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Has anyone heard of this?

 

I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different

businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along

the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this

procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha!

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gua sha has become a popular item in many " spas " . It wouldn't surprise me if

PTs also start to do it.

 

 

 

Emily Konstan <emilylists wrote: Has anyone heard of this?

 

I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two different

businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along

the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what this

procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha!

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http://www.grastontechnique.com

 

graston technique is a professional(coded) therapy used by PT,

OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and picture

of the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars.

 

 

> Has anyone heard of this?

>

> I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in

two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a

hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising.

Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds

a lot like gua sha!

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PTs have a whole system of gua sha with classes and certif

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

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Somebody on this list posted this up also,

about a year ago.

 

This guy/corporation is stealing traditional ideas (without giving credit to

where the technique is derived)

sounds like the school teacher who invented Yin qiao san and called it

Airborne.

 

and then they say that Chinese medicine doesn't work! ?

 

They've been making tools like this in China for generations.

A teacher of mine brought some bronze ones back from Chengdu.

 

 

K.

 

 

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:54 AM, yangchi125 <yintang121 wrote:

 

> http://www.grastontechnique.com

>

> graston technique is a professional(coded) therapy used by PT,

> OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and picture

> of the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars.

>

> > Has anyone heard of this?

> >

> > I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in

> two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a

> hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising.

> Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds

> a lot like gua sha!

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Hi all,

Let's call it what it is: theft.

" graston " technique is nothing more than guasha with hypothetical physiological

justifications.

The trouble we would have if we co-opted another profession's technique,

changed its paintjob and promoted it as our discovery.

This is not ethical.

Hugo

 

 

 

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Re: PTs doing gua sha?

 

 

http://www.grastont echnique. com

 

graston technique is a professional( coded) therapy used by PT,

OTs.similar to gua sha. the web site has lots of good info and picture

of the tools which are more specific than spoons and baby food jars.

 

> Has anyone heard of this?

>

> I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in

two different businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a

hard plastic tool along the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising.

Neither could remember what this procedure was called, but it sounds

a lot like gua sha!

 

 

 

 

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Clearly, we need to do more to protect our profession. I notice that Graston

Technique is a registered trademark-- what exactly are they trademarking, the

name or the technique?

 

I have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands of dollars

to buy the tools and go through the training. I'll stick with my .99 spoon.

 

Emily

 

 

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Thu, 29 May 2008 16:25:46 +0000Re: Re: PTs doing gua sha?

 

 

 

Hi all,Let's call it what it is: theft. " graston " technique is nothing more than

guasha with hypothetical physiological justifications.The trouble we would have

if we co-opted another profession's technique, changed its paintjob and promoted

it as our discovery.This is not ethical.Hugo

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Chinese Medicine: Thursday, 29 May, 2008 8:54:22

AMRe: PTs doing gua sha?http://www.grastont echnique. comgraston

technique is a professional( coded) therapy used by PT,OTs.similar to gua sha.

the web site has lots of good info and pictureof the tools which are more

specific than spoons and baby food jars.> Has anyone heard of this?> > I have

had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (intwo different

businesses) used a modality which involved scraping ahard plastic tool along the

skin, sometimes to the point of bruising.Neither could remember what this

procedure was called, but it soundsa lot like gua

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Hi Emily;

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have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands of

dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. I'll stick with

my .99 spoon.

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And your rich, varied and TESTED profession.

 

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I saw a quick clip on TV about it, a few months ago. It sounded like an adapted

version of Gua Sha. Patients were experiencing great results. Try googling

something similar. You may get the name come up.

 

Anne

 

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Emily Konstan <emilylists

> Has anyone heard of this?

>

> I have had two patients tell me that their physical therapist (in two

different

> businesses) used a modality which involved scraping a hard plastic tool along

> the skin, sometimes to the point of bruising. Neither could remember what

this

> procedure was called, but it sounds a lot like gua sha!

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Great comment, Hugo. Can anyone really replace what a Chinese Medical

practitioner does? Just the nature of how the treatment is administered, I would

imagine, is very different. My experience of chiropractic offices and PT

centers is that they are focused on relieving the immediate pain. I really

don't see this as moving to the deeper levels of why the pain is there, digging

up the sludge underneath, and making way for some deeper movement in life.

 

I am not saying pain relief is bad. Of course it is good and gives a patient a

brighter outlook, but it is not the deep work that I believe most of our

practitioners are doing.

 

Anne

 

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> Hi Emily;

> ---

> have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands of

> dollars to buy the tools and go through the training. I'll stick with

> my .99 spoon.

> ---

>

> And your rich, varied and TESTED profession.

>

> Hugo

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Correct analysis.

 

While at the First Fascia Research Symposium in Boston this past October my

BaGuaFa Banner presentation was hanging in the Rotunda at Harvard along with

Aria Nielsen's on Gua Sha. Aria and I had a discussion regarding these

issues. Graston would not dare sue us or anyone else using Gua Sha. They have

no

leg to stand on.

 

Graston didn't need to understand TCM to see an instantaneous and effective

treatment modality.

 

That TCM of recent times has apparently chosen these techniques to secondary

position versus " the needle " is a loss to practitioners and patients alike -

in my opinion.

 

As a daily practitioner of both Gua Sha and Cupping........after 14 years

and tens of thousands of patient treatments I will say that from the standpoint

of understanding and resolving myofascia and musculo-skeletal pain syndromes

it is not necessary to know TCM. It helps in many ways but is not a

pre-requisite.

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/30/2008 8:56:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,

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Hi All, & Emily,

 

Emily Konstan wrote:

> Clearly, we need to do more to protect our profession. I notice that

> Graston Technique is a registered trademark-- what exactly are they

> trademarking, the name or the technique?

 

I suspect that Graston can have patented the name, instruments,

training courses and promotional data. Only those certified by the

organisation can call themselves Graston Technique practitioners.

 

Their slide-show is at

_http://www.grastonthttp://wwhttp://wwwhttp://ww_

(http://www.grastontechnique.com/Slide_Show.html)

 

> I have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands

> of dollars to buy the tools and go through the training.

 

According to _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/6pse3o) the

SIX instruments cost

 

61231 Graston Technique Instruments 6/Set $3,162

61312 Belt Carrying Case (2 pieces) Each $45.50

PLUS maintenance/PLUS maintenance

 

Though the website [ _http://www.grastonthttp://wwhttp_

(http://www.grastontechnique.com/) ] says that

professionals can buy the instruments after the M1 basic course

(circa 500$), the full course costs circa 2600$.

 

> I'll stick with my .99 spoon. Emily

 

I agree. Graston is some money-making operation! In Ireland, we say

that: " A Fool and his money are easily parted! "

 

For a total of 71 US$, Mayfair Medical (Hongkong) has a set of 10

Gua Sha Massage Tools:

Fish shape

Rectangle shape - 10 x 5.5 cm

Rectangle shape - 6.5 x 3.8 cm

Rectangle shape - 8 x 4.8 cm

Rectangle shape w finger arch - 6 x 9.5 cm

Rod shape - 8.5 cm

Rod shape - 9 cm

Rod shape - 9 cm

Rod shape - 11 cm

Rod shape - 12.5 cm

 

See: _http://www.mayfairmhttp://www.mahttp://www.mayfhtt_

(http://www.mayfairmed.com/newmf/eng/searchprod.asp)

 

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Hi All, & Emily,

 

Emily Konstan wrote:

> Clearly, we need to do more to protect our profession. I notice that

> Graston Technique is a registered trademark-- what exactly are they

> trademarking, the name or the technique?

 

I suspect that Graston can have patented the name, instruments,

training courses and promotional data. Only those certified by the

organisation can call themselves Graston Technique practitioners.

 

Their slide-show is at

http://www.grastontechnique.com/Slide_Show.html

 

> I have now heard from a couple of people that it is in the thousands

> of dollars to buy the tools and go through the training.

 

According to http://tinyurl.com/6pse3o the SIX instruments cost

 

61231 Graston Technique Instruments 6/Set $3,162

61312 Belt Carrying Case (2 pieces) Each $45.50

PLUS maintenance/support fee of $100!

 

Though the website [ http://www.grastontechnique.com/ ] says that

professionals can buy the instruments after the M1 basic course

(circa 500$), the full course costs circa 2600$.

 

> I'll stick with my .99 spoon. Emily

 

I agree. Graston is some money-making operation! In Ireland, we say

that: " A Fool and his money are easily parted! "

 

For a total of 71 US$, Mayfair Medical (Hongkong) has a set of 10

Gua Sha Massage Tools:

Fish shape

Rectangle shape - 10 x 5.5 cm

Rectangle shape - 6.5 x 3.8 cm

Rectangle shape - 8 x 4.8 cm

Rectangle shape w finger arch - 6 x 9.5 cm

Rod shape - 8.5 cm

Rod shape - 9 cm

Rod shape - 9 cm

Rod shape - 11 cm

Rod shape - 12.5 cm

 

See: http://www.mayfairmed.com/newmf/eng/searchprod.asp

 

Best regards,

 

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