Complicated case : Bu zhong yi qi tang ?

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A question for those more experienced practitioners out there:

 

Does in your experience Bu zhong yi qi tang help for this condition? (Yin

fire)

 

Currently: the many cycles of inflammation and damage and the years

of steroid use have left my body very degenerated and 'wasting'. I

clearly have signs of excess heat, deficiency heat, damp/heat,

deficiency/stagnation/heat in the blood, jinye deficiency, yin

deficiency, Lung qi def., Spleen Qi def., and all with a Jing

deficiency underlying it.

 

Going back to what Bob Flaws writes about: Yin fire occurs in long-standing

" difficult to treat " patients with complex patterns:

1. SP qi def. 2. LV qi stagnant depressive heat 3. Blood vacuity

leading to Yin vacuity 4. Damp-heat sinking to lower jiao

5. Ministerial fire pushed away from Dan-tian/ Ming-men area and rising to

harass the Imperial Fire

 

There seems to be a " mutual engenderment " of a few evils. If you attack

one, then the other is fed. Go to the root ?

Ideas?

 

Thanks, K.

 

 

 

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:39 PM, <

attiliodalberto wrote:

 

> Hi,

>

> Firstly, excess and deficiency at the same time is often seen in a

> clinic and isn't unusual. What makes it complicated is a long history

> and a problematic constitution.

>

> After reading your case, I'm still not sure what your main problem

> (complaint) is. Everything is listed in WM which makes no sense or

> help to a TCM practitioner. Back to basics, what's your problem?

>

> Generally, steroids are very warm in nature and will increase the heat

> that you have inside you creating an empty heat pattern.

>

> There are many formulas that drain excessive patterns whilst

> nourishing an underlying deficiency. For example, empty heat: Zhi Bai

> Di Huang Wan.

>

> I'm not suggesting taking this formula, as i don't know what your main

> problem is or have a list of symptoms.

>

> Attilio

> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

>

> --- In

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> " Brian J.

> Harasha, D.C. " <bharasha wrote:

> >

> > This is actually for me. As I know my limits as a chiro-puncturist

> I find working with my own health problems to be confusing. I have

> worked with some very knowledgable TCM practitioners for many years

> and they all same the same thing: " your case is complicated, mostly

> by the obvious fact of there being deficiency and excess at the same

> time. " Which do you treat first and which is primary and which is a

> medication side effect.

> > Very brief history: lifelong struggle with an autoimmune like

> disease. massive inflammation destroys blood vessels and fat under

> the skin leading to deep non healing ulcers. 25 years of allopathic

> medicine leads to much immunosuppression with Prednisone being the

> only substance that stops these lesions. 10 years of TCM, chiro.,

> diets, nutrition, energy medicine with no help.

> > Currently: the many cycles of inflammation and damage and the years

> of steroid use have left my body very degenerated and 'wasting'. I

> clearly have signs of excess heat, deficiency heat, damp/heat,

> deficiency/stagnation/heat in the blood, jinye deficiency, yin

> deficiency, Lung qi def., Spleen Qi def., and all with a Jing

> deficiency underlying it.

> > Question: Where do I start? If I do any draining of excess I feel

> worse. If I do any tonifying I feel worse. I try both at the same

> time and nothing seems to happen. I am thinking I need to gently

> tonify and gentle drain for a long time but before starting a 6-12

> month program I want to be more sure of getting it right. Do I do

> much with the excess heat, blood heat, damp/heat? Should I

> concentrate on the more yin aspects and their deficiencies? Should I

> get that Spleen going first (since it will help transformation and

> gaining qi from food)? Do I do any Jing enhancing things or maybe

> just having a daily qigong/taiji practice and watch overwork and

> oversex? Do it all at once? I've got Dr. Guo's (Life Rising)

> formulas at my fingertips and know how to use them well - and they

> each have a clear function.

> >

> >