herb names

September 2, 2003

Are Simeon Thoresen: The brain is often linked to the moon, and is compared

with this in mythology. The moon reflects or mirrors the light of the sun in

the same way as the brain reflects the feelings and the consciousness of the

heart and other organs.

Lynn: Are, this is a very neat metaphor. from what tradition or traditions

did this come?

Jim Ramholz: There's a book called " The Second Brain: The Scientific Basis

of Gut Instinct and a Groundbreaking New Understanding of Nervous Disorders

of the Stomach and Intestines " by Michael Gershon (HarperCollins, 1998). It

discusses the enteric nervous system and digestion, emotion, and disease. He

contends that 98% of the seratonin is actually made in the gut, and has done

scientific research.

Lynn: Jim, this book sounds fascinating, another addition to my shopping

list.

September 2, 2003

From many traditions, mainly European.

Are

Are Simeon Thoresen

arethore

http://home.online.no/~arethore/

-

Lynn Detamore

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:12 AM

Re: Herb Names

Are Simeon Thoresen: The brain is often linked to the moon, and is compared

with this in mythology. The moon reflects or mirrors the light of the sun in

the same way as the brain reflects the feelings and the consciousness of the

heart and other organs.

Lynn: Are, this is a very neat metaphor. from what tradition or traditions

did this come?

Jim Ramholz: There's a book called " The Second Brain: The Scientific Basis

of Gut Instinct and a Groundbreaking New Understanding of Nervous Disorders

of the Stomach and Intestines " by Michael Gershon (HarperCollins, 1998). It

discusses the enteric nervous system and digestion, emotion, and disease. He

contends that 98% of the seratonin is actually made in the gut, and has done

scientific research.

Lynn: Jim, this book sounds fascinating, another addition to my shopping

list.

September 2, 2003

He

contends that 98% of the seratonin is actually made in the gut

>>>>Which subset of seratonin?

Alon

September 2, 2003

>>>This is nice poetry, but, yes, we do need a reference of some sort to

be able to discuss it. Also, since we are discussing Chinese medicine,

it would be interesting to compare with Chinese sources on links of

viscera with natural phenomena. Chapter 71 of the Ling Shu compares

parts of the human organism to nature: " heaven has sun and moon, man

has a pair of eyes. Heaven has wind and rain, man has joy and anger "

(Unschuld translation).

<<<

Z'ev Z'ev Z'ev,

You and I need to meet, in person, for some small but luscious time. You have

a date with destiny, and I think I'm just the man for the job. After all

you've done for others, it's time somebody did something for you. Please write

to,

or just show up at:

Haku-Un-Ji Zen Center

1448 Cedar Street

Tempe, AZ 85281

I will be glad to introduce you personally to nature. You can ask her

yourself. Come now, I can't stay on this computer much longer.

Joseph

September 2, 2003

, " Alon Marcus " wrote:

> He contends that 98% of the seratonin is actually made in the gut

> >>>>Which subset of seratonin?

Alon:

I read the book years ago, and don't remember if he was talking that

specifically. I'll have to check.

Jim Ramholz

September 2, 2003

This is nice poetry, but, yes, we do need a reference of some sort to

be able to discuss it. Also, since we are discussing Chinese medicine,

it would be interesting to compare with Chinese sources on links of

viscera with natural phenomena. Chapter 71 of the Ling Shu compares

parts of the human organism to nature: " heaven has sun and moon, man

has a pair of eyes. Heaven has wind and rain, man has joy and anger "

(Unschuld translation).

On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 03:04 AM, Are Thoresen wrote:

>

> Are Simeon Thoresen: The brain is often linked to the moon, and is

> compared

> with this in mythology. The moon reflects or mirrors the light of

> the sun in

> the same way as the brain reflects the feelings and the

> consciousness of the

> heart and other organs.

September 9, 2003

Hi

I feel I am bo he, the cooling breeze after a long,

hot summer.

Andrea Beth

--- acugrpaz wrote:

> >>>Hi Joe

>

> > ...we can understand herbs better by understanding

> ourselves

> > better. Please pardon my whimsy. Bob Flaws ... is

> like Huanglian.

> is like Baizhu. Z'ev is like Osha. Dan Bensky

> is Gouqizi.

> > Alon is celandine. Phil is oat straw. Emmanuel is

> Baihe. Will is

> > mulberry. Steve Clavey is Honghua. Jim is korean

> Renshen. Me, I'm

> > Hehuanpi. ... What herb are you? What herb knows

> you? Joseph

>

> I have profiles on most of those herbs except oat

> straw! Have you a

> handy profile on it? If it is " my herb " it must suit

> Fire Patterns!

>

> Is celandine = Baiqucai?

>

> Is mulberry Sangbaipi, Sangshen, Sangye or Sangzhi?

>

> Best regards,

> <<<

>

> Phil,

> People people people. The windmills keep tilting

> back at me. Oat Straw is

> just the part left over after people remove the

> edible oats. Latin enough for

> you? It's a great nervine, good for settling horses

> down, and humans and such.

> Good applied internally or topically. Wear some oat

> straw and join the human

> race: sanity is a great place to visit. I don't know

> or care about the Chinese

> for Celandine right now. Mulberry is mulberry. All

> of it, any of it, with or

> without silkworms, one lump or two?

>

> OK, I looked up Celandine in Holmes, Energetics of

> Western Herbs, Vol. 1, pp.

> 192-194. Interesting quote: " It is really difficult,

> if not impossible, to

> find an equivalent to this plant in the Chinese

> pharmacopeia [much like

> Alon]--proof being that Chinese researchers and

> hospitals have been successfully using

> this remedy for decades. Celandine's action on the

> liver and gallbladder,

> however, corresponds to an acupuncture point

> selection like Li 3 and 13, St 40,

> Sp 5 and 9, Gb 24 and 25. " To me it's kind of a

> cross between milk thistle and

> chai hu and yu jin, with a little da huang thrown

> in. Sort of. Great herb.

> Keeps people alive {like Alon}. Love it.

>

> Jyosephepi

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

June 18, 2008

I am just beginning to use some patents in my practice and am having a difficult

time because it seems like each company calls the same (or almost the same)

formula something different.? For example,? Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is " Temper

Fire " from KPC and others call it various versions of 6 Flavor

Rumania/pills/teapills/etc.? Another example? " Prosperous Farmer " from Kan, is

called " 6 Gentleman " from Health Concerns " .? Is there a website or a resource

that lists herbal patent formulas and what they are also known as from suppliers

like Kan, KPC, Mayway, Crane, Giovanni M., etc.?? it woudl be most helpful when

I am looking up things to know what else they are called in different

references, and helpful to know if one supplier carries it for different prices

than another.? Thanks.

Beth

?Beth Grubb

Licensed Acupuncturist

www.bethgrubb.com

beth

410-591-2644

jon schell <jonk2012

Chinese Medicine

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 5:49 am

RE: using moxa for heat

Hey All,

& nbsp;

There is a new book on the market by Lorraine Willcox L.Ac.called " Moxibustion:

The Power of Mugwort Fire " . & nbsp; Pretty much everything you want to know about

Moxa. & nbsp; The best part of it is that Mrs. Willcox took all of the passages

from the classics. & nbsp; Her main sources are:

the Ben Cao Geng Mu

the Zhen Jiu Da Cheng

the Lei Jing Tu Yi

and the Jing Yue Quan Shu

& nbsp;

This text by Mrs. Willcox, justifies why we as a field need to invest in the

translation of the Classics -- & nbsp; they just contain too much information to

be left out of our knowledge base.

& nbsp;

Of course, Mrs. Willcox, could not use all of these texts in her book, and she

has selected relevant phrases to elucidate her comments, but I dream of a world

where we all had access to these texts in English, and could each do our own

research. (That would be great!)

& nbsp;

I believe that Times has this book for sale on its website,

and/ or Blue Poppy is the publisher so you could find it on their website. & nbsp;

I can not say enough about this book, and it makes me want to use more moxa in

my own practice. & nbsp; Especially since I will have some direct knowledge from

the Classics to go off of. & nbsp; It would be grand to translate some of the

other moxabustion texts that Mrs. Willcox mentions in her book. & nbsp; But I am

an idealist

& nbsp;

I hope that that helps you with your research project, it certainly is the most

authoratative book I have found yet in English.

& nbsp;

Sincerely,

& nbsp;

L.Ac.

The Database

Chinese Medicine

www.cm-dbcart.com

& nbsp;

Minor advertisement: & nbsp;

The Database is the only website on the internet that is

raising money to pay for the translation of Classical Chinese texts. & nbsp;

Currently we are using 100% of our subscriptions to fund new translations. & nbsp;

Anyone who is interested in the Classics would find subscription to & nbsp;the

Database, as a great resource to their study of the Classics.

& nbsp;

On July 1st, the Database is raising its prices. & nbsp; Anyone

that is d before July 1st will be " grandfathered in " for the current

price of subscription, as long as their billing is current. & nbsp; Billing is

recurring and done in Monthly, Quarterly, or Yearly installments.

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, Patricia Jordan & lt;coastalcatclinic & gt; wrote:

Patricia Jordan & lt;coastalcatclinic & gt;

RE: using moxa for heat

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, June 12, 2008, 6:28 PM

June 20, 2008

At our clinic, we buy and dispense " patents " using the names we

learned while studying herbs in school: the pin yin names. Most

herb suppliers' websites have the option of seeing their herbs listed

this way rather than by the supplier's english name.

Clients find this intriguing OR amusing, and often ask if they will

learn to speak Chinese. We assure them that TCM works exceedingly

well, even for those who can speak only english.

Mark Zaranski

East Wind Acupuncture, Inc.

Chesterton, Indiana

Chinese Medicine , sg1532 wrote:

>

> I am just beginning to use some patents in my practice and am

having a difficult time because it seems like each company calls the

same (or almost the same) formula something different.? For example,?

Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is " Temper Fire " from KPC and others call it

various versions of 6 Flavor Rumania/pills/teapills/etc.? Another

example? " Prosperous Farmer " from Kan, is called " 6 Gentleman " from

Health Concerns " .? Is there a website or a resource that lists herbal

patent formulas and what they are also known as from suppliers like

Kan, KPC, Mayway, Crane, Giovanni M., etc.?? it woudl be most helpful

when I am looking up things to know what else they are called in

different references, and helpful to know if one supplier carries it

for different prices than another.? Thanks.

> Beth

>

> ?Beth Grubb

> Licensed Acupuncturist

> www.bethgrubb.com

> beth

> 410-591-2644

>

> jon schell <jonk2012

> Chinese Medicine

> Fri, 13 Jun 2008 5:49 am

> RE: using moxa for heat

Hey All,

> & nbsp;

> There is a new book on the market by Lorraine Willcox

L.Ac.called " Moxibustion: The Power of Mugwort Fire " . & nbsp; Pretty

much everything you want to know about Moxa. & nbsp; The best part of

it is that Mrs. Willcox took all of the passages from the

classics. & nbsp; Her main sources are:

> the Ben Cao Geng Mu

> the Zhen Jiu Da Cheng

> the Lei Jing Tu Yi

> and the Jing Yue Quan Shu

> & nbsp;

> This text by Mrs. Willcox, justifies why we as a field need to

invest in the translation of the Classics -- & nbsp; they just contain

too much information to be left out of our knowledge base.

> & nbsp;

> Of course, Mrs. Willcox, could not use all of these texts in her

book, and she has selected relevant phrases to elucidate her

comments, but I dream of a world where we all had access to these

texts in English, and could each do our own research. (That would be

great!)

> & nbsp;

> I believe that Times has this book for sale on its

website, and/ or Blue Poppy is the publisher so you could find it on

their website. & nbsp; I can not say enough about this book, and it

makes me want to use more moxa in my own practice. & nbsp; Especially

since I will have some direct knowledge from the Classics to go off

of. & nbsp; It would be grand to translate some of the other

moxabustion texts that Mrs. Willcox mentions in her book. & nbsp; But I

am an idealist

> & nbsp;

> I hope that that helps you with your research project, it certainly

is the most authoratative book I have found yet in English.

> & nbsp;

> Sincerely,

> & nbsp;

> L.Ac.

> The Database

> Chinese Medicine

> www.cm-dbcart.com

> & nbsp;

> Minor advertisement: & nbsp;

> The Database is the only website on the internet

that is raising money to pay for the translation of Classical Chinese

texts. & nbsp; Currently we are using 100% of our subscriptions to fund

new translations. & nbsp; Anyone who is interested in the Classics

would find subscription to & nbsp;the Database, as a great resource to

their study of the Classics.

> & nbsp;

> On July 1st, the Database is raising its

prices. & nbsp; Anyone that is d before July 1st will

be " grandfathered in " for the current price of subscription, as long

as their billing is current. & nbsp; Billing is recurring and done in

Monthly, Quarterly, or Yearly installments.

>

> --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Patricia Jordan coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

> Patricia Jordan coastalcatclinic

> RE: using moxa for heat

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Thursday, June 12, 2008, 6:28 PM

>

June 20, 2008

For me I now know the chinese, english, latin and for a few patients they tell

me the picture on the bottle and now know them by the picture.... " need a bottle

of the guy in the hot tub " is Tian Ma gou teng wan with may way.....

I think my brain is fulll

Be well,

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

--- On Thu, 6/19/08, zedbowls <zaranski wrote:

zedbowls <zaranski

Re: herb names

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, June 19, 2008, 11:28 PM

At our clinic, we buy and dispense " patents " using the names we

learned while studying herbs in school: the pin yin names. Most

herb suppliers' websites have the option of seeing their herbs listed

this way rather than by the supplier's english name.

Clients find this intriguing OR amusing, and often ask if they will

learn to speak Chinese. We assure them that TCM works exceedingly

well, even for those who can speak only english.

Mark Zaranski

East Wind Acupuncture, Inc.

Chesterton, Indiana

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , sg1532 wrote:

>

> I am just beginning to use some patents in my practice and am

having a difficult time because it seems like each company calls the

same (or almost the same) formula something different.? For example,?

Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is " Temper Fire " from KPC and others call it

various versions of 6 Flavor Rumania/pills/ teapills/ etc.? Another

example? " Prosperous Farmer " from Kan, is called " 6 Gentleman " from

Health Concerns " .? Is there a website or a resource that lists herbal

patent formulas and what they are also known as from suppliers like

Kan, KPC, Mayway, Crane, Giovanni M., etc.?? it woudl be most helpful

when I am looking up things to know what else they are called in

different references, and helpful to know if one supplier carries it

for different prices than another.? Thanks.

> Beth

>

> ?Beth Grubb

> Licensed Acupuncturist

> www.bethgrubb. com

> beth

> 410-591-2644

>

> jon schell <jonk2012@.. .>

>

> Fri, 13 Jun 2008 5:49 am

> RE: using moxa for heat

Hey All,

> & nbsp;

> There is a new book on the market by Lorraine Willcox

L.Ac.called " Moxibustion: The Power of Mugwort Fire " . & nbsp; Pretty

much everything you want to know about Moxa. & nbsp; The best part of

it is that Mrs. Willcox took all of the passages from the

classics. & nbsp; Her main sources are:

> the Ben Cao Geng Mu

> the Zhen Jiu Da Cheng

> the Lei Jing Tu Yi

> and the Jing Yue Quan Shu

> & nbsp;

> This text by Mrs. Willcox, justifies why we as a field need to

invest in the translation of the Classics -- & nbsp; they just contain

too much information to be left out of our knowledge base.

> & nbsp;

> Of course, Mrs. Willcox, could not use all of these texts in her

book, and she has selected relevant phrases to elucidate her

comments, but I dream of a world where we all had access to these

texts in English, and could each do our own research. (That would be

great!)

> & nbsp;

> I believe that Times has this book for sale on its

website, and/ or Blue Poppy is the publisher so you could find it on

their website. & nbsp; I can not say enough about this book, and it

makes me want to use more moxa in my own practice. & nbsp; Especially

since I will have some direct knowledge from the Classics to go off

of. & nbsp; It would be grand to translate some of the other

moxabustion texts that Mrs. Willcox mentions in her book. & nbsp; But I

am an idealist

> & nbsp;

> I hope that that helps you with your research project, it certainly

is the most authoratative book I have found yet in English.

> & nbsp;

> Sincerely,

> & nbsp;

> L.Ac.

> The Database

> Chinese Medicine

> www.cm-dbcart. com

> & nbsp;

> Minor advertisement: & nbsp;

> The Database is the only website on the internet

that is raising money to pay for the translation of Classical Chinese

texts. & nbsp; Currently we are using 100% of our subscriptions to fund

new translations. & nbsp; Anyone who is interested in the Classics

would find subscription to & nbsp;the Database, as a great resource to

their study of the Classics.

> & nbsp;

> On July 1st, the Database is raising its

prices. & nbsp; Anyone that is d before July 1st will

be " grandfathered in " for the current price of subscription, as long

as their billing is current. & nbsp; Billing is recurring and done in

Monthly, Quarterly, or Yearly installments.

>

> --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Patricia Jordan coastalcatclinic@ ... wrote:

>

> Patricia Jordan coastalcatclinic@ ...

> RE: using moxa for heat

> traditional_ chinese_medicine

> Thursday, June 12, 2008, 6:28 PM

>

June 21, 2008

I am just beginning to use some patents in my practice and am