The Future of China?

[Guest guest]

My prediction is that as the Chinese develop a middle class and free

time and disposable income that they will start to have

psychotherapists. " how do you feel about what happened during the

cultural revolution? " This IS what is happening in INDIA.....a country

with one of the most ancient and developed traditions of spirituality

on the planet. But they've reached a new level of postmodern,

capitalistic, democratic, cultural development (China isn't there

quite yet but moving fast).

 

 

So for the Chinese, humanist, process oriented therapy would be big

leap, right?

 

But as for us in the West......we've had it for 100 years and it's

failed us......hasn't it?

 

What I've been pointing to is that we have outgrown it and that CM is

potentially a MUCH more powerful for resolving the existential knot at

the core of the postmodern human. Am I wrong?

[Guest guest]

---(Lonny)

What I've been pointing to is that we have outgrown it and that CM is

potentially a MUCH more powerful for resolving the existential knot at

the core of the postmodern human. Am I wrong?

---

 

Lonny, maybe the question to post is the reverse: Who here buys into process

oriented therapy, where the patient holds on to their trauma and beats

themselves over the head with it in order to gain a perverse pleasure?

And then: " Who here has facility in releasing people so that they they don't

have to re-invent the wheel when they come into your clinic? "

 

For me anyway, those questions work better. Your framing implies that YOU are

doing something new which is unknown. I still don't buy it, despite all your

posts. It still sounds like the da dao version of CM.

 

Hugo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

>

>Hugo: For me anyway, those questions work better. Your framing

implies that YOU are doing something new which is unknown. I still

don't buy it, despite all your posts. It still sounds like the da dao

version of CM.

>

Lonny: The equation here is simple. " Unconditional love " in the form

of " non-judgement " is a pervasive value among newage " healers " in TCM,

5E, and every other branch and style of " healing " . I'd consider this

to be a post-modern distortion of the virtue of compassion based on a

form of consciousness that can't perceive hierarchy. This value ran

through your entire post to me. This cultural value emerged in the

developed nations in the West enforce in the 1960's.

 

For example, yesterday you had written that your true litmus test for

enlightened consciousness depended on whether or not someone would

feel " love " for a person who was blowing his or her legs off with a

shotgun. Any practitioner practicing with this notion of

" unconditional love " as a consciously or unconsciously held position

will never, ever, be able to get near any form of treatment that

approaches helping a patient gain increased objectivity in the face of

his or her own conditioned physical/mental/emotional constructs. Why?

Because the refusal to judge (discern) behavior according to a

hierarchical value system can never lead to the rectification of qi in

a way that yields vertical development. " You have your truth, I have

my truth, all perspectives are relative and equal " .

 

This one distorted value compromises the entire potential of CM as a

holistic and integral medicine.

 

 

My observation is that, on a tree, some branches are higher and some

are lower. All parts of the tree are vitally important fr it's

function. But, from the perspective of growth and development, the

entire tree exists only for the elevation of the topmost branches and,

what I'm interested in, is getting my attention on the place that the

very highest leaf is about to move into. (it's a metaphor so please

don't lecture me about photosynthesis or how the roots stabilize the

soil etc.).

 

 

I think it might help further the discussion if you can avoid being

personal and just discuss ideas on their own merits. I wont be

responding to any more posts from you that don't meet this standard.

 

Thank you, Lonny