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AMEN, finally someone who " sees " this made up " thing " as I do. The

hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on

" their " meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrong

with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

asked her " When did you get your medical degree? " I always said

" doping " up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about

10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference between

my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; " Have

you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts? "

That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body &

brain) young man.

Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

 

herbal remedies , Doc <DocShillington wrote:

>

> The Myth & The Mystery

>

> /by

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

>

>

> ADD & ADHD

>

> /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorder

that

> is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

> directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or

> lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

>

> /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) a

mental

> disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above

> with " hyperactivity " being present./

>

> Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not " discovered " but were

> " voted " into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric

> Association? This is TRUE!!!

>

>

> Furthermore, it is acknowledged that the " Causes " are unknown and yet

> both of these " conditions " were voted in as being chemical

imbalances in

> the brain without one shred of scientific evidence. Gene R. Haislip,

> Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Diversion Control, Drug

> Enforcement Administration was quoted as saying, " This agency has not

> made a determination of whether ADHD is a disease or a syndrome... We

> are also unaware that ADHD has been validated as a biologic/organic

> syndrome or disease " . With ADD or ADHD, there are NO brain scans, NO

> blood tests, NO saliva or urine samples taken, and the entire diagnosis

> is based on the OPINION of health professionals who much of the time

> render this judgment on the speculated opinion of school teachers

> mislead by Psychiatry, and furthermore, who are not trained in the

field

> of physical health or its diagnosis.

>

> Today over 6 million American children are being labeled as ADD or

ADHD,

> and are being forced or intimidated into taking brain damaging,

> psychiatric drugs such as Ritalin®, Concerta®, Adderall®, etc, for

these

> supposed diseases.

>

> This is beyond criminal. It is completely evil and is the greatest

hoax

> of the 20th century while being its most destructive. For this massive

> drugging of our youth has the potential of totally destroying our

future

> American society, and I compare this outrageous act to the holocaust in

> Germany in the 1930's and 40's.

>

> Often, I'm told by others, that the symptoms mentioned in these so

> called " diseases " are so very real and that this is why they've

believed

> the Psychs and agreed with the diagnosis in the first place. I then

get

> asked, " Well -- if these diseases are not real and they are hoaxes,

what

> is " causing " these symptoms? " Well -- I'm going to answer that one for

> you too, and I don't really think you're going to be that surprised by

> the explanation once you find out what it is. So, what is this

> all-encompassing Cause???

>

> Malnutrition!

>

> That's it! That's all of it!

>

> What do I mean by malnutrition? Well -- " mal " means " bad " , so we're

> talking about " bad " nutrition here and during the last 30 years the

> quality of food throughout the World especially in the US has gone

> dramatically down. If you believe your taste buds here, you probably

> won't believe me, but what I'm about to reveal to you are cold hard

facts.

>

> There are 3 major problem areas in our food chain that directly

> contribute to the " cause " of the symptoms found in these two bogus,

> psychiatric diseases.

>

> #1. All meats and meat products: For the last 30+ years, the

amount of

> steroids, hormones, and antibiotics used in these products has grown

> yearly at an alarming rate. There is no meat source that has not been

> affected by these practices. It is not just the beef and pork

> industries that are the culprits here, the commercial dairy, chicken

and

> farm raised fish industries are just as bad, if not worse and the more

> insidious due to their lower profile. All commercial milk, cheeses,

and

> eggs are loaded full of these hormones, steroids, and antibiotics.

>

> This is the major cause behind our children going through puberty at 7,

> 8, and 9 years of age instead of the usual 12 through 15. It's no

> wonder our children are demonstrating these symptoms when puberty is

> kicking in so early. These symptoms are very real, but the ADD & ADHD

> labels are an evil con job.

>

> The Solution here is to eat ONLY, CERTIFIED ORGANIC MEAT PRODUCTS AND

> BYPRODUCTS.

>

> #2. Sugar: All processed white and brown sugars are deadly. They are

> a " slow " poison. There is no nutritional value to sugar whatsoever.

>

> Sugar creates: a.) a false energy boost that burns the individual out

> faster. b.) stress to the Pancreas that will eventually bring about

> Diabetes. c.) anxiety. d.) HYPERACTIVITY! e.) grief. f.) pimples.

> g.) boils. h.) and lastly, a lowered or non-existent immune system

that

> can allow all kinds of diseases to strike, such as colds, pneumonias,

> and flus to name a few.

>

> The solution for sugar if one has to satisfy a sweet tooth is to eat

> only ORGANIC RAW HONEY, ORGANIC MAPLE SYRUP, AND ORGANIC STEVIA

PRODUCTS.

>

> An awesome book to read on the subject that goes into even greater

> detail is: Sugar Blues by William F. Dufty. This book is a " must "

read.

>

> #3. And lastly in the food chain problem area is the little known

> subject of Enzyme Inhibitors. I've written a comprehensive article on

> this topic, and I strongly recommend you read it for a full

> understanding of this very important issue.

>

> In a nutshell, Enzyme Inhibitors are found in all grains, seeds, nuts,

> and most beans, and these biochemical agents can slow down and even

stop

> many of your body's natural functions.

>

> Again the solution is simple. Eat only those grains, seeds, nuts and

> beans that have been soaked in water for at least 12 hours. Soaking

> gets rid of Enzyme Inhibitors. Buy only breads that have been made

from

> sprouted grains.

>

> Don't believe that the Psychs and the Medical Doctors are simply

> ignorant about these solutions. They are very well aware of them.

> Criminally so!

>

> I hope this information helps you and your family. It was written to

> save the lives of your children, and to ensure their future survival.

>

> Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

>

> /Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D./

>

> /888-898-9660

> /

>

> / 2002, 2008 by Ian Shillington N.D. /

>

> /All rights reserved./

>

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All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD

diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed

child. That is why teachers and school administrators became

" doctors " and diagnosed students, which of course, is against

the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't

know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road.

 

None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that

may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school

13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily

unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box

:-).

 

 

At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who

" sees " this made up " thing " as I do. The

hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him

on

" their " meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was

nothing wrong

with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

asked her " When did you get your medical degree? " I always

said

" doping " up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was

about

10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference

between

my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question;

" Have

you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young

acts? "

That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body

&

brain) young man.

Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

--- In

 

herbal remedies , Doc <DocShillington

wrote:

>

> The Myth & The Mystery

>

> /by

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

>

>

> ADD & ADHD

>

> /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental

disorder

that

> is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

 

> directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot

or

> lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

>

> /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder)

a

mental

> disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones

above

> with " hyperactivity " being present./

>

> Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not " discovered "

but were

> " voted " into existence by a committee of the American

Psychiatric

> Association? This is TRUE!!!

 

 

Leslie Montemayor

We worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that he

is someone today.

Stacie Tauscher

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are

willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas

Jefferson

" Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's

character, give him power.

- Abraham Lincoln

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You're most welcome Tammy.

In Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

Doc

 

Tammy Fontenot wrote:

 

 

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. The

hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on

"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrong

with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

asked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said

"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about

10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference between

my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question;

"Have

you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"

That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body

&

brain) young man.

Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

 

herbal remedies ,

Doc <DocShillington wrote:

>

> The Myth & The Mystery

>

> /by

> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

>

>

> ADD & ADHD

>

> /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorder

that

> is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

> directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot

or

> lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

>

> /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) a

mental

> disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones

above

> with "hyperactivity" being present./

>

> Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were

> "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric

> Association? This is TRUE!!!

>

>

> Furthermore, it is acknowledged that the "Causes" are unknown and

yet

> both of these "conditions" were voted in as being chemical

imbalances in

> the brain without one shred of scientific evidence. Gene R.

Haislip,

> Deputy Assistant Administrator, Office of Diversion Control, Drug

> Enforcement Administration was quoted as saying, "This agency has

not

> made a determination of whether ADHD is a disease or a syndrome...

We

> are also unaware that ADHD has been validated as a

biologic/organic

> syndrome or disease". With ADD or ADHD, there are NO brain scans,

NO

> blood tests, NO saliva or urine samples taken, and the entire

diagnosis

> is based on the OPINION of health professionals who much of the

time

> render this judgment on the speculated opinion of school teachers

> mislead by Psychiatry, and furthermore, who are not trained in the

field

> of physical health or its diagnosis.

>

> Today over 6 million American children are being labeled as ADD or

ADHD,

> and are being forced or intimidated into taking brain damaging,

> psychiatric drugs such as Ritalin®, Concerta®, Adderall®, etc, for

these

> supposed diseases.

>

> This is beyond criminal. It is completely evil and is the greatest

hoax

> of the 20th century while being its most destructive. For this

massive

> drugging of our youth has the potential of totally destroying our

future

> American society, and I compare this outrageous act to the

holocaust in

> Germany in the 1930's and 40's.

>

> Often, I'm told by others, that the symptoms mentioned in these so

 

> called "diseases" are so very real and that this is why they've

believed

> the Psychs and agreed with the diagnosis in the first place. I then

get

> asked, "Well -- if these diseases are not real and they are hoaxes,

what

> is "causing" these symptoms?" Well -- I'm going to answer that one

for

> you too, and I don't really think you're going to be that

surprised by

> the explanation once you find out what it is. So, what is this

> all-encompassing Cause???

>

> Malnutrition!

>

> That's it! That's all of it!

>

> What do I mean by malnutrition? Well -- "mal" means "bad", so

we're

> talking about "bad" nutrition here and during the last 30 years

the

> quality of food throughout the World especially in the US has gone

 

> dramatically down. If you believe your taste buds here, you

probably

> won't believe me, but what I'm about to reveal to you are cold hard

facts.

>

> There are 3 major problem areas in our food chain that directly

> contribute to the "cause" of the symptoms found in these two

bogus,

> psychiatric diseases.

>

> #1. All meats and meat products: For the last 30+ years, the

amount of

> steroids, hormones, and antibiotics used in these products has

grown

> yearly at an alarming rate. There is no meat source that has not

been

> affected by these practices. It is not just the beef and pork

> industries that are the culprits here, the commercial dairy,

chicken

and

> farm raised fish industries are just as bad, if not worse and the

more

> insidious due to their lower profile. All commercial milk, cheeses,

and

> eggs are loaded full of these hormones, steroids, and antibiotics.

>

> This is the major cause behind our children going through puberty

at 7,

> 8, and 9 years of age instead of the usual 12 through 15. It's no

> wonder our children are demonstrating these symptoms when puberty

is

> kicking in so early. These symptoms are very real, but the ADD

& ADHD

> labels are an evil con job.

>

> The Solution here is to eat ONLY, CERTIFIED ORGANIC MEAT PRODUCTS

AND

> BYPRODUCTS.

>

> #2. Sugar: All processed white and brown sugars are deadly. They

are

> a "slow" poison. There is no nutritional value to sugar whatsoever.

>

> Sugar creates: a.) a false energy boost that burns the individual

out

> faster. b.) stress to the Pancreas that will eventually bring

about

> Diabetes. c.) anxiety. d.) HYPERACTIVITY! e.) grief. f.) pimples.

> g.) boils. h.) and lastly, a lowered or non-existent immune system

that

> can allow all kinds of diseases to strike, such as colds,

pneumonias,

> and flus to name a few.

>

> The solution for sugar if one has to satisfy a sweet tooth is to

eat

> only ORGANIC RAW HONEY, ORGANIC MAPLE SYRUP, AND ORGANIC STEVIA

PRODUCTS.

>

> An awesome book to read on the subject that goes into even greater

 

> detail is: Sugar Blues by William F. Dufty. This book is a "must"

read.

>

> #3. And lastly in the food chain problem area is the little known

> subject of Enzyme Inhibitors. I've written a comprehensive article

on

> this topic, and I strongly recommend you read it for a full

> understanding of this very important issue.

>

> In a nutshell, Enzyme Inhibitors are found in all grains, seeds,

nuts,

> and most beans, and these biochemical agents can slow down and even

stop

> many of your body's natural functions.

>

> Again the solution is simple. Eat only those grains, seeds, nuts

and

> beans that have been soaked in water for at least 12 hours.

Soaking

> gets rid of Enzyme Inhibitors. Buy only breads that have been made

from

> sprouted grains.

>

> Don't believe that the Psychs and the Medical Doctors are simply

> ignorant about these solutions. They are very well aware of them.

> Criminally so!

>

> I hope this information helps you and your family. It was written

to

> save the lives of your children, and to ensure their future

survival.

>

> Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

>

> /Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D./

>

> /888-898-9660

> /

>

> /Copyright © 2002, 2008 by Ian Shillington N.D. /

>

> /All rights reserved./

>

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On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayorherbal remedies Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road. None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. Thehell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrongwith him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, Iasked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kidsgo, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference betweenmy son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; "Haveyou ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limithis sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body & brain) young man.Thank you very much for the

uplifting post.herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:>> The Myth & The Mystery> > /by> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/> > > ADD & ADHD> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorderthat > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) amental > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above > with "hyperactivity" being present./> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not

"discovered" but were > "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric > Association? This is TRUE!!!

Leslie MontemayorWe worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that heis someone today.Stacie TauscherThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.- Abraham Lincoln

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I have not heard of internet based home schooling. Some years ago, I did come across an entire curriculum on cds . It was called the Robinson Curriculum... about 20 cds for around 200 to 300 dollars for quite a few years of schooling . You only needed to add a math book to it... I think you could find a Robinson curriculum used on the net at a fair price... if you look around... They contained a lot of classical literature and history no longer under copyright law protection...

 

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Frederique Nault <feenaultRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remedies Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor@mindspri ng.com>herbal remediesWednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road. None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. Thehell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrongwith him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, Iasked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kidsgo, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference betweenmy son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; "Haveyou ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limithis sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body & brain) young man.Thank you very much for the

uplifting post.herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:>> The Myth & The Mystery> > /by> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/> > > ADD & ADHD> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorderthat > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) amental > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above > with "hyperactivity" being present./> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were > "voted" into

existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric > Association? This is TRUE!!!

Leslie MontemayorWe worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that heis someone today.Stacie TauscherThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.- Abraham Lincoln

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Dear Michael,

Thanks for recommending Robinson.

It DOES look like a great program.

The only addition I'd recommend at this time without getting deeper

into the program is the purchase of:

"The New Oxford American Dictionary".

Sometimes the various Websters editions get infiltrated by the Psychs

and their agenda.

Also, the above Oxford also comes with a CD that works with most word

processors on your PC.

A great tool I use all the time.

Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

Doc

 

Michael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not heard of internet based home schooling. Some

years ago, I did come across an entire curriculum on cds . It was

called the Robinson Curriculum... about 20 cds for around 200 to

300 dollars for quite a few years of schooling . You only needed to add

a math book to it... I think you could find a Robinson curriculum used

on the net at a fair price... if you look around... They contained a

lot of classical literature and history no longer under copyright law

protection...

 

I looked around a bit for you on the net,and hope the info

below is helpful...Mike

 

Homeschool Curriculum Excellence An Excellent

K-12 Home School Curriculum Developed by a scientist

and his six children Teach your children to teach ...

www.robinsoncurriculum.com/

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Education: The three most compelling reasons to

buy A² are education, education and education. There is no reason to

purchase a curriculum unless your children will thrive academically on

it. Many of our users report that their children are advancing up to

two grade levels each and every year. Our methods teach children how

to learn, not just to memorize facts. Most of our materials were first

published long before political correctness was conceived so they are

untouched by current fads and revisionist history, etc.

 

Ease of use: A² is very easy to use. If you can

navigate a simple web site, you can use A² Curriculum. A² is a huge

web site resident on a CD so no internet connection is required. Just

click and print the text book. That is all there is to using A², in

fact many families assign the duties of printing the materials to their

children. Almost all the files on the A² CD are either html, text, or

pdf files, the most common and easiest to use file types on the web.

Recently we called a family to provide technical support. A delightful

twelve year old young lady explained the problem she was encountering,

and followed the instructions perfectly as we resolved the problem.

This twelve year old girl was using A² to educate her younger brother

while their single mother was at work.

 

Organization: Everything is laid out for you with

a complete scope and sequence providing a clear road map for your

homeschool. Everything is organized by grade level and by subject.

 

Value: Homeschool curriculum is expensive.

Curriculum costs hundreds of dollars, per child, each and every year.

It can cost $300 for a single course for a year. A² covers

kindergarten through 12th grade. It only costs $99 and the whole

family can use it for no additional cost. This means that A² only

costs $7.70 per year. That cannot be beat.

 

Workload: Many products require extensive work on

the part of parents; preparation, lesson plans, record keeping,

correcting papers and worksheets. Some of this is impossible to avoid;

however, A² has minimized the work to an amazing degree without

compromizing your child's education. Using our methods and materials

eliminates the need for lesson plans. Correcting papers and worksheets

cannot be avoided; however, our methods almost (but not quite) make

this a thing of the past. We do this by making children responsible

for their own education.

 

Support: When you buy A² you are not on your

own. We operate a user group with hundreds of others who also use A².

They are wonderful. These good people are available to answer a host

of questions. Thousands of messages are in our archives, available to

be searched and referenced. You also get the home phone number of the

creator of A². When you require personal technical support or just a

little hand holding; it is as close as your telephone.

 

Quality: Many of our text books were in common

usage in the 1800's. In those days schools were run by parents, and

schools had very limited financial resources. Teachers frequently only

had an eighth grade education. The books they used had to work and

work well. The books had to be simple enough for these teachers to use

and the principles they taught had to be self evident. Can old books

possibly be as good as modern text book? The answer is a resounding

YES! Nouns and verbs have not changed in several life times. Algebra

and geometry are unchanged. History books written close the the events

are frequently more accurate than those written years later.

 

Unique Content: You may have heard that A²

contains many public domain texts available for free on the Internet.

This is true. These free materials are not ready to print and may

require a high speed Internet connection to download. If these

materials are printed without being properly formatted they will

waste paper, creating unnecessary cost. The public domain materials

that form the core of A² are formatted and ready to print, saving you

time and money. Many of the materials contained in A² are unique and

are not public domain. Our phonics materials, grammar game, math

worksheet generator, math text, and many other materials are either not

public domain or are not readily available elsewhere. A²: often

imitated, but never duplicated.

 

 

 

 

 

Education!

 

 

The object

and design of education is Liberty!

 

 

 

We teach morality so

they will be free from vice.

We teach literacy so

they will be free from ignorance.

We teach economics to

free them from financial bondage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Frederique Nault <feenault >

wrote:

 

 

Frederique Nault <feenault >

Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth &

The Mystery

herbal remedies

Saturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any

information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for

my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor@mindspri ng.com>

To:

herbal remedies

Sent:

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PM

Re:

{Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

 

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD

diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child.

That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and

diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad,

sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin

are 20 years down the road.

 

None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that

may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public

school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily

unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).

 

 

 

 

 

At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

 

AMEN, finally

someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. The

hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on

"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrong

with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

asked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said

"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about

10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference between

my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question;

"Have

you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"

That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body

&

brain) young man.

Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

 

herbal remedies, Doc

<DocShillington@ ...> wrote:

>

> The Myth & The Mystery

>

> /by

> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

>

>

> ADD & ADHD

>

> /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorder

that

> is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

> directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot

or

> lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

>

> /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) a

mental

> disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones

above

> with "hyperactivity" being present./

>

> Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were

> "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric

> Association? This is TRUE!!!

 

 

Leslie Montemayor

 

We worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that he

is someone today.

Stacie Tauscher

 

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are

willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

 

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's

character, give him power.

- Abraham Lincoln

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Hi Doc,

 

You are most welcome. I hope that Robinson is found to be a good learning system for knowledge and character building.

 

On the dictionary, absolutely. There is nothing like an older dictionary or a new one not

poisoned with socio political agendas... which render definitions not only worthless, but destructively misleading.

 

.....................................................................

On that note, I create words and phrases from time to time, and have in our current

atmosphere sadly felt the need to create two in this past year.

 

1. Economic Treason... the extreme intentional misuse and waste of public trust and funds and the immoral enrichment of ones self and friends with those funds either directly or indirectly

 

2.Pres-sedition: An impeachable offense against the people of the United States, This is the seditious plan, plot or intent to use direct permit, tolerate, or inspire, or actual use of political influence to

by pass or attenuate the peoples current constitutional rights by a president or the intent to undermine those rights through order, committee, judicial abuse, appointment, judicial appointment, or other means.

 

so such an act or acts would be pres-seditious

by one or more members of congress it would be congress-seditious

 

 

Mike

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Doc <DocShillington wrote:

Doc <DocShillingtonRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remedies Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:24 AM

 

 

Dear Michael,Thanks for recommending Robinson.It DOES look like a great program.The only addition I'd recommend at this time without getting deeper into the program is the purchase of:"The New Oxford American Dictionary".Sometimes the various Websters editions get infiltrated by the Psychs and their agenda.Also, the above Oxford also comes with a CD that works with most word processors on your PC.A great tool I use all the time.Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,DocMichael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not heard of internet based home schooling. Some years ago, I did come across an entire curriculum on cds . It was called the Robinson Curriculum.. . about 20 cds for around 200 to 300 dollars for quite a few years of schooling . You only needed to add a math book to it... I think you could find a Robinson curriculum used on the net at a fair price... if you look around... They contained a lot of classical literature and history no longer under copyright law protection.. .

 

I looked around a bit for you on the net,and hope the info below is helpful...MikeHomeschool Curriculum Excellence An Excellent K-12 Home School Curriculum Developed by a scientist and his six children Teach your children to teach ...www.robinsoncurriculum.com/ -

 

 

 

 

 

 

Education: The three most compelling reasons to buy A² are education, education and education. There is no reason to purchase a curriculum unless your children will thrive academically on it. Many of our users report that their children are advancing up to two grade levels each and every year. Our methods teach children how to learn, not just to memorize facts. Most of our materials were first published long before political correctness was conceived so they are untouched by current fads and revisionist history, etc.

Ease of use: A² is very easy to use. If you can navigate a simple web site, you can use A² Curriculum. A² is a huge web site resident on a CD so no internet connection is required. Just click and print the text book. That is all there is to using A², in fact many families assign the duties of printing the materials to their children. Almost all the files on the A² CD are either html, text, or pdf files, the most common and easiest to use file types on the web. Recently we called a family to provide technical support. A delightful twelve year old young lady explained the problem she was encountering, and followed the instructions perfectly as we resolved the problem. This twelve year old girl was using A² to educate her younger brother while their single mother was at work.

Organization: Everything is laid out for you with a complete scope and sequence providing a clear road map for your homeschool. Everything is organized by grade level and by subject.

Value: Homeschool curriculum is expensive. Curriculum costs hundreds of dollars, per child, each and every year. It can cost $300 for a single course for a year. A² covers kindergarten through 12th grade. It only costs $99 and the whole family can use it for no additional cost. This means that A² only costs $7.70 per year. That cannot be beat.

Workload: Many products require extensive work on the part of parents; preparation, lesson plans, record keeping, correcting papers and worksheets. Some of this is impossible to avoid; however, A² has minimized the work to an amazing degree without compromizing your child's education. Using our methods and materials eliminates the need for lesson plans. Correcting papers and worksheets cannot be avoided; however, our methods almost (but not quite) make this a thing of the past. We do this by making children responsible for their own education.

Support: When you buy A² you are not on your own. We operate a user group with hundreds of others who also use A². They are wonderful. These good people are available to answer a host of questions. Thousands of messages are in our archives, available to be searched and referenced. You also get the home phone number of the creator of A². When you require personal technical support or just a little hand holding; it is as close as your telephone.

Quality: Many of our text books were in common usage in the 1800's. In those days schools were run by parents, and schools had very limited financial resources. Teachers frequently only had an eighth grade education. The books they used had to work and work well. The books had to be simple enough for these teachers to use and the principles they taught had to be self evident. Can old books possibly be as good as modern text book? The answer is a resounding YES! Nouns and verbs have not changed in several life times. Algebra and geometry are unchanged. History books written close the the events are frequently more accurate than those written years later. Unique Content: You may have heard that A² contains many public domain texts available for free on the Internet. This is true. These free materials are not ready to print and may require a high speed Internet connection to download. If these materials are printed without being properly formatted they will waste paper, creating unnecessary cost. The public domain materials that form the core of A² are formatted and ready to print, saving you time and money. Many of the materials contained in A² are unique and are not public domain. Our phonics materials, grammar game, math worksheet generator, math text, and many other materials are either not public domain or are not readily available elsewhere. A²: often imitated, but never duplicated.

 

 

 

Education!

The object and design of education is Liberty!

 

We teach morality so they will be free from vice.

We teach literacy so they will be free from ignorance.

We teach economics to free them from financial bondage

--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Frederique Nault <feenault > wrote:

Frederique Nault <feenault >Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remediesSaturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor@mindspri ng.com>herbal remediesWednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road. None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. Thehell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrongwith him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, Iasked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kidsgo, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference betweenmy son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; "Haveyou ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limithis sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body & brain) young man.Thank you very much for the

uplifting post.herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:>> The Myth & The Mystery> > /by> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/> > > ADD & ADHD> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorderthat > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) amental > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above > with "hyperactivity" being present./> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were > "voted" into

existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric > Association? This is TRUE!!!

Leslie MontemayorWe worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that heis someone today.Stacie TauscherThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.- Abraham Lincoln

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Hi,

 

I have been homeschooling for over 16 years so I guess that makes me a veteran. :)

 

There are public schools online, but I have never heard of homeschooling online. Many people confuse the two. If you use a K-12 public school-based curricula online then you are still a public-schooled student and muist answer to the school and their demands. This is NOT homeschooling, it is public school at home. It is important that these differences be made so that homechooling rights cannot be further eroded by this dileanation of terms.

 

I do not know what state you are in, but you can go to Homeschool Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), regardless of whether you agree with them spiritually or politically as they have all 50 state laws on their site and you can also keep up with any legislation in your state on this site without having to join their program. We have never belonged to HSLDA but I have taken advantage of the information posted there.

 

You can also go to your local public library and ask them if they have a list of local homeschool groups in your area. Many homeschool groups, both secular and religious, list with the local library so that librarians can pass this information on to patrons who call in and ask. You can also look online for the large state group in your state (I live in Ohio so I would look for Ohio Home School Association and see what pops up). Ask around! Most people today know of one or more families who homeschool and they can give you the information for your state on how to homeschool legally.

 

I highly suggest you do not allow your son to just quit school. Find out how to legally opt him out in your state (do NOT rely on the school for this information as they are often not in the know and ask for way more info than you are required by law to give!) so that he will not be labeled a "drop out". Instead, get your paperwork in order (it can take one day if you have the right person helping you), take it to the local Board of Education (if this is protocol in your state) and you will be legal for homechooling. Some states only require that you notify the school in writing. Others insist you send in paperwork. Some will continue to make him take standardized tests. Some states make you keep detailed logs. Others don't ever want to hear from you again. So it is important to find out the law and follow it so you do not end up in legal hell with your state (truancy laws).

 

We have always been "relaxed" homeschoolers (http://www.homeeducator.com/FamilyTimes/articles/11-4article8.htm) who naturally fell into the unschooling (http://www.unschooling.com/) lifestyle over time and as our kids began to grow up some (teen years). There are many ways to homeschool and this site will give you a quick overview of each one: http://www.homeschool.com/Approaches/. There are also many books on homeschooling at the library that you can take out and read for free. I highly suggest "Homeschooling For Excellence", by David and Micki Colfax, even though it was published in 1983 (http://www.learningfamily.net/library/400/470-0446389862.htm). Any book by John Taylor Gatto (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/dumbdnblum1.htm), and "The Teenage Liberation Handbook" (How To Drop Out Of School And Get A Real Life And Education), by Grace Llewellyn (very secular but has some great wisdom). http://distancelearn.about.com/od/virtualhighschools/gr/TeenageLib.htm

 

If your son is 16, he should have the basic foundation for all of his current and future educational needs (http://www.robinsoncurriculum.com/). He knows how to write reports, find information, read, write, cipher, and you will have to see what you think he really needs at this age. He most likely will find his strengths and interests and will excel in those areas (if he hasn't already) and will amaze you at his abilities and capabilites in these areas. And every kid grows and gains great experience, life skills, and enhances their education just by working. A job does more to grow them intellectually and in real life than any other endeavor, including school.

 

 

And if your son wants to go to college one day here are colleges who will admit him if he met their real criteria (no diploma):

http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html

 

I have eight kids, four of whom we homeschooled all through school (actually one is 16 1/2 and is still enrolled), but all have had a great experience and all are intelligent and educated in their own right. My kids have never "done" school like their peers, never took tests other than an occasional spelling test that they requested for themselves, and are not "standardized" (I do not want standardized, cookie-cutter kids). Do my kids know everything their peers know? No. Do my kids' peers know everything my kids know? No. Each one of my kids are individual and have their own educations that fit exactly who they are. And each one is an amazing and awesome person in their own right. I never cared if my kids could "keep up" with their public-schooled peers, I just wanted my kids to be educated and to excel in their own God-given strengths. I have not been disappointed.

 

Find what fits you and your son best (both yours and his expectations and needs), then go out on your own and live life to its fullest as a family. That is the freedom of homeschooling. You are not bogged down with someone else's ideals for your young adult or your family. If you want to incorporate something into your child's learning that is not on the state mandated curriculum you have that choice. If you want to follow the state curriculum, that is your choice.

 

My kids can make change from a monetary transaction in their head (most of their peers cannot!), have and keep their own checkbooks (from age 16 up), go to work at age 15, begin to handle much of their own needs from the time they begin to work so that they will be ready to transition into adulthood by age 18, and pay and keep track of their own bills (car payments even though in mine or my husband's names because of interest and credit histories, insurance payments on cars, their own gasoline consumption, most of their own personal care products, half of their clothing at age 15 and all of it by age 17, and so on), and they have grown up to be responsible and savvy consumers with good credit histories and knowledge of what it means to live in the "Real World". In other words, they are not infantalized and dependent like so many of their peers who can't cook, keep a checkbook, or like some who have never held a job though they are 18-19 years old! My kids were more than ready to take the reigns of their lives by age 18.

 

I also gave my kids their own diplomas from our homeschool that I make up on the computer. We have always been registered with the local schools (legal) and since we are like a private school I have taken the liberty to do this. Most employers accept them. They may not be "accredited" with the state, but we can prove that my kids went the required length of time, was seen by a certified teacher (portfolio reviews every year), and followed the law all through school. My kids had zero to do with the local schools except when they went to a program with one of their friends (extra-curricular such as plays or football games). Homeschoolers can even go to the Prom or Homecoming if they are invited by one of their friends and go as their guest.

 

I am not telling you how to live. I am telling you a bit of my own experiences and what has worked for our family. Every family is different and has their own expectations and needs. Real freedom includes freedom to choose our own educational needs and choices for our own families. It is not forced on a populace through compulsory schooling laws. And notice it is compulsory schooling (training) and not compulsory education laws! Big difference.

 

Okay, I am off of my soap box for now! (lol) Hope I have given you the information you sought and some things to ponder over.

 

If you do live in Ohio and want some help, please feel free to contact me (homeschoolmom42).

 

 

Lori

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schooling is not education, and education is not schooling~John Taylor Gatto

 

 

herbal remedies From: feenaultDate: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:24:51 -0800Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor (AT) mindspring (DOT) com>herbal remedies Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road. None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. Thehell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrongwith him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, Iasked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kidsgo, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference betweenmy son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; "Haveyou ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limithis sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body & brain) young man.Thank you very much for the uplifting post.herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:>> The Myth & The Mystery> > /by> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/> > > ADD & ADHD> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorderthat > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) amental > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above > with "hyperactivity" being present./> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were > "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric > Association? This is TRUE!!!

Leslie MontemayorWe worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that heis someone today.Stacie TauscherThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.- Abraham Lincoln

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Some cool sites to check out for homeschooling:

 

Switched-On-Schoolhouse -- http://www.aophomeschooling.com/switched-

on-schoolhouse/overview.php. You can buy the CDs and be the teacher

yourself (works for multiple kids but have to buy each grade level

and class) or you can choose the online option where they have a

teacher who assigns and grades and does most of that for you. The

first option is about $300 per grade level for 5 classes (but disks

can be reused for each kid when they reach that level). The second

is over $1000 per student per year if I remember right. But it lets

them do a lot on their own, and its fun. I never had trouble getting

him to " go to school " . He did this for 4th grade. We only stopped

because the program was a little buggy (not too bad and their support

desk is pretty helpful) and we had found a few other things we want

to try.

 

Time 4 Learning - www.time4learning.com - this says it is a full

curriculum but I dont think I would use it for that. But its really

good for filling in some gaps and for " bridging " over the summer so

he doesnt feel like he is going to school too much but he doesnt

forget everything over those 3 months. I start him in a grade level

or two behind what he is to make sure he can fly through it easily.

Its also pretty cheap - $20/month, and you can pause it for a few

months or cancel. I have been using it during the summers mostly, and

during the school year if we seem to have extra time. Its great for

filling in history/social studies, or reinforcing science or math

concepts. I wouldnt use it for a primary teaching tool really, but

for extra practice and reading it really is good. And its fun so not

hard to get him interested.

 

Aleks math - www.aleks.com - he has done his math through this site

for 2 years now. Its pretty good for independent learning, and we

like having the pie chart pieces fill in. It makes sure he masters

something before he can move on. Assessments once a month may mean he

gets set back and has to re-earn his pie pieces, but sometimes he

gets to skip a few sections too.

 

3dLearn - www.3dlearn.com - this is the school we settled on as

a " permanent " school that I can see him going to all the way through

High School. It is an accredited online private school. We are on

our second year here. Its more expensive than I would like

(~$2500/year for middle school) but still cheaper than any local

private school. He LOVES it. Basically he goes to school every day

in a video game. I thought it wouldnt really teach much, and there

are a few things I wish they would do different, but he learns a

WHOLE lot more than I imagined. And he can build 3d worlds like he's

been doing it all his life (he just turned 12!). I am a computer

programmer and he is doing object oriented programming for real! The

school is " live " which is what I really like - he gets to make

friends and have social interactions with no threat of bullying.

There are kids who go there because they are athletes (gymnasts, etc)

and cant go to regular schools. One kid in his class this year is

living in Hong Kong for a few years with his parents and they didnt

want to send him to a local school. They have a live chat conference

3 days a week, have study hall requirements daily, community service

and PE requirements (you have to fill out form attesting they have

completed). They do basically unit studies - the reading and science

and social studies are all wrapped up on a common subject or book. He

read 12 full novels last year (the kid doesnt like reading anything

but video game manuals) - some really more complex than I expected

(OCtober Sky, The Giver, Dr Franklin's Island, etc). I actually loved

the books myself - we spent a lot of time reading them at night

together. They do a lot of projects, etc. Its really a cool place -

I wish they had something like that when I was in school!!! If, by

some chance, you actually decide to try it out let me know - I can

sign up as an affiliate and get some off my tuition! I havent tried

that yet, but every bit helps! They use Aleks math for middle

school. High school math is taught though.

 

Cosmeo - www.cosmeo.com - a great supplemental website - lots of

video clips on every topic. Its by the same people as

unitedstreaming.com, the place where most schools get their video

clips used in classrooms. Its about $100/year (up to 5 kids accounts,

can save favorites, etcc). But be aware - they auto-charge your

account yearly if you dont cancel before the renewal date. Easy to

forget about after a year!

 

Spelling Time - www.spellingtime.com - We havent actually tried this.

I think he is just over the age for it to be the most useful. I have

reviewed the site a few times and want to do it and talk myself out

of it. They have a few sister sites for learning the state capitals,

etc.

 

Kaplan - http://www.kaplancollegepreparatory.com/middle/index.html -

they have some elementary and middle school online options. It goes

by states and is PUBLIC. In missouri, its MOVIP - http://www.movip6-

12.org/index.learn. THis is a state funded public school that is

actually considered advanced. He is taking two middle school

electtives this semester and we are feeling it! I felt he needed

reinforcement in grammer and reading so that's what we are taking.

They are definitely not " easy " classes. And missouri has Kindergarten

through HS online, as a public school. If you register early you can

get the statefunded slots which means it is FREE. You can use full

time or just for a class or two. I know they have in other states,

but not sure about CA.

 

Anyway, these are some of the sites I have come across after many,

many, many hours of searching and lots of failed attempts. My

situation is unique - one kid, doing " school at home " instead

of " homeschooling " and basically self-teaching (which is why I

originally looked into the Robinson curriculum). He stays home with

his grandpa all day (who does nothing but be in the house with him).

At night I type up a list of things he has to check off the next day

for each class, conference, and chores (clean room, brush teeth etc).

I know he is learning more than at regular schools. I took him to

sylvan before enrolling him in the 6th grade at 3dLearn because I

wanted him tested to be sure he was ready for 6th grade thinking

maybe I should put him in 5th. He tested way above grade level in

both reading and math (WAY above in math). I havent had him tested

again, but he's always surprising me.

 

 

herbal remedies , Frederique Nault

<feenault wrote:

>

> On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information

on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who

is 16 and dropping out of the system.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Frederique

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Leslie Montemayor <montemayor

> herbal remedies

> Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PM

> Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth &

The Mystery

>

>

>

> All  you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD

diagnoses.   The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. 

That is why teachers and school administrators became " doctors " and

diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law.   It is sad,

sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of

ritalin are 20 years down the road.  

>

> None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but

that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of

public school 13 years ago and never looked back.   We have been

happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the

box :-).

>

>

>

>

>

> At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

>

>

> Leslie Montemayor

>

> We worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that he

> is someone today.

> Stacie Tauscher

>

> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who

are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas

Jefferson

>

> " Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a

man's character, give him power.

> - Abraham Lincoln

>

> AMEN, finally someone who " sees " this made up " thing " as I do. The

> hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him

on

> " their " meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing

wrong

> with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

> asked her " When did you get your medical degree? " I always said

> " doping " up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was

about

> 10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

> go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference between

> my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this

question; " Have

> you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts? "

> That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

> his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy

(body &

> brain) young man.

> Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

>

> herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > The Myth & The Mystery

> >

> > /by

> > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

> >

> >

> > ADD & ADHD

> >

> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorder

> that

> > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

> > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn;

cannot or

> > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

> >

> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) a

> mental

> > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones

above

> > with " hyperactivity " being present./

> >

> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not " discovered " but were

> > " voted " into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric

> > Association? This is TRUE!!!

>

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Dear Lori,

Thanks for taking the time to write all that.

You are to be very highly commended for what you have done with your

children, and I admire you tremendously for having the guts to do what

YOU KNOW is right.

Others try to turn this into a religious statement, or attempt to push

some other religious, ethnic or political agenda, but your approach is

based on FREEDOM and allowing the child to learn and think for

themselves. This is awesome.

When you teach someone to actually study, look, and research for

themselves, you are so far ahead of the game.

This way a child forms his own conclusions, and will have his own

certainty about what is right and wrong. That and living life, and

observing what is around one, gives one an education.

If one takes the time to truly observe what they are looking at, and

take care to observe what they are observing, they will develop

themselves into a superior, valuable, responsible, and contributing

member of society.

Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

Doc

 

Lori Smith wrote:

 

 

Hi,

 

I have been homeschooling for over 16 years so I guess that makes me a

veteran. :)

 

There are public schools online, but I have never heard of

homeschooling online. Many people confuse the two. If you use a K-12

public school-based curricula online then you are still a

public-schooled student and muist answer to the school and their

demands. This is NOT homeschooling, it is public school at home. It is

important that these differences be made so that homechooling rights

cannot be further eroded by this dileanation of terms.

 

I do not know what state you are in, but you can go to Homeschool Legal

Defense Association (HSLDA), regardless of whether you agree with them

spiritually or politically as they have all 50 state laws on their site

and you can also keep up with any legislation in your state on this

site without having to join their program. We have never belonged to

HSLDA but I have taken advantage of the information posted there.

 

You can also go to your local public library and ask them if they have

a list of local homeschool groups in your area. Many homeschool groups,

both secular and religious, list with the local library so that

librarians can pass this information on to patrons who call in and ask.

You can also look online for the large state group in your state (I

live in Ohio so I would look for Ohio Home School Association and see

what pops up). Ask around! Most people today know of one or more

families who homeschool and they can give you the information for your

state on how to homeschool legally.

 

I highly suggest you do not allow your son to just quit school. Find

out how to legally opt him out in your state (do NOT rely on the school

for this information as they are often not in the know and ask for way

more info than you are required by law to give!) so that he will not be

labeled a "drop out". Instead, get your paperwork in order (it can take

one day if you have the right person helping you), take it to the local

Board of Education (if this is protocol in your state) and you will be

legal for homechooling. Some states only require that you notify the

school in writing. Others insist you send in paperwork. Some will

continue to make him take standardized tests. Some states make you keep

detailed logs. Others don't ever want to hear from you again. So it is

important to find out the law and follow it so you do not end up in

legal hell with your state (truancy laws).

 

We have always been "relaxed" homeschoolers (http://www.homeeducator.com/FamilyTimes/articles/11-4article8.htm)

who naturally fell into the unschooling (http://www.unschooling.com/) lifestyle

over time and as our kids began to grow up some (teen years). There are

many ways to homeschool and this site will give you a quick overview of

each one: http://www.homeschool.com/Approaches/.

There are also many books on homeschooling at the library that you can

take out and read for free. I highly suggest "Homeschooling For

Excellence", by David and Micki Colfax, even though it was published in

1983 (http://www.learningfamily.net/library/400/470-0446389862.htm).

Any book by John Taylor Gatto (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/dumbdnblum1.htm),

and "The Teenage Liberation Handbook" (How To Drop Out Of School And

Get A Real Life And Education), by Grace Llewellyn (very secular but

has some great wisdom). http://distancelearn.about.com/od/virtualhighschools/gr/TeenageLib.htm

 

If your son is 16, he should have the basic foundation for all of his

current and future educational needs (http://www.robinsoncurriculum.com/).

He knows how to write reports, find information, read, write, cipher,

and you will have to see what you think he really needs at this age. He

most likely will find his strengths and interests and will excel in

those areas (if he hasn't already) and will amaze you at his abilities

and capabilites in these areas. And every kid grows and gains great

experience, life skills, and enhances their education just by working.

A job does more to grow them intellectually and in real life than any

other endeavor, including school.

 

 

And if your son wants to go to college one day here are colleges who

will admit him if he met their real criteria (no diploma):

http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html

 

I have eight kids, four of whom we homeschooled all through school

(actually one is 16 1/2 and is still enrolled), but all have had a

great experience and all are intelligent and educated in their own

right. My kids have never "done" school like their peers, never took

tests other than an occasional spelling test that they requested for

themselves, and are not "standardized" (I do not want standardized,

cookie-cutter kids). Do my kids know everything their peers know? No.

Do my kids' peers know everything my kids know? No. Each one of my kids

are individual and have their own educations that fit exactly who they

are. And each one is an amazing and awesome person in their own right.

I never cared if my kids could "keep up" with their public-schooled

peers, I just wanted my kids to be educated and to excel in their own

God-given strengths. I have not been disappointed.

 

Find what fits you and your son best (both yours and his expectations

and needs), then go out on your own and live life to its fullest as a

family. That is the freedom of homeschooling. You are not bogged down

with someone else's ideals for your young adult or your family. If you

want to incorporate something into your child's learning that is not on

the state mandated curriculum you have that choice. If you want to

follow the state curriculum, that is your choice.

 

My kids can make change from a monetary transaction in their head (most

of their peers cannot!), have and keep their own checkbooks (from age

16 up), go to work at age 15, begin to handle much of their own needs

from the time they begin to work so that they will be ready to

transition into adulthood by age 18, and pay and keep track of their

own bills (car payments even though in mine or my husband's names

because of interest and credit histories, insurance payments on cars,

their own gasoline consumption, most of their own personal care

products, half of their clothing at age 15 and all of it by age 17, and

so on), and they have grown up to be responsible and savvy consumers

with good credit histories and knowledge of what it means to live in

the "Real World". In other words, they are not infantalized and

dependent like so many of their peers who can't cook, keep a checkbook,

or like some who have never held a job though they are 18-19 years old!

My kids were more than ready to take the reigns of their lives by age

18.

 

I also gave my kids their own diplomas from our homeschool that I make

up on the computer. We have always been registered with the local

schools (legal) and since we are like a private school I have taken the

liberty to do this. Most employers accept them. They may not be

"accredited" with the state, but we can prove that my kids went the

required length of time, was seen by a certified teacher (portfolio

reviews every year), and followed the law all through school. My kids

had zero to do with the local schools except when they went to a

program with one of their friends (extra-curricular such as plays or

football games). Homeschoolers can even go to the Prom or Homecoming if

they are invited by one of their friends and go as their guest.

 

I am not telling you how to live. I am telling you a bit of my own

experiences and what has worked for our family. Every family is

different and has their own expectations and needs. Real freedom

includes freedom to choose our own educational needs and choices for

our own families. It is not forced on a populace through compulsory

schooling laws. And notice it is compulsory schooling (training) and

not compulsory education laws! Big difference.

 

Okay, I am off of my soap box for now! (lol) Hope I have given you the

information you sought and some things to ponder over.

 

If you do live in Ohio and want some help, please feel free to contact

me (homeschoolmom42 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com).

 

 

Lori

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schooling is not education, and

education is not schooling~John Taylor Gatto

 

 

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies

feenault

Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:24:51 -0800

Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth &

The Mystery

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any

information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for

my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor (AT) mindspring (DOT) com>

herbal remedies

Wednesday,

November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PM

Re: {Herbal

Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

 

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD

diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child.

That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and

diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad,

sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin

are 20 years down the road.

 

None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that

may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public

school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily

unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).

 

 

 

 

 

At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

 

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made

up "thing" as I do. The

hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on

"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrong

with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

asked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said

"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about

10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference between

my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question;

"Have

you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"

That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body

&

brain) young man.

Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

 

herbal remedies@

. com, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:

>

> The Myth & The Mystery

>

> /by

> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

>

>

> ADD & ADHD

>

> /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorder

that

> is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

> directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot

or

> lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

>

> /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) a

mental

> disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones

above

> with "hyperactivity" being present./

>

> Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were

> "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric

> Association? This is TRUE!!!

 

 

Leslie Montemayor

 

We worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that he

is someone today.

Stacie Tauscher

 

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are

willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

 

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's

character, give him power.

- Abraham Lincoln

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you Mike.

I too like to create words such as "Repooplican" and "Democrap".

But this only shows that I'm very much into cleansing with a general

low opinion of politics and politicians. LOL ;-)

Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

Doc

 

Michael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Doc,

 

You are most welcome. I hope that Robinson is found to be

a good learning system for knowledge and character building.

 

On the dictionary, absolutely. There is nothing like an

older dictionary or a new one not

poisoned with socio political agendas... which render

definitions not only worthless, but destructively misleading.

 

.....................................................................

On that note, I create words and phrases from time to

time, and have in our current

atmosphere sadly felt the need to create two in this past

year.

 

1. Economic Treason... the extreme intentional

misuse and waste of public trust and funds and the immoral enrichment

of ones self and friends with those funds either directly or indirectly

 

2.Pres-sedition: An impeachable offense against

the people of the United States, This is the seditious plan, plot or

intent to use direct permit, tolerate, or inspire, or actual use of

political influence to

by pass or attenuate the peoples current

constitutional rights by a president or the intent to undermine those

rights through order, committee, judicial abuse, appointment, judicial

appointment, or other means.

 

so such an act or acts would be pres-seditious

by one or more members of congress it would be

congress-seditious

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Doc <DocShillington (AT) Knology (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

 

Doc <DocShillington (AT) Knology (DOT) net>

Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth &

The Mystery

herbal remedies

Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:24 AM

 

 

 

Dear

Michael,

Thanks for recommending Robinson.

It DOES look like a great program.

The only addition I'd recommend at this time without getting deeper

into the program is the purchase of:

"The New Oxford American Dictionary".

Sometimes the various Websters editions get infiltrated by the Psychs

and their agenda.

Also, the above Oxford also comes with a CD that works with most word

processors on your PC.

A great tool I use all the time.

Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,

Doc

 

Michael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not heard of internet based home

schooling. Some years ago, I did come across an entire curriculum on

cds . It was called the Robinson Curriculum.. . about 20 cds for around

200 to 300 dollars for quite a few years of schooling . You only needed

to add a math book to it... I think you could find a Robinson

curriculum used on the net at a fair price... if you look around...

They contained a lot of classical literature and history no longer

under copyright law protection.. .

 

I looked around a bit for you on the net,and

hope the info below is helpful...Mike

 

Homeschool Curriculum Excellence An

Excellent K-12 Home School Curriculum Developed by a

scientist and his six children Teach your children to teach ...

www.robinsoncurriculum.com/

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Frederique

Nault <feenault >

Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth &

The Mystery

herbal remedies

Saturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone

have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good

school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PM

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Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The

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All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD

diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child.

That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and

diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad,

sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin

are 20 years down the road.

 

None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that

may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public

school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily

unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).

 

 

 

 

 

At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

 

AMEN,

finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. The

hell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on

"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrong

with him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, I

asked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said

"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about

10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kids

go, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference between

my son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question;

"Have

you ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"

That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limit

his sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body

&

brain) young man.

Thank you very much for the uplifting post.

 

herbal remedies, Doc

<DocShillington@ ...> wrote:

>

> The Myth & The Mystery

>

> /by

> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/

>

>

> ADD & ADHD

>

> /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorder

that

> is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow

> directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot

or

> lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./

>

> /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) a

mental

> disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones

above

> with "hyperactivity" being present./

>

> Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were

> "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric

> Association? This is TRUE!!!

 

 

Leslie

Montemayor

 

We worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that he

is someone today.

Stacie Tauscher

 

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are

willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

 

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's

character, give him power.

- Abraham Lincoln

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Thank you everyone who gave advice on home schooling. Your help and comments are much appreciated. We are based in Indonesia and will look into all avenues for him:

 

Blessings,Frederique

 

 

 

Doc <DocShillingtonherbal remedies Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:47:49 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

Thank you Mike.I too like to create words such as "Repooplican" and "Democrap".But this only shows that I'm very much into cleansing with a general low opinion of politics and politicians. LOL ;-)Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,DocMichael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Doc,

 

You are most welcome. I hope that Robinson is found to be a good learning system for knowledge and character building.

 

On the dictionary, absolutely. There is nothing like an older dictionary or a new one not

poisoned with socio political agendas... which render definitions not only worthless, but destructively misleading.

 

............. ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..

On that note, I create words and phrases from time to time, and have in our current

atmosphere sadly felt the need to create two in this past year.

 

1. Economic Treason... the extreme intentional misuse and waste of public trust and funds and the immoral enrichment of ones self and friends with those funds either directly or indirectly

 

2.Pres-sedition: An impeachable offense against the people of the United States, This is the seditious plan, plot or intent to use direct permit, tolerate, or inspire, or actual use of political influence to

by pass or attenuate the peoples current constitutional rights by a president or the intent to undermine those rights through order, committee, judicial abuse, appointment, judicial appointment, or other means.

 

so such an act or acts would be pres-seditious

by one or more members of congress it would be congress-seditious

 

 

Mike

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Doc <DocShillington@ Knology.net> wrote:

Doc <DocShillington@ Knology.net>Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remediesSunday, November 16, 2008, 8:24 AM

 

 

Dear Michael,Thanks for recommending Robinson.It DOES look like a great program.The only addition I'd recommend at this time without getting deeper into the program is the purchase of:"The New Oxford American Dictionary".Sometimes the various Websters editions get infiltrated by the Psychs and their agenda.Also, the above Oxford also comes with a CD that works with most word processors on your PC.A great tool I use all the time.Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,DocMichael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not heard of internet based home schooling. Some years ago, I did come across an entire curriculum on cds . It was called the Robinson Curriculum.. . about 20 cds for around 200 to 300 dollars for quite a few years of schooling . You only needed to add a math book to it... I think you could find a Robinson curriculum used on the net at a fair price... if you look around... They contained a lot of classical literature and history no longer under copyright law protection.. .

 

I looked around a bit for you on the net,and hope the info below is helpful...MikeHomeschool Curriculum Excellence An Excellent K-12 Home School Curriculum Developed by a scientist and his six children Teach your children to teach ...www.robinsoncurriculum.com/ -

 

 

 

 

 

 

Education: The three most compelling reasons to buy A² are education, education and education. There is no reason to purchase a curriculum unless your children will thrive academically on it. Many of our users report that their children are advancing up to two grade levels each and every year. Our methods teach children how to learn, not just to memorize facts. Most of our materials were first published long before political correctness was conceived so they are untouched by current fads and revisionist history, etc.

Ease of use: A² is very easy to use. If you can navigate a simple web site, you can use A² Curriculum. A² is a huge web site resident on a CD so no internet connection is required. Just click and print the text book. That is all there is to using A², in fact many families assign the duties of printing the materials to their children. Almost all the files on the A² CD are either html, text, or pdf files, the most common and easiest to use file types on the web. Recently we called a family to provide technical support. A delightful twelve year old young lady explained the problem she was encountering, and followed the instructions perfectly as we resolved the problem. This twelve year old girl was using A² to educate her younger brother while their single mother was at work.

Organization: Everything is laid out for you with a complete scope and sequence providing a clear road map for your homeschool. Everything is organized by grade level and by subject.

Value: Homeschool curriculum is expensive. Curriculum costs hundreds of dollars, per child, each and every year. It can cost $300 for a single course for a year. A² covers kindergarten through 12th grade. It only costs $99 and the whole family can use it for no additional cost. This means that A² only costs $7.70 per year. That cannot be beat.

Workload: Many products require extensive work on the part of parents; preparation, lesson plans, record keeping, correcting papers and worksheets. Some of this is impossible to avoid; however, A² has minimized the work to an amazing degree without compromizing your child's education. Using our methods and materials eliminates the need for lesson plans. Correcting papers and worksheets cannot be avoided; however, our methods almost (but not quite) make this a thing of the past. We do this by making children responsible for their own education.

Support: When you buy A² you are not on your own. We operate a user group with hundreds of others who also use A². They are wonderful. These good people are available to answer a host of questions. Thousands of messages are in our archives, available to be searched and referenced. You also get the home phone number of the creator of A². When you require personal technical support or just a little hand holding; it is as close as your telephone.

Quality: Many of our text books were in common usage in the 1800's. In those days schools were run by parents, and schools had very limited financial resources. Teachers frequently only had an eighth grade education. The books they used had to work and work well. The books had to be simple enough for these teachers to use and the principles they taught had to be self evident. Can old books possibly be as good as modern text book? The answer is a resounding YES! Nouns and verbs have not changed in several life times. Algebra and geometry are unchanged. History books written close the the events are frequently more accurate than those written years later.

Unique Content: You may have heard that A² contains many public domain texts available for free on the Internet. This is true. These free materials are not ready to print and may require a high speed Internet connection to download. If these materials are printed without being properly formatted they will waste paper, creating unnecessary cost. The public domain materials that form the core of A² are formatted and ready to print, saving you time and money. Many of the materials contained in A² are unique and are not public domain. Our phonics materials, grammar game, math worksheet generator, math text, and many other materials are either not public domain or are not readily available elsewhere. A²: often imitated, but never duplicated.

 

 

 

Education!

 

The object and design of education is Liberty!

 

 

We teach morality so they will be free from vice.

We teach literacy so they will be free from ignorance.

We teach economics to free them from financial bondage

--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Frederique Nault <feenault > wrote:

Frederique Nault <feenault >Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remediesSaturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor@mindspri ng.com>herbal remediesWednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road. None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. Thehell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrongwith him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, Iasked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kidsgo, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference betweenmy son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; "Haveyou ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limithis sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body & brain) young man.Thank you very much for the

uplifting post.herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:>> The Myth & The Mystery> > /by> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/> > > ADD & ADHD> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorderthat > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) amental > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above > with "hyperactivity" being present./> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not

"discovered" but were > "voted" into existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric > Association? This is TRUE!!!

Leslie MontemayorWe worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that heis someone today.Stacie TauscherThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.- Abraham Lincoln

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good luck with your home schooling search...

 

great words doc ! ;)

 

Mike--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Frederique Nault <feenault wrote:

Frederique Nault <feenaultRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remedies Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 9:18 AM

 

 

 

 

Thank you everyone who gave advice on home schooling. Your help and comments are much appreciated. We are based in Indonesia and will look into all avenues for him:

 

Blessings,Frederique

 

 

 

Doc <DocShillington@ Knology.net>herbal remediesMonday, November 17, 2008 6:47:49 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

Thank you Mike.I too like to create words such as "Repooplican" and "Democrap".But this only shows that I'm very much into cleansing with a general low opinion of politics and politicians. LOL ;-)Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,DocMichael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Doc,

 

You are most welcome. I hope that Robinson is found to be a good learning system for knowledge and character building.

 

On the dictionary, absolutely. There is nothing like an older dictionary or a new one not

poisoned with socio political agendas... which render definitions not only worthless, but destructively misleading.

 

............. ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..

On that note, I create words and phrases from time to time, and have in our current

atmosphere sadly felt the need to create two in this past year.

 

1. Economic Treason... the extreme intentional misuse and waste of public trust and funds and the immoral enrichment of ones self and friends with those funds either directly or indirectly

 

2.Pres-sedition: An impeachable offense against the people of the United States, This is the seditious plan, plot or intent to use direct permit, tolerate, or inspire, or actual use of political influence to

by pass or attenuate the peoples current constitutional rights by a president or the intent to undermine those rights through order, committee, judicial abuse, appointment, judicial appointment, or other means.

 

so such an act or acts would be pres-seditious

by one or more members of congress it would be congress-seditious

 

 

Mike

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Doc <DocShillington@ Knology.net> wrote:

Doc <DocShillington@ Knology.net>Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remediesSunday, November 16, 2008, 8:24 AM

 

 

Dear Michael,Thanks for recommending Robinson.It DOES look like a great program.The only addition I'd recommend at this time without getting deeper into the program is the purchase of:"The New Oxford American Dictionary".Sometimes the various Websters editions get infiltrated by the Psychs and their agenda.Also, the above Oxford also comes with a CD that works with most word processors on your PC.A great tool I use all the time.Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom,DocMichael traster wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not heard of internet based home schooling. Some years ago, I did come across an entire curriculum on cds . It was called the Robinson Curriculum.. . about 20 cds for around 200 to 300 dollars for quite a few years of schooling . You only needed to add a math book to it... I think you could find a Robinson curriculum used on the net at a fair price... if you look around... They contained a lot of classical literature and history no longer under copyright law protection.. .

 

I looked around a bit for you on the net,and hope the info below is helpful...MikeHomeschool Curriculum Excellence An Excellent K-12 Home School Curriculum Developed by a scientist and his six children Teach your children to teach ...www.robinsoncurriculum.com/ -

 

 

 

 

 

 

Education: The three most compelling reasons to buy A² are education, education and education. There is no reason to purchase a curriculum unless your children will thrive academically on it. Many of our users report that their children are advancing up to two grade levels each and every year. Our methods teach children how to learn, not just to memorize facts. Most of our materials were first published long before political correctness was conceived so they are untouched by current fads and revisionist history, etc.

Ease of use: A² is very easy to use. If you can navigate a simple web site, you can use A² Curriculum. A² is a huge web site resident on a CD so no internet connection is required. Just click and print the text book. That is all there is to using A², in fact many families assign the duties of printing the materials to their children. Almost all the files on the A² CD are either html, text, or pdf files, the most common and easiest to use file types on the web. Recently we called a family to provide technical support. A delightful twelve year old young lady explained the problem she was encountering, and followed the instructions perfectly as we resolved the problem. This twelve year old girl was using A² to educate her younger brother while their single mother was at work.

Organization: Everything is laid out for you with a complete scope and sequence providing a clear road map for your homeschool. Everything is organized by grade level and by subject.

Value: Homeschool curriculum is expensive. Curriculum costs hundreds of dollars, per child, each and every year. It can cost $300 for a single course for a year. A² covers kindergarten through 12th grade. It only costs $99 and the whole family can use it for no additional cost. This means that A² only costs $7.70 per year. That cannot be beat.

Workload: Many products require extensive work on the part of parents; preparation, lesson plans, record keeping, correcting papers and worksheets. Some of this is impossible to avoid; however, A² has minimized the work to an amazing degree without compromizing your child's education. Using our methods and materials eliminates the need for lesson plans. Correcting papers and worksheets cannot be avoided; however, our methods almost (but not quite) make this a thing of the past. We do this by making children responsible for their own education.

Support: When you buy A² you are not on your own. We operate a user group with hundreds of others who also use A². They are wonderful. These good people are available to answer a host of questions. Thousands of messages are in our archives, available to be searched and referenced. You also get the home phone number of the creator of A². When you require personal technical support or just a little hand holding; it is as close as your telephone.

Quality: Many of our text books were in common usage in the 1800's. In those days schools were run by parents, and schools had very limited financial resources. Teachers frequently only had an eighth grade education. The books they used had to work and work well. The books had to be simple enough for these teachers to use and the principles they taught had to be self evident. Can old books possibly be as good as modern text book? The answer is a resounding YES! Nouns and verbs have not changed in several life times. Algebra and geometry are unchanged. History books written close the the events are frequently more accurate than those written years later.

Unique Content: You may have heard that A² contains many public domain texts available for free on the Internet. This is true. These free materials are not ready to print and may require a high speed Internet connection to download. If these materials are printed without being properly formatted they will waste paper, creating unnecessary cost. The public domain materials that form the core of A² are formatted and ready to print, saving you time and money. Many of the materials contained in A² are unique and are not public domain. Our phonics materials, grammar game, math worksheet generator, math text, and many other materials are either not public domain or are not readily available elsewhere. A²: often imitated, but never duplicated.

 

 

 

Education!

 

The object and design of education is Liberty!

 

 

We teach morality so they will be free from vice.

We teach literacy so they will be free from ignorance.

We teach economics to free them from financial bondage

--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Frederique Nault <feenault > wrote:

Frederique Nault <feenault >Re: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mysteryherbal remediesSaturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 AM

 

 

 

 

On the subject of home schooling, does anyone have any information on internet schooling? I am looking for a good school for my son who is 16 and dropping out of the system.

 

Thanks,

 

Frederique

 

 

 

Leslie Montemayor <montemayor@mindspri ng.com>herbal remediesWednesday, November 12, 2008 3:41:01 PMRe: {Herbal Remedies} Re: More on the Psychs - The Myth & The Mystery

 

All you have to do is follow the money trail for the ADD and ADHD diagnoses. The schools get a lot of money for a diagnosed child. That is why teachers and school administrators became "doctors" and diagnosed students, which of course, is against the law. It is sad, sad, sad, especially since they don't know what the effects of ritalin are 20 years down the road. None of my children were ever told they had to be on Ritalin, but that may have had to do with the fact that I pulled them out of public school 13 years ago and never looked back. We have been happpily unschooling, and what an adventure it has been outside the box :-).At 08:51 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:

AMEN, finally someone who "sees" this made up "thing" as I do. Thehell I went through with my son (he's 20 now). I never did put him on"their" meds, I kept telling his teachers, etc there was nothing wrongwith him, I had one teacher DEMAND that I put my son on medicine, Iasked her "When did you get your medical degree?" I always said"doping" up my son was against my beliefs. Also when my son was about10 (that summer), I went to all different kinds of places that kidsgo, like parks, etc. & watched the kids, I saw no difference betweenmy son & ALL the other kids. I also always asked this question; "Haveyou ever watched nature shows?, Did you see how all the young acts?"That always shut them up. While my son was growing up, I would limithis sugar intake, among other things. He is now a VERY healthy (body & brain) young man.Thank you very much for the

uplifting post.herbal remedies, Doc <DocShillington@ ...> wrote:>> The Myth & The Mystery> > /by> Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. (Retired)/> > > ADD & ADHD> > /*Definition: ADD* - Attention Deficit Disorder, a mental disorderthat > is a combination of behaviors in children such as; can't follow > directions; can't sit still; speaking in class out of turn; cannot or > lacks focus; gets angry or confused, etc. etc./> > /*Definition: ADHD* (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) amental > disorder that is a combination of behaviors similar to the ones above > with "hyperactivity" being present./> > Do you know that both ADD and ADHD were not "discovered" but were > "voted" into

existence by a committee of the American Psychiatric > Association? This is TRUE!!!

Leslie MontemayorWe worry about what a child will be tomorrow, yet we forget that heis someone today.Stacie TauscherThe democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work, and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.- Abraham Lincoln

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