Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Would appreciate advice regarding treatment of lymphadema (edema due to malfunction of lymphatic drainage). Does anyone know if acupuncture and herbs can actually cure this or just improve it? Also, which formula would you recommend? Details: Female age 47 has had lymphadema (swelling) of left leg and foot for many years. (She thinks it is connected to being stuck with a stick in her foot at age 12; however, it can be hereditary). Past 6 months, right foot is beginning to swell, too. Background: Pt is kidney deficient (weak Ki pulses, allergies, bladder prolapse surgery in '06); no cold signs, however. She runs warm; pulse is slightly rapid; front pulses slippery/wiry, Spleen moderate, Liver thin. Tongue is a tad pale, some teethmarks, thick white coat, heavier on the root. Everything else normal except constipation and painful arthritis in neck. All input is most appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 There's lymphatic massage and brushing that can significantly reduce the swelling. The patient may already have that advice if she has the dx of lymphedema. Needles may be contraindicated locally - possibility of provoking cellulitis. Janis --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup wrote: > Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup > Lymphadema Treatment > Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:56 PM > Would appreciate advice regarding treatment of lymphadema > (edema due > to malfunction of lymphatic drainage). Does anyone know if > > acupuncture and herbs can actually cure this or just > improve it? > Also, which formula would you recommend? > Details: Female age 47 has had lymphadema (swelling) of > left leg and > foot for many years. (She thinks it is connected to being > stuck with a > stick in her foot at age 12; however, it can be > hereditary). Past 6 > months, right foot is beginning to swell, too. > Background: Pt is kidney deficient (weak Ki pulses, > allergies, > bladder prolapse surgery in '06); no cold signs, > however. She runs > warm; pulse is slightly rapid; front pulses slippery/wiry, > Spleen > moderate, Liver thin. Tongue is a tad pale, some > teethmarks, thick > white coat, heavier on the root. Everything else normal > except > constipation and painful arthritis in neck. > All input is most appreciated! > > > --- > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for > Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication > outside the group requires prior permission from the > author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message > if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I would strengthen spleen and kidney to transport the water. Spleen 6, Spleen 9 and Kidney 3 (Kidney 7) as a start. edema in the foot is usually week kidneys I think. Kidney problems tend to show up in lower part of body, that is if kidney yang/qi cannot lift the fluid accumulated in the feet. This may also give heat signs above, the yin going down and cannot control yang in the upper part /Peter Chinese Medicine , " Nancy Corsaro " <eastwestacup wrote: > > Would appreciate advice regarding treatment of lymphadema (edema due > to malfunction of lymphatic drainage). Does anyone know if > acupuncture and herbs can actually cure this or just improve it? > Also, which formula would you recommend? > Details: Female age 47 has had lymphadema (swelling) of left leg and > foot for many years. (She thinks it is connected to being stuck with a > stick in her foot at age 12; however, it can be hereditary). Past 6 > months, right foot is beginning to swell, too. > Background: Pt is kidney deficient (weak Ki pulses, allergies, > bladder prolapse surgery in '06); no cold signs, however. She runs > warm; pulse is slightly rapid; front pulses slippery/wiry, Spleen > moderate, Liver thin. Tongue is a tad pale, some teethmarks, thick > white coat, heavier on the root. Everything else normal except > constipation and painful arthritis in neck. > All input is most appreciated! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 SP 5 and GB 41 are the two basic points for edema on the dorsum pedis according to the CAM (Beijing) yellow book. Edema in the legs is called Yin edema (SP/ KD yang xu) Moxa is indicated at Du 4, UB 23, Ren 4/6. However, your patient has heat signs in the pulse (sl. rapid) and feels warm and cold signs in the tongue (paleish, teethmarks, thick white coat) Is this false heat and true cold? The tongue tells the truth and the pulse quality can lie in that situation... or does she have heat signs in the chest and head and cold signs below the waist? That could be a moxa KD 1 situation (very common) K. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Peter Johansson <pejo_mstdwrote: > I would strengthen spleen and kidney to transport the water. > > Spleen 6, Spleen 9 and Kidney 3 (Kidney 7) as a start. > > edema in the foot is usually week kidneys I think. Kidney problems > tend to show up in lower part of body, that is if kidney yang/qi > cannot lift the fluid accumulated in the feet. This may also give heat > signs above, the yin going down and cannot control yang in the upper part > > /Peter > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Nancy Corsaro " > <eastwestacup wrote: > > > > Would appreciate advice regarding treatment of lymphadema (edema due > > to malfunction of lymphatic drainage). Does anyone know if > > acupuncture and herbs can actually cure this or just improve it? > > Also, which formula would you recommend? > > Details: Female age 47 has had lymphadema (swelling) of left leg and > > foot for many years. (She thinks it is connected to being stuck with a > > stick in her foot at age 12; however, it can be hereditary). Past 6 > > months, right foot is beginning to swell, too. > > Background: Pt is kidney deficient (weak Ki pulses, allergies, > > bladder prolapse surgery in '06); no cold signs, however. She runs > > warm; pulse is slightly rapid; front pulses slippery/wiry, Spleen > > moderate, Liver thin. Tongue is a tad pale, some teethmarks, thick > > white coat, heavier on the root. Everything else normal except > > constipation and painful arthritis in neck. > > All input is most appreciated! > > > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Thank you, Janis. I was hoping that someone out there can give me some TCM treatment advice, and answer my question as to the prognosis with acu and herbal. All comments appreciated! In Chinese Medicine , Janis Egan <janis3934 wrote: > > There's lymphatic massage and brushing that can significantly reduce the swelling. The patient may already have that advice if she has the dx of lymphedema. > > Needles may be contraindicated locally - possibility of provoking cellulitis. > > Janis > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup wrote: > > > Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup > > Lymphadema Treatment > > Chinese Medicine > > Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:56 PM > > Would appreciate advice regarding treatment of lymphadema > > (edema due > > to malfunction of lymphatic drainage). Does anyone know if > > > > acupuncture and herbs can actually cure this or just > > improve it? > > Also, which formula would you recommend? > > Details: Female age 47 has had lymphadema (swelling) of > > left leg and > > foot for many years. (She thinks it is connected to being > > stuck with a > > stick in her foot at age 12; however, it can be > > hereditary). Past 6 > > months, right foot is beginning to swell, too. > > Background: Pt is kidney deficient (weak Ki pulses, > > allergies, > > bladder prolapse surgery in '06); no cold signs, > > however. She runs > > warm; pulse is slightly rapid; front pulses slippery/wiry, > > Spleen > > moderate, Liver thin. Tongue is a tad pale, some > > teethmarks, thick > > white coat, heavier on the root. Everything else normal > > except > > constipation and painful arthritis in neck. > > All input is most appreciated! > > > > > > --- > > > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Chinese > > Medicine Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for > > Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > > > > > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication > > outside the group requires prior permission from the > > author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message > > if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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