Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Dear friends. In relationship to the discussion on moxa for heat, what you understand by disperse with moxa? What is the difference to tonify with moxa? Thanks in advance. Jean Joaquim Jean G. Fernandes Joaquim DMV, MS ABRAVET, IVAS and IVAPM Member Botucatu - SP - Brazil F: 014-97083176 www.bioethicus.com.br Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 To tonify with moxa in old times you let the cone burn down all the way then press the ash into skin to make it go out, to disperse with moxa blow on the cone so it blows rapidly then let it go out on its own, either way will cause a blister, in modern times you can tonify by making mild reddening of the skin at the point, and by slowly heating, to disperse heat point rapidly and make skin dark red from the intense heat Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Jean G. F. Joaquim " <jeanvet wrote: > > Dear friends. > In relationship to the discussion on moxa for heat, what you understand by disperse with moxa? What is the difference to tonify with moxa? > Thanks in advance. > Jean Joaquim > > > Jean G. Fernandes Joaquim > DMV, MS > ABRAVET, IVAS and IVAPM Member > Botucatu - SP - Brazil > F: 014-97083176 > www.bioethicus.com.br > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 " To use fire (moxa) to disperse is to obey the principle according to which one obtains Fire from Water to revive the Yin energy of the organ. " Lonny: I'll take a stab at it though I could be totally wrong. I was taught that moxa at LI-11 and Sp-10 can be used to draw heat out of the blood. Maybe the reference here is to attract (obtain: de?) heat out of the water so that yin can thrive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 One last question on this subject. My teacher often used the term 'Yin Clot' especially in cases of neck and shoulder pain and prescribed an herbal formal that is warm, expels external cold and wind, resolves blood stagnation and Yin Clots. Also warms up and opens through the Jin Luo. To relieve pain and stiffness. Does the warmness of the herb activate the yin thus dispelling 'yin clots' and resolving pain and stiffness just like the moxa described in the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 This manner of protocol is the hardest for western minds to get around and when we were students we had continual issues with such ideology. It is always difficult to ask questions such as being discussed here, as the Chinese, the ancient Chinese in particular (as the modern are modeling modern biomedicine more than their historical roots), is based primarily on inclusion, whereas our modern culture is based on exclusion. We want to know why specifically moxa induces yin, this makes no sense, it is one or the other, either it induces heat which burns yin (to a point) or it doesn't. That is not how the ancients thought, and we need to keep that in mind. I have always felt that to be a true classical practitioner is the most difficult path of all, one mind in the philosophy of yesterday (if that's possible) and one in today, they are simply not the same. Tymothy " jreidomd " <jreidomd wrote: > > >>>jasonwcom@> wrote: From the lingshu regarding the back shu > points: Lingshu, Van Nghi translation, Chpt. 51, Zhang Shi > commmentary: " To use fire (moxa) to disperse is to obey the principle > according to which one obtains Fire from Water to revive the Yin > energy of the organ. " > <<< > > Sharon W. clearly wrote (thanks!) in her article about using moxa with > the idea of _steaming_ jin-ye fluids out to the surface. > > The above Van Nghi passage, however, is totally incomprehensible to > me. (unless I chop the whole middle out of the sentence, leaving _To > use fire (moxa) revive(s) the Yin energy of the organ_) > > Please explain, if you feel you understand it. Kindly walk > through, starting with what you're dispersing from where. > > (else I'll likely be scared away from the classics for the umpteenth > time, and resort to explanations involving topical irritation, > substance P, synapses in the dorsal horn, and the psychological > comfort of warmth ! ) > > joe reid > www.jreidomd.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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