemed that he understood my dilema but there

was nothing he could do. I asked him what would happen if I just

pulled her out of school and homeschooled her. He said it was

perfectly ok to do that but he didnt think we could make it work, us

having five children and both my husband and I working. He said it

would take too much time and that you need a stay at home parent.

 

I swear, every since we moved here a little less than a year ago, the

schools right along with every other " official " in this town have

tried desperately to stick their big fat nose in my families business

and gain some degree of control. For example, I have had the SRS at

my house several times because the school calling them to report a

bruise or something on my son. I tried to explain to them that

sometimes when 9 year olds get their lazy butts out from in front of

the TV and actually get out into that bright light called the

sunshine and play, that things sometimes happen like falls and

bruises here and there. It's becoming extremely hard to remain

respectful to the school employees these days. Another time the

school called the state because my son told them that he was scared

to come home. Turned out in the end that he didnt want to do his

chores (picking up the living room). I kid you not, that state lady

sat right here in my house and actually reprimanded me saying I

needed to come up with more age appropriate chores for a 9 year old.

Yes you heard me right, he's 9... and unable to pick up the living

room apparently.

 

Anyway, I dont mean to vent. I was wandering if it really is a

possibility to homeschool 5 kids even if there are 2 full time jobs

in the house?

 

Whew! Thanks for listening everyone!

 

River

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry for this mess. I'm a trained and certified teacher who uhm refuses to teach. It's just as horrible for the actual teachers now a days. The school board tells us what to teach and how to teach it and no child left behind means we have no recourse if a student never turns in homework or anything else. I did my student teaching and ended up on stomach medication it was so stressful. Out of 30 students I had 2 that actually read the books, not to mention how do I file 28 failing grades, and than wave the students on to the next year of school? Parents seem to be in the same boat I see with the government telling them what to do and how to do it and than giving them no way in which to accomplish it. If you try and home school I imagine 1 your kids will be better educated than the current system could ever hope and 2 chances are you will

need to have a parent at home. The rules for home schooling are the same for regular school. The student(s) have to pass board certified tests ect ect. Rayne.--- On Fri, 1/9/09, river_willow76 <river_willow76 wrote:river_willow76 <river_willow76{Herbal Remedies} Loss of Parental Rights in Public Schools!herbal remedies Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:07 AM

 

Hi guys!

 

I have noticed all the posts about homeschooling and am seriously

considering it myself! I really think its a fabulous idea. There are

many reasons why I am considering it. For one I really don't agree

with the idea that my kids will be made to get shots before they can

attend school. There are other reasons but the most recent one really

gets under my skin.

 

Here within the past week I have recieved a letter stating that my

daughter has missed too many days from school that were "unexcused"

and therefore the school has referred her to the county's "truancy

program". I wasn't all too sure what this was so I called the truancy

officer and asked him. Apparently my daughter will have to report

every week to this law enforcement officer and he will have to call

every night to make sure she is home by the curfew he gives her. He

will also be checking in on her grades and attendance at school. So

basically she is being put on parole. Not to mention, this program

costs money which she (I) will have to pay for.

 

Now this would be all fine and dandy if say she were skipping school

and smoking cigarettes behind the store across the street like I was

when I was her age but thats not the case. I called the school and

explained the situation, that I was aware of the days she missed and

that they were for illnesses, appointments and other legitimate

reasons. I explained that there were a few days that I forgot to call

in for her and there were a few others when thier phone system was

malfuntioning and I couldnt get through to the school. It didnt

matter. They said that once they file the paperwork it has to go

through. They cant take it back.

 

Here's the "kicker". It specifically states in the letter that this

program is completely voluntary, however.... if you refuse to comply

with the program then your "case" will be filed with the district

attorney (is that the right guy?) and it will go to court before a

judge. Will someone please be kind enough to explain to me how that

is considered voluntary???

 

So basically what is happening here is that my 13 year old is being

punished for staying home from school like her mother told her to do.

This is what the school system has come to? I'm not even allowed to

keep my child home if I feel its appropriate? ??

 

I have to say, the truancy officer I spoke to was extremely

respectful and nice. He seemed that he understood my dilema but there

was nothing he could do. I asked him what would happen if I just

pulled her out of school and homeschooled her. He said it was

perfectly ok to do that but he didnt think we could make it work, us

having five children and both my husband and I working. He said it

would take too much time and that you need a stay at home parent.

 

I swear, every since we moved here a little less than a year ago, the

schools right along with every other "official" in this town have

tried desperately to stick their big fat nose in my families business

and gain some degree of control. For example, I have had the SRS at

my house several times because the school calling them to report a

bruise or something on my son. I tried to explain to them that

sometimes when 9 year olds get their lazy butts out from in front of

the TV and actually get out into that bright light called the

sunshine and play, that things sometimes happen like falls and

bruises here and there. It's becoming extremely hard to remain

respectful to the school employees these days. Another time the

school called the state because my son told them that he was scared

to come home. Turned out in the end that he didnt want to do his

chores (picking up the living room). I kid you not, that state lady

sat right here in my house and actually reprimanded me saying I

needed to come up with more age appropriate chores for a 9 year old.

Yes you heard me right, he's 9... and unable to pick up the living

room apparently.

 

Anyway, I dont mean to vent. I was wandering if it really is a

possibility to homeschool 5 kids even if there are 2 full time jobs

in the house?

 

Whew! Thanks for listening everyone!

 

River

[Guest guest]

Can you home school when both parents have full-time jobs? - It depends partially on the student(s) and the working hours.It is difficult to be taught when no one is there. On the other hand, if the unsupervised time is limited, say that one spouse works from 6am to 3, and the other works noon to 9, that means that there are only a few hours of unsupervised time.In homeschooling, you can get more done in 3 or 4 hours than a public school gets done in a day, but it does take time and discipline.My 9-year old, needs regular reminders to get his stuff done, but my 14-year old works nearly independently., my 17-year old takes her classes at the community college. To effectively school each of them takes a different amount of effort. On the other hand, as they learn,

they start to become more independent, and discover more on their own.As to the immunizations, we have taken religious exemptions for those, and that has worked for the most part. Our 12-year old is autistic, and in retrospect, we believe that the thimerosol-laced immunizations at a very young age were at least a major contributor or trigger. Our 9-year old got his immunizations and started showing signs of autism immediately - it took him 3 years to recover. Our 4-year old has not had any immunizations. Some people have asked me how it's a religious exemption to not get immunizations, and I tell them that I don't believe in damaging my children, and I have had experience with the immunizations doing exactly that.-Dougriver_willow76 <river_willow76herbal remedies Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 2:07:59 AM{Herbal Remedies} Loss of Parental Rights in Public Schools!

 

Hi guys!

 

I have noticed all the posts about homeschooling and am seriously

considering it myself! I really think its a fabulous idea. There are

many reasons why I am considering it. For one I really don't agree

with the idea that my kids will be made to get shots before they can

attend school. There are other reasons but the most recent one really

gets under my skin.

 

Here within the past week I have recieved a letter stating that my

daughter has missed too many days from school that were "unexcused"

and therefore the school has referred her to the county's "truancy

program". I wasn't all too sure what this was so I called the truancy

officer and asked him. Apparently my daughter will have to report

every week to this law enforcement officer and he will have to call

every night to make sure she is home by the curfew he gives her. He

will also be checking in on her grades and attendance at school. So

basically she is being put on parole. Not to mention, this program

costs money which she (I) will have to pay for.

 

Now this would be all fine and dandy if say she were skipping school

and smoking cigarettes behind the store across the street like I was

when I was her age but thats not the case. I called the school and

explained the situation, that I was aware of the days she missed and

that they were for illnesses, appointments and other legitimate

reasons. I explained that there were a few days that I forgot to call

in for her and there were a few others when thier phone system was

malfuntioning and I couldnt get through to the school. It didnt

matter. They said that once they file the paperwork it has to go

through. They cant take it back.

 

Here's the "kicker". It specifically states in the letter that this

program is completely voluntary, however.... if you refuse to comply

with the program then your "case" will be filed with the district

attorney (is that the right guy?) and it will go to court before a

judge. Will someone please be kind enough to explain to me how that

is considered voluntary???

 

So basically what is happening here is that my 13 year old is being

punished for staying home from school like her mother told her to do.

This is what the school system has come to? I'm not even allowed to

keep my child home if I feel its appropriate? ??

 

I have to say, the truancy officer I spoke to was extremely

respectful and nice. He seemed that he understood my dilema but there

was nothing he could do. I asked him what would happen if I just

pulled her out of school and homeschooled her. He said it was

perfectly ok to do that but he didnt think we could make it work, us

having five children and both my husband and I working. He said it

would take too much time and that you need a stay at home parent.

 

I swear, every since we moved here a little less than a year ago, the

schools right along with every other "official" in this town have

tried desperately to stick their big fat nose in my families business

and gain some degree of control. For example, I have had the SRS at

my house several times because the school calling them to report a

bruise or something on my son. I tried to explain to them that

sometimes when 9 year olds get their lazy butts out from in front of

the TV and actually get out into that bright light called the

sunshine and play, that things sometimes happen like falls and

bruises here and there. It's becoming extremely hard to remain

respectful to the school employees these days. Another time the

school called the state because my son told them that he was scared

to come home. Turned out in the end that he didnt want to do his

chores (picking up the living room). I kid you not, that state lady

sat right here in my house and actually reprimanded me saying I

needed to come up with more age appropriate chores for a 9 year old.

Yes you heard me right, he's 9... and unable to pick up the living

room apparently.

 

Anyway, I dont mean to vent. I was wandering if it really is a

possibility to homeschool 5 kids even if there are 2 full time jobs

in the house?

 

Whew! Thanks for listening everyone!

 

River

[Guest guest]

Molly was taught alone, but I worked full time and so did her Dad. We

would go over the assignments in the evenings, then she did her

paperwork wile I was at school during the day. That evening we would

check it, and go over the next days assignment. She was an easy learner

and self-motivated.

 

Rayne said you have to take standardized test, but that is only true in

some states. In others, like Michigan and Minnesota, there are no

testing requirements.

 

It is only going to get worse. Read this

and contact your representatives today to tell them to vote NO on

ratification of the UN Convention on the rights of children.

-- ~~~~Jaynee~~~~

Don't blame me, I voted McCain/Palin

[Guest guest]

Could you please tell me what CRC is? I've attempted to look it up and come up with everything BUT what you are talking about. Rayne.--- On Fri, 1/9/09, Jaynee and/or Rich <richandjaynee wrote:Jaynee and/or Rich <richandjayneeRe: {Herbal Remedies} Loss of Parental Rights in Public Schools!herbal remedies Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:36 PM

 

 

Molly was taught alone, but I worked full time and so did her Dad. We

would go over the assignments in the evenings, then she did her

paperwork wile I was at school during the day. That evening we would

check it, and go over the next days assignment. She was an easy learner

and self-motivated.

 

Rayne said you have to take standardized test, but that is only true in

some states. In others, like Michigan and Minnesota, there are no

testing requirements.

 

It is only going to get worse. Read this

and contact your representatives today to tell them to vote NO on

ratification of the UN Convention on the rights of children.

-- ~~~~Jaynee~~ ~~Don't blame me, I voted McCain/Palin

[Guest guest]

Rayne Saltair wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could you please tell me what CRC is? I've attempted to

look it up and come up with everything BUT what you are talking about.

Rayne.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are some links:

Wikipedia

(not always the best source)

HSLDA

UNICEF

 

.... for a start. On the surface, all seems great, but understand that

giving the child the right to rebel against any of the parent's

training, as a child. For example, "The Convention also

acknowledges that children have the right to

express their opinions and to have those opinions heard and acted upon

when appropriate, to be protected from abuse or exploitation,

to have their privacy protected and requires that their lives

not be subject to excessive interference." Parents, under this clause,

would not be able to demand chores or to order compliance of rules, if

the child thought it was abusive or interference. The state can make

decisions, not the parents.

 

Just read and be careful. Read between the lines.... we know how the

government works against us!

 

-- ~~~~Jaynee~~~~

Don't blame me, I voted McCain/Palin

[Guest guest]

these moral reprobates who have the gall to describe themselves as "protectors" of kids are by and large bureaucratic( unelected and immoral ) parasites.

 

There is a quote that one of the founding fathers used to describe another who he found to be an enemy of freedom. "I pray for his imminent demise"

 

I can strongly relate to that sentiment.

 

These people are practicing extra legal bureaucratic terrorism and often are themselves violating the law.

 

I would suggest that you find an attorney who practices law under Christian principles and protects family/parental rights.

 

During the divorce I went through 15 years ago in Spokane Wa. I went through some of this horse shi.... with the school counselor who presumed that i was abusive because

1. I am male

2. I am muscular

3. my x implied that I was "dangerous"

 

the school counselor went forward and made an attack on my parental rights and I did some research.

 

In Wa state... there is a law called the Uniform Information Access Act... which

DEMANDS that a counselor provide information to a parent on request/demand Unless there is a specific judges order to the contrary.

 

I phoned the director of the counseling services in Spokane and PROMISED that I would keep them in court for a decade and RUIN THEM AND THEIR WORTHLESS REPUTATIONS if the counselor did not keep away from my son.

 

She was shocked and intimidated by my correct knowledge of the law.

 

I was NOT BLUFFING. and in fact would have gone after all of them for their outrageous abuses.

 

 

end of the story...years later... My son came to live with me

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.. because the other house was both

emotionally and physically abusive to him..

He filed no contact orders to be left 100% alone, and to this day... he is nearly 21 now and just entered the military, he and I have an absolutely wonderful loving and amazingly enjoyable relationship.

 

IF you ask the right questons you finally get the right answers.

 

I have to wonder the way they are administering this "voluntary program" if they are not possibly due for a HUGE CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT FILED AGAINST THEM.

 

Mike T.

[Guest guest]

Testing is not required in all states. Some states (like mine) only require bare bones minimum attendance records.

 

-------------- Original message -------------- Rayne Saltair <raynesaltair1

 

 

 

 

 

I'm so sorry for this mess. I'm a trained and certified teacher who uhm refuses to teach. It's just as horrible for the actual teachers now a days. The school board tells us what to teach and how to teach it and no child left behind means we have no recourse if a student never turns in homework or anything else. I did my student teaching and ended up on stomach medication it was so stressful. Out of 30 students I had 2 that actually read the books, not to mention how do I file 28 failing grades, and than wave the students on to the next year of school? Parents seem to be in the same boat I see with the government telling them what to do and how to do it and than giving them no way in which to accomplish it. If you try and home school I imagine 1 your kids will be better educated than the current system could ever hope and 2 chances are you will need to have a parent at home. The rules for home schooling are the same for regular school. The student(s) h

ave to pass board certified tests ect ect. Rayne.--- On Fri, 1/9/09, river_willow76 <river_willow76 > wrote:

river_willow76 <river_willow76 >{Herbal Remedies} Loss of Parental Rights in Public Schools!herbal remedies Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:07 AM

 

 

Hi guys!I have noticed all the posts about homeschooling and am seriously considering it myself! I really think its a fabulous idea. There are many reasons why I am considering it. For one I really don't agree with the idea that my kids will be made to get shots before they can attend school. There are other reasons but the most recent one really gets under my skin.Here within the past week I have recieved a letter stating that my daughter has missed too many days from school that were "unexcused" and therefore the school has referred her to the county's "truancy program". I wasn't all too sure what this was so I called the truancy officer and asked him. Apparently my daughter will have to report every week to this law enforcement officer and he will have to call every night to make sure she is home by the curfew he gives her. He will also be checking in on her grades and attendance at school. So basically she i

s being put on parole. Not to mention, this program costs money which she (I) will have to pay for.Now this would be all fine and dandy if say she were skipping school and smoking cigarettes behind the store across the street like I was when I was her age but thats not the case. I called the school and explained the situation, that I was aware of the days she missed and that they were for illnesses, appointments and other legitimate reasons. I explained that there were a few days that I forgot to call in for her and there were a few others when thier phone system was malfuntioning and I couldnt get through to the school. It didnt matter. They said that once they file the paperwork it has to go through. They cant take it back.Here's the "kicker". It specifically states in the letter that this program is completely voluntary, however.... if you refuse to comply with the program then your "case" will be filed with the dis

trict attorney (is that the right guy?) and it will go to court before a judge. Will someone please be kind enough to explain to me how that is considered voluntary???So basically what is happening here is that my 13 year old is being punished for staying home from school like her mother told her to do. This is what the school system has come to? I'm not even allowed to keep my child home if I feel its appropriate? ?? I have to say, the truancy officer I spoke to was extremely respectful and nice. He seemed that he understood my dilema but there was nothing he could do. I asked him what would happen if I just pulled her out of school and homeschooled her. He said it was perfectly ok to do that but he didnt think we could make it work, us having five children and both my husband and I working. He said it would take too much time and that you need a stay at home parent.I swear, every since we moved here a little less than a year ago, the schools right along with every other "official" in this town have tried desperately to stick their big fat nose in my families business and gain some degree of control. For example, I have had the SRS at my house several times because the school calling them to report a bruise or something on my son. I tried to explain to them that sometimes when 9 year olds get their lazy butts out from in front of the TV and actually get out into that bright light called the sunshine and play, that things sometimes happen like falls and bruises here and there. It's becoming extremely hard to remain respectful to the school employees these days. Another time the school called the state because my son told them that he was scared to come home. Turned out in the end that he didnt want to do his chores (picking up the living room). I kid you not, that state lady sat right here in my house and actually reprimanded me say

ing I needed to come up with more age appropriate chores for a 9 year old. Yes you heard me right, he's 9... and unable to pick up the living room apparently.Anyway, I dont mean to vent. I was wandering if it really is a possibility to homeschool 5 kids even if there are 2 full time jobs in the house?Whew! Thanks for listening everyone!River

[Guest guest]

Michael,

 

I love your stories and your outrageously intelligent and radical ways! True education is empowerment, and you prove this point over and over.

I am glad that your son has had such a positive role model. As a mom, I do believe that children are usually best left with their moms, but having a mom who is emotionally and mentally unhealthy, I am eternally grateful I was raised by my dad. I love my mom, but I am glad I was no raised by her! My dad was/is emotionally and mentally healthy and I was raised in a much better and healthier way. I am glad you saved your son. I also am glad you knew enough to educate yourself on the law and to wave that law around so that it held some clout! I have done this before, too, though not with counselors, but with rental managers and school personnel. Amazing how stupid most people think others are! And even more amazing how they think they have the authority to bully and manipulate others!

 

LoriSchooling is not education, and education is not schooling~John Taylor Gatto

 

 

herbal remedies From: michaelpaultDate: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:07:03 -0800{Herbal Remedies} Re:Loss of Parental Rights in Public Schools!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

these moral reprobates who have the gall to describe themselves as "protectors" of kids are by and large bureaucratic( unelected and immoral ) parasites.

 

There is a quote that one of the founding fathers used to describe another who he found to be an enemy of freedom. "I pray for his imminent demise"

 

I can strongly relate to that sentiment.

 

These people are practicing extra legal bureaucratic terrorism and often are themselves violating the law.

 

I would suggest that you find an attorney who practices law under Christian principles and protects family/parental rights.

 

During the divorce I went through 15 years ago in Spokane Wa. I went through some of this horse shi.... with the school counselor who presumed that i was abusive because

1. I am male

2. I am muscular

3. my x implied that I was "dangerous"

 

the school counselor went forward and made an attack on my parental rights and I did some research.

 

In Wa state... there is a law called the Uniform Information Access Act... which

DEMANDS that a counselor provide information to a parent on request/demand Unless there is a specific judges order to the contrary.

 

I phoned the director of the counseling services in Spokane and PROMISED that I would keep them in court for a decade and RUIN THEM AND THEIR WORTHLESS REPUTATIONS if the counselor did not keep away from my son.

 

She was shocked and intimidated by my correct knowledge of the law.

 

I was NOT BLUFFING. and in fact would have gone after all of them for their outrageous abuses.

 

 

end of the story...years later... My son came to live with me

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.. because the other house was both

emotionally and physically abusive to him..

He filed no contact orders to be left 100% alone, and to this day... he is nearly 21 now and just entered the military, he and I have an absolutely wonderful loving and amazingly enjoyable relationship.

 

IF you ask the right questons you finally get the right answers.

 

I have to wonder the way they are administering this "voluntary program" if they are not possibly due for a HUGE CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT FILED AGAINST THEM.

 

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