herb names

[Guest guest]

Call me Gan Cao.

 

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

 

 

>acugrpaz

>

>

> Herb Names

>Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:07:53 EDT

>

>All,

>I think we can understand herbs better by understanding ourselves better.

>Please pardon my whimsy. Bob Flaws, for example, is, by his own

>admission/celebration, like Huang Lian. Todd is like Bai Zhu. Z'ev is like

>osha. Dan Bensky is

>Gou Qi Zi. Alon is celandine. Phil is oat straw. Emmanuel is bai he. Will

>is

>mulberry. Steve Clavey is Hong Hua. Jim is korean ginseng. Me, I'm He Huan

>Pi.

>I know I'm skipping everybody else but I can't go on forever. What herb are

>you? What herb knows you?

>Joseph

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>Call me Gan Cao.

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

chusauli<<<

 

Gan Cao,

I shall remember you the next time I need to soothe and harmonize a situation

and clear some heat. We could use you in Arizona right now. The long hot

summer continues.

Joseph G. (Heart of Oak, Brain of Mush)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Gan Cao,

I forgot to sign off as my real name. Shows you how alert I am this lazy

Saturday afternoon. Gotta watch that happiness. Too much of anything is too much

by definition.

He Huan Pi

 

>>>Call me Gan Cao.

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

chusauli<<<

 

Gan Cao,

I shall remember you the next time I need to soothe and harmonize a situation

and clear some heat. We could use you in Arizona right now. The long hot

summer continues.

Joseph G. (Heart of Oak, Brain of Mush)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Al/Shi,

The herbs are all devas, and so are we. At the beginning of " Plant Spirit

Medicine, " the author, Eliot Cowan (pronounced Cohen), who is a Five Element

acupuncturist who's made a mystical connection with plants, is following an

Amazonian medicine man along jungle paths, scribbling furiously in his notebook

as

the shaman tosses off remarks about various plants. When they return to the

village, the author asks the medicine man to elaborate, to tell him what each of

the plants is for. The medicine man needs a moment to understand the question,

then begins laughing, soon uncontrollably. Before long the whole village is

rolling on the ground laughing. After they collect themselves, the author

politely asks what they were laughing about. The medicine man tells him that

even

the smallest child in the village knows that's not how it works. He says you

find a plant and you make true friends with it, and it will help you with

anything.

He Huan Pi/Read the Script, Throw It Away, Make the Movie/Joseph

 

>>>You know, this is kind of funny.

 

I went the opposite direction with all of this at one point in my herb

education. I started to give herbs human personalities such as Bai Shao

which seems to me to be sort of a venus archtype. Venus as in the

goddess of love. Chai Hu is kind of a Ganghis Kahn, wild and free, dry

and mobile.

 

-shi chang pu.[Al Stone]

 

 

On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 01:38 PM, acugrpaz wrote:

 

> Gan Cao,

> I forgot to sign off as my real name. Shows you how alert I am this

> lazy

> Saturday afternoon. Gotta watch that happiness. Too much of anything

> is too much

> by definition.

> He Huan Pi

>

>>>> Call me Gan Cao.

>

>

>

> Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

> chusauli<<<

>

> Gan Cao,

> I shall remember you the next time I need to soothe and harmonize a

> situation

> and clear some heat. We could use you in Arizona right now. The long

> hot

> summer continues.

> Joseph G. (Heart of Oak, Brain of Mush)<<<

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>>> , acugrpaz@a... wrote: is like Bai Zhu.

 

I consider that a compliment....

<<<

 

Sir Bai Zhu, anchor of the Four Gentlemen,

I meant it as a compliment. I was thinking that , Bob Flaws,

Jim Ramholz and you would make a great Four Gentlemen, but in that situation, in

deference, you'd probably have to be Zhi Gan Cao temporarily. You might have

also been complimented to be Gan Cao, if Robert Chu hadn't grabbed it first,

in your role as guide and harmonizer, but overall I think you are strong and

noble of heart, upright in character, and dry enough in wit and sense to

dissolve the stuffing out of anything that dampens our spirits, like the elegant

and

friendly Bai Zhu. As Miyamoto Musashi would say, you are the thing itself.

Yours,

Dances with Herbs/He Huan Pi/Hey, Sometimes I'm Flying Squirrel Feces

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You know, this is kind of funny.

 

I went the opposite direction with all of this at one point in my herb

education. I started to give herbs human personalities such as Bai Shao

which seems to me to be sort of a venus archtype. Venus as in the

goddess of love. Chai Hu is kind of a Ganghis Kahn, wild and free, dry

and mobile.

 

-shi chang pu.

 

 

On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 01:38 PM, acugrpaz wrote:

 

> Gan Cao,

> I forgot to sign off as my real name. Shows you how alert I am this

> lazy

> Saturday afternoon. Gotta watch that happiness. Too much of anything

> is too much

> by definition.

> He Huan Pi

>

>>>> Call me Gan Cao.

>

>

>

> Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

> chusauli<<<

>

> Gan Cao,

> I shall remember you the next time I need to soothe and harmonize a

> situation

> and clear some heat. We could use you in Arizona right now. The long

> hot

> summer continues.

> Joseph G. (Heart of Oak, Brain of Mush)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, acugrpaz@a... wrote: is like Bai Zhu.

 

I consider that a compliment....

 

[Guest guest]

>>>I would also like to hear about the sucess with treatment for RSD.

Thanks,

Jill

I mean Gui Zhi<<<

 

Gui Zhi,

Remember. The brain rules the nervous system, and the Heart rules the qi. If

the nervous system is shot, go to the Heart and ask for directions. Life is

simple: Engage heart, insert mind, and let body go. Most of us lead with the

mind, and this is our mistake. Remember also: Gui Zhi stops palpitations, if

used

judiciously. Settle this person's HEART, and their brain will follow, or at

least you will know what to do next. There is no such thing as RSD, my lady.

Joseph

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, al stone <alstone@b...>

wrote:

> You know, this is kind of funny.

>

> I went the opposite direction with all of this at one point in my

herb

> education. I started to give herbs human personalities such as Bai

Shao

> which seems to me to be sort of a venus archtype. Venus as in the

> goddess of love. Chai Hu is kind of a Ganghis Kahn, wild and free,

dry

> and mobile.

>

> -shi chang pu.

>

 

Now I want to be bai shao but I really think I am gui zhi.

 

I did read Plant Spirit Medicine. I thought it very fun in a kind of

Carlos Castaneda way.

 

I would also like to hear about the sucess with treatment for RSD.

Thanks,

Jill

I mean Gui Zhi

[Guest guest]

>>> like this image a lot. It really fits chai hu.

 

 

On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 05:35 PM, al stone wrote:

 

> Chai Hu is kind of a Ganghis Kahn, wild and free, dry

> and mobile.<<<

 

Z'ev,

Yes, like the Utah grandiosity, wild horses are the mind of Chai Hu.

Everything has its manifest place. Al Stone has a beautiful mind.

would

like to run wild and free, like a deer in the woods. Consult with Chai Hu.

Watch out for excess sweat at night, so I suggest you not take it too late in

the day/evening. Chai Hu is the ultimate herb for ultimate alternating yin/yang

symptoms. And of course Z'ev is also leading the way in the deer who are

already running in the woods. Blessings be. Please excuse me, I come from a long

line of Crazed Taoist Pagan Sadhus, like you.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>>>I would also like to hear about the sucess with treatment for RSD.

Thanks,

Jill

I mean Gui Zhi<<<

 

Gui Zhi,

Remember. The brain rules the nervous system, and the Heart rules the qi. If

the nervous system is shot, go to the Heart and ask for directions. Life is

simple: Engage heart, insert mind, and let body go. Most of us lead with the

mind, and this is our mistake. Remember also: Gui Zhi stops palpitations, if

used

judiciously. Settle this person's HEART, and their brain will follow, or at

least you will know what to do next. There is no such thing as RSD, my lady.

Joseph

 

Dear Joseph,

 

Brilliant! Absolutely.

 

Meditations always remind one to view thoughts as swords. Do not draw the

blade unless you intend to carry out a specific function. Otherwise keep it

sheathed. The mind is a tool ... actually of the heart. Reconsider the Chinese

character for " busy " . Heart particle with death particle. One of the most

ancient teachings indicates that the mind is a covering of the heart. What

seems like a broken heart is not. It's merely thoughts too small to fit a

larger

reality ... so the thoughts break ... and expose the heart. It's really the

thoughts that break ... not the heart. In this situation merely hold the heart

high so that it can behold the world with clear vision. And just as you have

said, Joseph, when the heart is clear and in balance with the world around

it, the pain gradually recedes. Mindfullness returns. Suchness is observed in

the clarity of one's vision. Your words, Joseph, are truly inspired!

 

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

Emmanuel Bai He,

Thanks for your insight. I think I will send this email of yours to my

brother. I think it will help heal his perfect soul.

 

And Jill/Gui Zhi,

Please take this seriously. Plant Spirit Medicine is one of the most serious

books ever written. Play is for kids, fun is for adults. Moving mountains is

nothing next to controlling adult emotions. There, I made myself start crying.

Are you happy now, you woman's heart you?

He Huan Pi/Yosef.luv

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hmm. . . I'm trying to figure out the osha connection. Is this

supposed to be my spirit herb? I used to love foraging for it in the

Rockies, used to chew it like candy sometimes back in the 70's. I love

osha's smell, taste, and wildness.

 

 

On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 09:07 PM, acugrpaz wrote:

 

> All,

> I think we can understand herbs better by understanding ourselves

> better.

> Please pardon my whimsy. Bob Flaws, for example, is, by his own

> admission/celebration, like Huang Lian. Todd is like Bai Zhu. Z'ev is

> like osha. Dan Bensky is

> Gou Qi Zi. Alon is celandine. Phil is oat straw. Emmanuel is bai he.

> Will is

> mulberry. Steve Clavey is Hong Hua. Jim is korean ginseng. Me, I'm He

> Huan Pi.

> I know I'm skipping everybody else but I can't go on forever. What

> herb are

> you? What herb knows you?

> Joseph

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I like this image a lot. It really fits chai hu.

 

 

On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 05:35 PM, al stone wrote:

 

> Chai Hu is kind of a Ganghis Kahn, wild and free, dry

> and mobile.

[Guest guest]

>>>I would also like to hear about the sucess with treatment for RSD.

Thanks,

Jill

I mean Gui Zhi<<<

 

Gui Zhi,

Remember. The brain rules the nervous system, and the Heart rules the qi. If the

nervous system is shot, go to the Heart and ask for directions. Life is simple:

Engage heart, insert mind, and let body go. Most of us lead with the mind, and

this is our mistake. Remember also: Gui Zhi stops palpitations, if used

judiciously. Settle this person's HEART, and their brain will follow, or at

least you will know what to do next. There is no such thing as RSD, my lady.

Joseph

 

Dear Joseph,

 

Brilliant! Absolutely.

 

Meditations always remind one to view thoughts as swords. Do not draw the blade

unless you intend to carry out a specific function. Otherwise keep it sheathed.

The mind is a tool ... actually of the heart. Reconsider the Chinese character

for " busy " . Heart particle with death particle. One of the most ancient

teachings indicates that the mind is a covering of the heart. What seems like a

broken heart is not. It's merely thoughts too small to fit a larger reality ...

so the thoughts break ... and expose the heart. It's really the thoughts that

break ... not the heart. In this situation merely hold the heart high so that

it can behold the world with clear vision. And just as you have said, Joseph,

when the heart is clear and in balance with the world around it, the pain

gradually recedes. Mindfullness returns. Suchness is observed in the clarity

of one's vision. Your words, Joseph, are truly inspired!

 

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

interesting discussion about the brain.

 

The old Chinese did not consider the brain as a separate organ but rather as an

extension of (or substance secreted from) the kidney. The brain is not even

considered as the main area of the thinking, but only as an instrument to make

this thinking conscious; to make the whole body conscious of the processes at

work. The act of thinking is done within the processes, and the existence of the

brain is only to make the thoughts and decisions conscious. In a way, we observe

our own thinking with the brain. The brain thus functions as a mirror, the

mirror of consciousness; the body itself thinks, and just experiences its

thoughts in this mirror. This is what we mean when we say that some people

" think " with their testicles, or " speak " from their liver etc. It is very

interesting that, just before this book went into printing (2. March 2001), a

most astonishing report was known by the scientific world. German and American

scientists have now discovered that there are more brain-cells in the intestinal

area than there is in the spinal cord. It seems that thoughts and decisions are

made here before they are made conscious in the central nervous system. This

observation is just in line with the old knowledge cited above.

 

 

 

The brain is often linked to the moon, and is compared with this in mythology.

The moon reflects or mirrors the light of the sun in the same way as the brain

reflects the feelings and the consciousness of the heart and other organs.

 

 

Are Simeon Thoresen

arethore

http://home.online.no/~arethore/

-

acugrpaz

Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:52 AM

Re: Herb Names

 

 

>>>I would also like to hear about the sucess with treatment for RSD.

Thanks,

Jill

I mean Gui Zhi<<<

 

Gui Zhi,

Remember. The brain rules the nervous system, and the Heart rules the qi. If

the nervous system is shot, go to the Heart and ask for directions. Life is

simple: Engage heart, insert mind, and let body go. Most of us lead with the

mind, and this is our mistake. Remember also: Gui Zhi stops palpitations, if

used

judiciously. Settle this person's HEART, and their brain will follow, or at

least you will know what to do next. There is no such thing as RSD, my lady.

Joseph

 

Dear Joseph,

 

Brilliant! Absolutely.

 

Meditations always remind one to view thoughts as swords. Do not draw the

blade unless you intend to carry out a specific function. Otherwise keep it

sheathed. The mind is a tool ... actually of the heart. Reconsider the

Chinese

character for " busy " . Heart particle with death particle. One of the most

ancient teachings indicates that the mind is a covering of the heart. What

seems like a broken heart is not. It's merely thoughts too small to fit a

larger

reality ... so the thoughts break ... and expose the heart. It's really the

thoughts that break ... not the heart. In this situation merely hold the

heart

high so that it can behold the world with clear vision. And just as you have

said, Joseph, when the heart is clear and in balance with the world around

it, the pain gradually recedes. Mindfullness returns. Suchness is observed

in

the clarity of one's vision. Your words, Joseph, are truly inspired!

 

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

Emmanuel Bai He,

Thanks for your insight. I think I will send this email of yours to my

brother. I think it will help heal his perfect soul.

 

And Jill/Gui Zhi,

Please take this seriously. Plant Spirit Medicine is one of the most serious

books ever written. Play is for kids, fun is for adults. Moving mountains is

nothing next to controlling adult emotions. There, I made myself start crying.

Are you happy now, you woman's heart you?

He Huan Pi/Yosef.luv

 

 

[Guest guest]

>>>Hmm. . . I'm trying to figure out the osha connection. Is this

supposed to be my spirit herb? I used to love foraging for it in the

Rockies, used to chew it like candy sometimes back in the 70's. I love

osha's smell, taste, and wildness.

 

<<<

 

Z'ev,

There's no supposed to about it. We all make the rules as we go along. You

just strike me as osha--austere, earthy, magical, powerful, Gandalf wishes he

were as cool as you. I love osha's smell, taste and wildness, too, in much the

same way I adore you, oh teacher of teachers. My favorite Jewish story, which I

may have already related, is of two rabbis talking. One tells the other he's

going to go hear so-and-so speak. The second rabbi says, but you've heard him

speak so many times. What could he possibly say you haven't already heard? The

first one says, I'm not going to hear him speak. I'm going to watch him tie

his shoes.

 

Also, I'd like to mention that the Chinese understandably have a thing about

emperors. No use for them anymore, and I don't blame them. I think we should

all bear in mind that when a formula is perfect, each herb is fulfilling a

vital role, and there is no hierarchy. If the herbs were getting paid to be in

the

formula, they would all demand equal pay. Union scale, at least. This whole

thing we call life is just the family business, and we are all essentially

equal partners. Relax relax relax relax relax relax relax. Then really relax.

You'll see. I realize the greatest service I can reasonably provide to people is

to relax their gut, really relax their gut. Then they'll understand. Master

Kozume from Reflections on the Sea had it together. Combine that with herbs and

you've got it all. We keep knocking at the door, and eventually the floor falls

out from under us, and we fall, and keep falling forever.

 

To Jill, about the RSD, I want to explain. When I say there is no such thing

as RSD, I simply mean all there is is people, with a problem, in your hands.

What's really bothering this person? Give them what they really need, and

they're then part of the team. They get it. Then you'll both know what to do.

Love

always knows what to do. The nice thing about the CHA is that if you get

enough people together, somebody always knows what to do next.

Jyosephehuanpi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>>>Hi Joe

 

> ...we can understand herbs better by understanding ourselves

> better. Please pardon my whimsy. Bob Flaws ... is like Huanglian.

is like Baizhu. Z'ev is like Osha. Dan Bensky is Gouqizi.

> Alon is celandine. Phil is oat straw. Emmanuel is Baihe. Will is

> mulberry. Steve Clavey is Honghua. Jim is korean Renshen. Me, I'm

> Hehuanpi. ... What herb are you? What herb knows you? Joseph

 

I have profiles on most of those herbs except oat straw! Have you a

handy profile on it? If it is " my herb " it must suit Fire Patterns!

 

Is celandine = Baiqucai?

 

Is mulberry Sangbaipi, Sangshen, Sangye or Sangzhi?

 

Best regards,

<<<

 

Phil,

People people people. The windmills keep tilting back at me. Oat Straw is

just the part left over after people remove the edible oats. Latin enough for

you? It's a great nervine, good for settling horses down, and humans and such.

Good applied internally or topically. Wear some oat straw and join the human

race: sanity is a great place to visit. I don't know or care about the Chinese

for Celandine right now. Mulberry is mulberry. All of it, any of it, with or

without silkworms, one lump or two?

 

OK, I looked up Celandine in Holmes, Energetics of Western Herbs, Vol. 1, pp.

192-194. Interesting quote: " It is really difficult, if not impossible, to

find an equivalent to this plant in the Chinese pharmacopeia [much like

Alon]--proof being that Chinese researchers and hospitals have been successfully

using

this remedy for decades. Celandine's action on the liver and gallbladder,

however, corresponds to an acupuncture point selection like Li 3 and 13, St 40,

Sp 5 and 9, Gb 24 and 25. " To me it's kind of a cross between milk thistle and

chai hu and yu jin, with a little da huang thrown in. Sort of. Great herb.

Keeps people alive {like Alon}. Love it.

 

Jyosephepi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Are Thoresen " wrote:

> interesting discussion about the brain. >>>

 

 

Are:

 

There's a book called " The Second Brain: The Scientific Basis of Gut

Instinct and a Groundbreaking New Understanding of Nervous Disorders

of the Stomach and Intestines " by Michael Gershon (HarperCollins,

1998). It discusses the enteric nervous system and digestion,

emotion, and disease. He contends that 98% of the seratonin is

actually made in the gut, and has done scientific research.

 

Interestingly, there's no single site in the pulses for the brain.

But we can examine it through the sensory range in the Dong Han

development of the Nan Jing 3-depth model, and through the meridians

that innervate it---most specifically, gall bladder and TW.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

interesting discussion about the brain.

 

The old Chinese did not consider the brain as a separate organ but rather as an

extension of (or substance secreted from) the kidney.

>>>>>>

At the same time ling shu for example discuses the brain in relation to great

delusions. It also says the original spirit-qi is housed in the brain. In yuan

and ming cognitive functions were associated with the brain by some authors as

well

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

The new book by Elizabeth Rochat de la Valle and Claude, Larre, " The

Extraordinary Fu " , has the most extensive discussion on the brain from

a Chinese perspective available in English.

 

 

On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 05:23 AM, Are Thoresen wrote:

 

> The old Chinese did not consider the brain as a separate organ but

> rather as an extension of (or substance secreted from) the kidney. The

> brain is not even considered as the main area of the thinking, but

> only as an instrument to make this thinking conscious; to make the

> whole body conscious of the processes at work. The act of thinking is

> done within the processes, and the existence of the brain is only to

> make the thoughts and decisions conscious.

[Guest guest]

The new book by Elizabeth Rochat de la Valle and Claude, Larre, " The

Extraordinary Fu " ,

>>What do you think of the book

alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon is celandine

>>>What are the properties of celandine.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is taken from lectures, so it really is a collection of lectures on

the subject, so they tend to ramble. I still enjoy the information and

their perspective, and it provides another door into the classics.

 

 

On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 03:30 PM, Alon Marcus wrote:

 

> The new book by Elizabeth Rochat de la Valle and Claude, Larre, " The

> Extraordinary Fu " ,

>>> What do you think of the book

> alon

>

>

[Guest guest]

, acugrpaz@a... wrote:

..

>

> And Jill/Gui Zhi,

> Please take this seriously. Plant Spirit Medicine is one of the

most serious

> books ever written. Play is for kids, fun is for adults. Moving

mountains is

> nothing next to controlling adult emotions. There, I made myself

start crying.

> Are you happy now, you woman's heart you?

> He Huan Pi/Yosef.luv

>

Dear He Huan Pi,

Thank you for your this and your previous post. So poetic yet so

evocative of the spirit of the Heart.

Yes, I am happy! Crying is good and we all know where controlling

emotions(at least over controlling)emotions gets us. Thank you for

crying.

I'm not sure if I can be serious though. I've just spent most of the

day in my garden where I dig for a while, daydream for awhile and

graze on the plants that I have helped find a place to grow.

I did enjoy Plant Spirit Medicine. I think that in what ever way you

communicate with plants as food, medicine or companions as long as

they are treated with respect then what does it matter if you

actually say hi to the deva directly. Although that would be fun if

one did grace me with an appearance.

 

Today I also made a scar paste because I have two patients with

keloids. Since this is the herb academy I am going to share the

formula (thank you Cindy Micleu and anonymous).

Wu Bei Zi 45g

Wu Mei 45g

Wu Gong 6g

Quan Xie 6g

Ji Nei Jin 15g

Grind the above and cook in a non-metal container with 500 ml of

black vinegar until it gets thicker (I cooked it on low all day).

Strain through a cheesecloth. Add 4 ounces give or take a few of

honey (I bet it would be even better with Manuka), beeswax and sesame

oil(some use castor oil). This should emulsify the liquid add more

honey if it won't spread or more beeswax if too runny. Apply the

paste thickly and daily, cover with gauze and keep it on overnight.

Apply every day until the scar softens. Discontinue use if any

irritation results.

 

I am grateful to the plants and insects and animals that made this

possible. Thank you He Huan Pi/Yosef and Emmanuel (and everyone)for

making the Herb Academy such a great place to hang out.

Gui Zhi

[Guest guest]

, acugrpaz@a... wrote:

 

>

> To Jill, about the RSD, I want to explain. When I say there is no

such thing

> as RSD, I simply mean all there is is people, with a problem, in

your hands.

> What's really bothering this person? Give them what they really

need, and

> they're then part of the team. They get it. Then you'll both know

what to do. Love

> always knows what to do. The nice thing about the CHA is that if

you get

> enough people together, somebody always knows what to do next.

> Jyosephehuanpi

>

>

>JYHHP,

Yes, I agree. What was really bothering my patient was a loose

screw. No kidding. No RSD. I was just curious about the other case

that I believe Robert had worked on how it presented etc and what he

found that worked for that patient.

gui zhi