Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 An interesting write up I saw on the internet. How true, I WONDER WHAT PRICE HE PAID FOR THIS ACCUSATION, I couldn't say this any better than the quote by Andrew Jackson below; " Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out. " Andrew Jackson To a delegation of bankers - 1832 Isn't it funny how History repeats itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 They don't make men like that nowadays. (sigh) Doc vince107403 wrote: An interesting write up I saw on the internet. How true, I WONDER WHAT PRICE HE PAID FOR THIS ACCUSATION, I couldn't say this any better than the quote by Andrew Jackson below; "Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out." Andrew Jackson To a delegation of bankers - 1832 Isn't it funny how History repeats itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 They do make men like that, unfortunately, they don't go into politics, and if they do, they don't make it very far. People put more stock in charisma than in thought and ideas. People are more interested in what the government will do for them, rather than what it's doing to them.-DougDoc <DocShillingtonherbal remedies Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:33:43 AMRe: {Herbal Remedies} There where some good men They don't make men like that nowadays. (sigh) Doc vince107403 wrote: An interesting write up I saw on the internet. How true, I WONDER WHAT PRICE HE PAID FOR THIS ACCUSATION, I couldn't say this any better than the quote by Andrew Jackson below; "Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out." Andrew Jackson To a delegation of bankers - 1832 Isn't it funny how History repeats itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Before we do more gushing over Andrew Jackson's worth as a man of honor, please do a little research into the role he played in the Cherokee Trail of Tears. Bear in mind that what he did to thwart a Supreme Court ruling, and the means he used (which killed a quarter of the population of a nation that was living in peace with the United States), he did just a couple of years after he fought with the Cherokee against another tribe (The Creek Confederacy) and after a Cherokee (Junaluska) saved him from certain death at the hands of a Creek warrior. He was right about the bankers. Whether his correctness was the result of good judgment and common decency or some other motivation, I don't know. But I do question the man's overall decency and honor, and his respect for the government structure handed down by the country's founders. Seems to me he had the same respect the current ilk have -- the Supreme Court and rule of law were all well and good -- until it blocked something he (or his backers) wanted. My personal view is that institutions that convey power and control over others (whether those institutions be governmental, religious, educational or benevolent), always have and always will lure their leadership toward corruption. It is an exceptional man or woman who can withstand the pull, and often that person's own values blind them to the ambitions of others with few or no scruples. Mostly when I'm looking at organizational leaders, I'm looking for differences in the extent of corruption and dishonesty. I think the country may benefit because Obama is younger both in years and in exposure to significant power and wealth, and may, therefore, have had less corrupting experience. McCain, on the other hand, has been right in the thick of it for decades longer, and yes I do believe that eroded his values, his scruples, and his honesty. --- On Wed, 11/5/08, doug greene <greenedo wrote: > doug greene <greenedo > Re: {Herbal Remedies} There where some good men > herbal remedies > Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:14 PM > They do make men like that, unfortunately, they don't go > into politics, and if they do, they don't make it very > far. People put more stock in charisma than in thought and > ideas. People are more interested in what the government > will do for them, rather than what it's doing to them. > -Doug > > > > > ________________________________ > Doc <DocShillington > herbal remedies > Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:33:43 AM > Re: {Herbal Remedies} There where some good men > > > They don't make men like > that nowadays. > (sigh) > Doc > > vince107403 wrote: > An interesting write up I saw on the internet. How true, I > WONDER > WHAT PRICE HE PAID FOR THIS ACCUSATION, > > I couldn't say this any better than the quote by Andrew > Jackson below; > > " Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long > time, and I am > convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to > speculate in > the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided > the profits > amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. > You tell > me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its > charter, I > shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, > gentlemen, but > that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin > fifty > thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den > of vipers > and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal > God, I will > rout you out. " > > Andrew Jackson > > To a delegation of bankers - 1832 > > Isn't it funny how History repeats itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Thank you Janet Smith for saying something and speaking up about Andrew Jackson. He caused an estimated 8000 deaths of the people force marched on the Cherokee Trail of Tears. It is past time that the American people get their head out of the sand. I have spent four years of my life digging up the truth. Most people take it for granted that the history in our history books is the truth. Far from it. The American Native American Indian was far more sophisticated than the new comers that arrived on our shores, (because of thier own strife in thier European homeland).They were first made welcomed and given food.It was not the Indian who was the savage ..Millions of Inocent Indians were killed. The people who built "America" were here as indentured servants, and usually kicked out of thier own country.And worked for the King or Queen to book passage out, and to be here.After land was staked and claimed in the name of the monarch back home, they then set up a court and sheriff system. A court house and Jail and taxes was first on thier agenda.It was not freedome , it was a commitment to the Royalty back home, as indentured servants. Four hundred years ago. the newcomers took the land for free and look at us now.What has been done? What have we done to this beautiful land? Barb aka Earthfeather ( PHD, CDP) Descendant of Native America and the Irish Basque, Lenni-Lenapa, Shawnee, Powhatan, Cherokee, Sauk & Fox--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Janet Smith <owlstar9181 wrote: Janet Smith <owlstar9181Re: {Herbal Remedies} There where some good menherbal remedies Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 4:06 PM Before we do more gushing over Andrew Jackson's worth as a man of honor, please do a little research into the role he played in the Cherokee Trail of Tears. Bear in mind that what he did to thwart a Supreme Court ruling, and the means he used (which killed a quarter of the population of a nation that was living in peace with the United States), he did just a couple of years after he fought with the Cherokee against another tribe (The Creek Confederacy) and after a Cherokee (Junaluska) saved him from certain death at the hands of a Creek warrior. He was right about the bankers. Whether his correctness was the result of good judgment and common decency or some other motivation, I don't know. But I do question the man's overall decency and honor, and his respect for the government structure handed down by the country's founders. Seems to me he had the same respect the current ilk have -- the Supreme Court and rule of law were all well and good -- until it blocked something he (or his backers) wanted.My personal view is that institutions that convey power and control over others (whether those institutions be governmental, religious, educational or benevolent), always have and always will lure their leadership toward corruption. It is an exceptional man or woman who can withstand the pull, and often that person's own values blind them to the ambitions of others with few or no scruples. Mostly when I'm looking at organizational leaders, I'm looking for differences in the extent of corruption and dishonesty. I think the country may benefit because Obama is younger both in years and in exposure to significant power and wealth, and may, therefore, have had less corrupting experience. McCain, on the other hand, has been right in the thick of it for decades longer, and yes I do believe that eroded his values, his scruples, and his honesty.--- On Wed, 11/5/08, doug greene <greenedo > wrote:> doug greene <greenedo >> Re: {Herbal Remedies} There where some good men> herbal remedies> Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:14 PM> They do make men like that, unfortunately, they don't go> into politics, and if they do, they don't make it very> far. People put more stock in charisma than in thought and> ideas. People are more interested in what the government> will do for them, rather than what it's doing to them.> -Doug> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Doc <DocShillington@ Knology.net>> herbal remedies> Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:33:43 AM> Re: {Herbal Remedies} There where some good men> > > They don't make men like> that nowadays. > (sigh)> Doc> > vince107403 wrote: > An interesting write up I saw on the internet. How true, I> WONDER > WHAT PRICE HE PAID FOR THIS ACCUSATION, > > I couldn't say this any better than the quote by Andrew> Jackson below;> > "Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long> time, and I am > convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to> speculate in > the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided> the profits > amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank.> You tell > me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its> charter, I > shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true,> gentlemen, but > that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin> fifty > thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den> of vipers > and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal> God, I will > rout you out."> > Andrew Jackson> > To a delegation of bankers - 1832> > Isn't it funny how History repeats itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Hi Guys I can see that my original post has caused some upset on the topic of Andrew 'jackson. I just want to clarify my comment was on his statement about the banking fraternity even then. I was struck by his disclosure of this closed group and was surprised to see just how long this activity had been going on for. My knowledge of the man went no further than my post. As an man of irish descent I understand racial supression, and the emotion that this can stir up. I just wanted to let you know my post was simply based on this and not an endorsement of Andrew Jacksons life history and acts. Best Vince Vince Nash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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