Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Has anyone heard of this? I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha! _______________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 gua sha has become a popular item in many " spas " . It wouldn't surprise me if PTs also start to do it. Emily Konstan <emilylists wrote: Has anyone heard of this? I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha! _______________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 http://www.grastontechnique.com graston technique is a professional(coded) therapy used by PT, OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and picture of the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars. > Has anyone heard of this? > > I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 PTs have a whole system of gua sha with classes and certif 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Somebody on this list posted this up also, about a year ago. This guy/corporation is stealing traditional ideas (without giving credit to where the technique is derived) sounds like the school teacher who invented Yin qiao san and called it Airborne. and then they say that Chinese medicine doesn't work! ? They've been making tools like this in China for generations. A teacher of mine brought some bronze ones back from Chengdu. K. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:54 AM, yangchi125 <yintang121 wrote: > http://www.grastontechnique.com > > graston technique is a professional(coded) therapy used by PT, > OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and picture > of the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars. > > > Has anyone heard of this? > > > > I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in > two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a > hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. > Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds > a lot like gua sha! > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Hi all, Let's call it what it is: theft. " graston " technique is nothing more than guasha with hypothetical physiological justifications. The trouble we would have if we co-opted another profession's technique, changed its paintjob and promoted it as our discovery. This is not ethical. Hugo yangchi125 <yintang121 Chinese Medicine Thursday, 29 May, 2008 8:54:22 AM Re: PTs doing gua sha? http://www.grastont echnique. com graston technique is a professional( coded) therapy used by PT, OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and picture of the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars. > Has anyone heard of this? > > I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha! ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Clearly, we need to do more to protect our profession. I notice that Graston Technique is a registered trademark-- what exactly are they trademarking, the name or the technique? I have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands of dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. I'll stick with my .99 spoon. Emily : subincor: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:25:46 +0000Re: Re: PTs doing gua sha? Hi all,Let's call it what it is: theft. " graston " technique is nothing more than guasha with hypothetical physiological justifications.The trouble we would have if we co-opted another profession's technique, changed its paintjob and promoted it as our discovery.This is not ethical.Hugo yangchi125 <yintang121To: Chinese Medicine: Thursday, 29 May, 2008 8:54:22 AMRe: PTs doing gua sha?http://www.grastont echnique. comgraston technique is a professional( coded) therapy used by PT,OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and pictureof the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars.> Has anyone heard of this?> > I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (intwo different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping ahard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising.Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it soundsa lot like gua sha!________Sent from Mail.A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh\ _family_safety_052008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Hi Emily; --- have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands of dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. I'll stick with my .99 spoon. --- And your rich, varied and TESTED profession. Hugo ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I saw a quick clip on TV about it, a few months ago. It sounded like an adapted version of Gua Sha. Patients were experiencing great results. Try googling something similar. You may get the name come up. Anne -- Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.SouthernMDacupuncture.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- Emily Konstan <emilylists > Has anyone heard of this? > > I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different > businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along > the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this > procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha! > _______________ > Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Great comment, Hugo. Can anyone really replace what a Chinese Medical practitioner does? Just the nature of how the treatment is administered, I would imagine, is very different. My experience of chiropractic offices and PT centers is that they are focused on relieving the immediate pain. I really don't see this as moving to the deeper levels of why the pain is there, digging up the sludge underneath, and making way for some deeper movement in life. I am not saying pain relief is bad. Of course it is good and gives a patient a brighter outlook, but it is not the deep work that I believe most of our practitioners are doing. Anne -- Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.SouthernMDacupuncture.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Hi Emily; > --- > have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands of > dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. I'll stick with > my .99 spoon. > --- > > And your rich, varied and TESTED profession. > > Hugo > > > ________ > Sent from Mail. > A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Phil Correct analysis. While at the First Fascia Research Symposium in Boston this past October my BaGuaFa Banner presentation was hanging in the Rotunda at Harvard along with Aria Nielsen's on Gua Sha. Aria and I had a discussion regarding these issues. Graston would not dare sue us or anyone else using Gua Sha. They have no leg to stand on. Graston didn't need to understand TCM to see an instantaneous and effective treatment modality. That TCM of recent times has apparently chosen these techniques to secondary position versus " the needle " is a loss to practitioners and patients alike - in my opinion. As a daily practitioner of both Gua Sha and Cupping........after 14 years and tens of thousands of patient treatments I will say that from the standpoint of understanding and resolving myofascia and musculo-skeletal pain syndromes it is not necessary to know TCM. It helps in many ways but is not a pre-requisite. Richard In a message dated 5/30/2008 8:56:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, writes: Hi All, & Emily, Emily Konstan wrote: > Clearly, we need to do more to protect our profession. I notice that > Graston Technique is a registered trademark-- what exactly are they > trademarking, the name or the technique? I suspect that Graston can have patented the name, instruments, training courses and promotional data. Only those certified by the organisation can call themselves Graston Technique practitioners. Their slide-show is at _http://www.grastonthttp://wwhttp://wwwhttp://ww_ (http://www.grastontechnique.com/Slide_Show.html) > I have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands > of dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. According to _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/6pse3o) the SIX instruments cost 61231 Graston Technique Instruments 6/Set $3,162 61312 Belt Carrying Case (2 pieces) Each $45.50 PLUS maintenance/PLUS maintenance Though the website [ _http://www.grastonthttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.grastontechnique.com/) ] says that professionals can buy the instruments after the M1 basic course (circa 500$), the full course costs circa 2600$. > I'll stick with my .99 spoon. Emily I agree. Graston is some money-making operation! In Ireland, we say that: " A Fool and his money are easily parted! " For a total of 71 US$, Mayfair Medical (Hongkong) has a set of 10 Gua Sha Massage Tools: Fish shape Rectangle shape - 10 x 5.5 cm Rectangle shape - 6.5 x 3.8 cm Rectangle shape - 8 x 4.8 cm Rectangle shape w finger arch - 6 x 9.5 cm Rod shape - 8.5 cm Rod shape - 9 cm Rod shape - 9 cm Rod shape - 11 cm Rod shape - 12.5 cm See: _http://www.mayfairmhttp://www.mahttp://www.mayfhtt_ (http://www.mayfairmed.com/newmf/eng/searchprod.asp) Best regards, **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with Tyler Florence " on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Hi All, & Emily, Emily Konstan wrote: > Clearly, we need to do more to protect our profession. I notice that > Graston Technique is a registered trademark-- what exactly are they > trademarking, the name or the technique? I suspect that Graston can have patented the name, instruments, training courses and promotional data. Only those certified by the organisation can call themselves Graston Technique practitioners. Their slide-show is at http://www.grastontechnique.com/Slide_Show.html > I have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands > of dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. According to http://tinyurl.com/6pse3o the SIX instruments cost 61231 Graston Technique Instruments 6/Set $3,162 61312 Belt Carrying Case (2 pieces) Each $45.50 PLUS maintenance/support fee of $100! Though the website [ http://www.grastontechnique.com/ ] says that professionals can buy the instruments after the M1 basic course (circa 500$), the full course costs circa 2600$. > I'll stick with my .99 spoon. Emily I agree. Graston is some money-making operation! In Ireland, we say that: " A Fool and his money are easily parted! " For a total of 71 US$, Mayfair Medical (Hongkong) has a set of 10 Gua Sha Massage Tools: Fish shape Rectangle shape - 10 x 5.5 cm Rectangle shape - 6.5 x 3.8 cm Rectangle shape - 8 x 4.8 cm Rectangle shape w finger arch - 6 x 9.5 cm Rod shape - 8.5 cm Rod shape - 9 cm Rod shape - 9 cm Rod shape - 11 cm Rod shape - 12.5 cm See: http://www.mayfairmed.com/newmf/eng/searchprod.asp Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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