Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear all , & nbsp; while studying tcm we came to know that there are different form of soul ethereal or corporeal ,one of the friends was & nbsp; asking if any & nbsp;body knows in tcm when the soul comes to the body ( & nbsp;at the time of pregnancy ) ,I do not know why she has become interested in this but she is comparing it with other literature's. & nbsp; & nbsp; regards. Dr,Fadaie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 This is a complex question and the answer depends on the tradition you study. My understanding is that the Po (corporeal soul) does not enter the body until the first breath, while the Hun (ethereal soul) in imparted to the person before birth and perhaps even before conception as a destiny. The Hun is timeless and survives death while the Po dies with the body. The Hun is basically on loan to us from the Tao, while the Po's job is to keep the person alive long enough so that the Hun can make manifest the will of heaven on earth. I hope this helps. Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. Oasis Acupuncture http://www.oasisacupuncture.com 9832 N. Hayden Rd. Suite 215 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Phone: (480) 991-3650 Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of majid fadaie Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:16 AM Chinese Medicine soul and tcm Dear all , & nbsp; while studying tcm we came to know that there are different form of soul ethereal or corporeal ,one of the friends was & nbsp; asking if any & nbsp;body knows in tcm when the soul comes to the body ( & nbsp;at the time of pregnancy ) ,I do not know why she has become interested in this but she is comparing it with other literature's. & nbsp; & nbsp; regards. Dr,Fadaie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Dear Christopher and others , Dermot & nbsp; thank you for your input,I think it has answered her questions , & nbsp; & nbsp; great regards. Dr,Fadaie --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. & lt;vedeler & gt; wrote: Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. & lt;vedeler & gt; RE: soul and tcm Chinese Medicine Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 4:54 PM This is a complex question and the answer depends on the tradition you study. My understanding is that the Po (corporeal soul) does not enter the body until the first breath, while the Hun (ethereal soul) in imparted to the person before birth and perhaps even before conception as a destiny. The Hun is timeless and survives death while the Po dies with the body. The Hun is basically on loan to us from the Tao, while the Po's job is to keep the person alive long enough so that the Hun can make manifest the will of heaven on earth. I hope this helps. Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. Oasis Acupuncture http://www.oasisacu puncture. com 9832 N. Hayden Rd. Suite 215 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Phone: (480) 991-3650 Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine [Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of majid fadaie Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:16 AM soul and tcm Dear all , & amp;nbsp; while studying tcm we came to know that there are different form of soul ethereal or corporeal ,one of the friends was & amp;nbsp; asking if any & amp;nbsp;body knows in tcm when the soul comes to the body ( & amp;nbsp;at the time of pregnancy ) ,I do not know why she has become interested in this but she is comparing it with other literature's. & amp;nbsp; & amp;nbsp; regards. Dr,Fadaie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I thought I'd just address the issue of soul in CM. This from the context that CM is a living tradition so we are free to use ideas such as hun and po as icons open for discussion and inquiry beyond antiquated myth and superstitions. ------------------- If we draw the 5 elements in a cross with earth in the middle we can see that the heart/kidney axis defines the vertical and wood and earth define the horizontal axis. Water/fire define the absolute, impersonal, axis. The vertical, evolutionary axis of development. This axis is the zhen and zheng qi, the upright qi. That impersonal, part of us that wasn't born and wont die. And it's absolute-a self beyond time and life experience. The horizontal axis is the human, personal soul. That part of us that strives to merge with the absolute. The conscience is the voice of the soul guiding us to the absolute. I'd define the condition of the soul to perfectly reflect all past actions we've taken. I'd say the spirit (vertical axis) is that part of us untouched by life where there never is any problem. Wood strives to burn entirely in fire, Metal strives to dissolve entirely (as symbolized by mercury) in Water. We use will (zhi) to close the gap and surrender to the absolute. When human will (the soul) is aligned with the absolute axis we are left with ONE vertical line Water Earth Fire. With the application of will fire penetrates water, potential flows ceaselessly into manifestation and we are left with one single point and all elements unified. This is the physiological representation of the nondual realization in the context of elemental physiology and the relationship between the soul (horizontal) and the absolute (vertical) axis. Warm regards, Lonny Jarrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 If we draw the 5 elements in a cross with earth in the middle we can see that the heart/kidney axis defines the vertical and wood and earth define the horizontal axis.\ Should read heart/kidney axis defines the vertical and wood and metal define the horizontal axis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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