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Colleagues,

I have been in practiace for 1 year and a half, have

treated folks from 13 - 93.

 

I'm finding my way on how to handle the " social "

situations of those who call me, sometimes being

successful, sometimes making blunders, it all comes

with part of the learning on how to be a compassionate

practitioner.

 

I have been contacted by a mom of an 11 year old girl

for treatment of headaches.

 

I have not personally seen either of them, but here

is the information I've gleaned through 2 phone conversations.

 

The girl has had headached " severe enough to make her cry "

for 2 years. She has been treated with reiki and

Ayruvadic medicine. She was taking about $100/week in

herbal supplements which helped, but the problems returned

when the treatments stopped.

 

The parents are divorced.

Mom feeds the child a vegetarian diet, the father does not.

The child also has constipation (no surprise.....)

The child is home-schooled.

She has not yet started menses.

 

Mom has asked the child to keep a detailed log on

diet, emotions, etc to look for triggers.

Blames dad for letting her eat " junk " food.

 

(poor child caught in the middle....)

 

So when I asked what her pediatrician thinks,

she told me she has not taken her to a MD and

does not plan on doing so.

 

I told her that I highly suggest she see a physician

to rule out any medical condition. I told her that

the treatment plan either Western or Eastern can

then be decided.

 

The mother wants to make an appt with me.

 

My question is this; shouild I refuse to treat her

until she has been seen by a MD?

HOw do I gently suggest counseling?

 

Thank you for any words of wisdom.

Jean Dombroski, L.Ac.

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Hi Jean and All,

I would look at the case in the following way:

1. I have no problem seeing or treating the patient. They are seeking you out

for a reason. Go meet that reason.

2. Take a very careful and detailed examination (a lot of this will have to be

non-verbal). Because the mother is likely to be answering questions for her

child you will have to be careful to separate the two stories. Become aware of

which areas of the history are contentious and which have agreement from both

sides. It would probably be useful to be taking pulse for 10 to 15 minutes as

the conversation goes on in order to feel the changes in the child as she

interacts with her mother.

3. Be aware of red flags:

- daily headaches (i.e. her headaches are constant, whether or not there are

problems between her parents)

- headaches that are fixed in nature (do not change much, including in their

location), have very localised pains, and do not quickly respond to appropriate

massage.

- Are they getting worse as time goes on?

- Headaches that worsen with sneezing, coughing, or exercise

- " Worst headache ever "

- Nausea and vomiting with headaches

- Headaches associated with fevers, stiff necks or rashes

- Thunderclap headaches that come on suddenly and ferociously

- Headaches that are exclusively one-sided

- Headaches accompanied by obvious wind / neurological signs, irregular eye

movements, numbness, weakness (weakness does not mean fatigue here)

The presence of red flags indicates a need to see an md, and does not

necessarily mean that there is something seriously wrong. It just means get it

checked out.

5. Don't be afraid to make a CM diagnosis.

6. Keep in mind Joe's recommendations regarding leading questions.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

Jean <greypal

Chinese Medicine

Friday, 6 June, 2008 7:24:14 AM

Seeking Guidance on 11 year old

 

 

Colleagues,

I have been in practiace for 1 year and a half, have

treated folks from 13 - 93.

 

I'm finding my way on how to handle the " social "

situations of those who call me, sometimes being

successful, sometimes making blunders, it all comes

with part of the learning on how to be a compassionate

practitioner.

 

I have been contacted by a mom of an 11 year old girl

for treatment of headaches.

 

I have not personally seen either of them, but here

is the information I've gleaned through 2 phone conversations.

 

The girl has had headached " severe enough to make her cry "

for 2 years. She has been treated with reiki and

Ayruvadic medicine. She was taking about $100/week in

herbal supplements which helped, but the problems returned

when the treatments stopped.

 

The parents are divorced.

Mom feeds the child a vegetarian diet, the father does not.

The child also has constipation (no surprise.... .)

The child is home-schooled.

She has not yet started menses.

 

Mom has asked the child to keep a detailed log on

diet, emotions, etc to look for triggers.

Blames dad for letting her eat " junk " food.

 

(poor child caught in the middle....)

 

So when I asked what her pediatrician thinks,

she told me she has not taken her to a MD and

does not plan on doing so.

 

I told her that I highly suggest she see a physician

to rule out any medical condition. I told her that

the treatment plan either Western or Eastern can

then be decided.

 

The mother wants to make an appt with me.

 

My question is this; shouild I refuse to treat her

until she has been seen by a MD?

HOw do I gently suggest counseling?

 

Thank you for any words of wisdom.

Jean Dombroski, L.Ac.

 

 

 

 

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Sent from Mail.

A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

 

 

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Jean,

I would also recommend that you inform the father, at the very least make the

attempt, but realize that this may be a touchy situation. Cover all of your

bases, and get rid of the youngsters headaches. Good luck.

 

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Chinese Medicine

Friday, June 6, 2008 10:23:16 AM

Re: Seeking Guidance on 11 year old

 

 

Hi Jean and All,

I would look at the case in the following way:

1. I have no problem seeing or treating the patient. They are seeking you out

for a reason. Go meet that reason.

2. Take a very careful and detailed examination (a lot of this will have to be

non-verbal). Because the mother is likely to be answering questions for her

child you will have to be careful to separate the two stories. Become aware of

which areas of the history are contentious and which have agreement from both

sides. It would probably be useful to be taking pulse for 10 to 15 minutes as

the conversation goes on in order to feel the changes in the child as she

interacts with her mother.

3. Be aware of red flags:

- daily headaches (i.e. her headaches are constant, whether or not there are

problems between her parents)

- headaches that are fixed in nature (do not change much, including in their

location), have very localised pains, and do not quickly respond to appropriate

massage.

- Are they getting worse as time goes on?

- Headaches that worsen with sneezing, coughing, or exercise

- " Worst headache ever "

- Nausea and vomiting with headaches

- Headaches associated with fevers, stiff necks or rashes

- Thunderclap headaches that come on suddenly and ferociously

- Headaches that are exclusively one-sided

- Headaches accompanied by obvious wind / neurological signs, irregular eye

movements, numbness, weakness (weakness does not mean fatigue here)

The presence of red flags indicates a need to see an md, and does not

necessarily mean that there is something seriously wrong. It just means get it

checked out.

5. Don't be afraid to make a CM diagnosis.

6. Keep in mind Joe's recommendations regarding leading questions.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Hugo

 

 

Jean <greypal >

 

Friday, 6 June, 2008 7:24:14 AM

Seeking Guidance on 11 year old

 

Colleagues,

I have been in practiace for 1 year and a half, have

treated folks from 13 - 93.

 

I'm finding my way on how to handle the " social "

situations of those who call me, sometimes being

successful, sometimes making blunders, it all comes

with part of the learning on how to be a compassionate

practitioner.

 

I have been contacted by a mom of an 11 year old girl

for treatment of headaches.

 

I have not personally seen either of them, but here

is the information I've gleaned through 2 phone conversations.

 

The girl has had headached " severe enough to make her cry "

for 2 years. She has been treated with reiki and

Ayruvadic medicine. She was taking about $100/week in

herbal supplements which helped, but the problems returned

when the treatments stopped.

 

The parents are divorced.

Mom feeds the child a vegetarian diet, the father does not.

The child also has constipation (no surprise.... .)

The child is home-schooled.

She has not yet started menses.

 

Mom has asked the child to keep a detailed log on

diet, emotions, etc to look for triggers.

Blames dad for letting her eat " junk " food.

 

(poor child caught in the middle....)

 

So when I asked what her pediatrician thinks,

she told me she has not taken her to a MD and

does not plan on doing so.

 

I told her that I highly suggest she see a physician

to rule out any medical condition. I told her that

the treatment plan either Western or Eastern can

then be decided.

 

The mother wants to make an appt with me.

 

My question is this; shouild I refuse to treat her

until she has been seen by a MD?

HOw do I gently suggest counseling?

 

Thank you for any words of wisdom.

Jean Dombroski, L.Ac.

 

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thank you Hugo and Doug.

 

perhaps i will offer mom an auricular treatment in another room,

to treat her stress as well. then time alone with both.

 

thanks again,

be well.

jean

 

 

 

> The presence of red flags indicates a need to see an md, and does

not necessarily mean that there is something seriously wrong. It just

means get it checked out.

> 5. Don't be afraid to make a CM diagnosis.

> 6. Keep in mind Joe's recommendations regarding leading questions.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Hugo

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