Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Treat the w/d symptoms with acupuncture for example if they're shaky needle wind points, insane- shen points, ht points, etc...In general all medications deplete the kidney yin, so boost yin...You can use dopa(kapicachu, ayurvedic herb) bean but don't mix it with wellbutrin. Most people on psyche meds have a lot of phlegm fire so do points, herbs to reduce phlegm in the brain, st40, sp3, moxa sp shu, herbs like chang pu, yuan zhi or a formula like buplereum d with some ban xia in it. Ear needles, head needles are good. Wellbutrin is one of the hardest meds to w/d from I personally know of several people who went full-blown insane either while taking it or from stopping taking it, its really scary stuff. Chinese Medicine , " lou hart " <loulumina wrote: > > For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw > from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 I worked with patient who slowly stepped down dosages over a period of about a year. I did general body acupuncture to match her ddx (usually Liv 3/ P 6/ ST 36/ K3 type stuff) to help her deal with her depression and anxiety. In addition, I used ear acupuncture to ease her withdrawal symptoms (primarily dizziness and greater depression). I always used shen men, and usually added a liver and sympathetic point. Sometimes I used the full NADA protocol. In a few treatments, I left out the ear points, and she has less of a reprieve from the withdrawal symptoms. She felt like the ear points were most helpful with the withdrawal. She had been on a very large dose of Wellbutrin for years. With supportive treatment, she was able to cut down to a very small dose after about a year of slowly stepping down. Every time she stepped down, she would have severe withdrawal symptoms for about a month. Acupuncture would significantly lessen the symptoms for about 5 days at a time. I hope this is helpful. Ariel lou hart wrote: > > For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw > from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I have a case I’m working on now who is trying to go off Kolonopine. He weaned off way to fast (against my advice) and it was horrible. It was full blown drug withdraw including shakes, sweats, crying fits, muscle spasms etc. He put up with it with my assistance for 3 days, but gave up and went back to taking it. I consulted a pharmacologist (the ones who should be prescribing) and he told me people die from going off this one too fast. He also said the patient must go off these meds very, very slowly so they don’t undergo full blown withdraw and death. Many of these pills can be cut up. Kolonopine can be divided into ¼’s. Reducing ¼ of a pill every two weeks or so would be reasonable. Any quicker will get you into trouble. There is a wonderful website that I have found very helpful. www.rxlist.com <http://www.rxlist.com/> . This site gives such great information including details on studies and warnings & precautions. I use it on all medications my patients list. I also make sure my patients are aware of any and all side effects. _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of jasonwcom Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:03 AM Chinese Medicine Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin Treat the w/d symptoms with acupuncture for example if they're shaky needle wind points, insane- shen points, ht points, etc...In general all medications deplete the kidney yin, so boost yin...You can use dopa(kapicachu, ayurvedic herb) bean but don't mix it with wellbutrin. Most people on psyche meds have a lot of phlegm fire so do points, herbs to reduce phlegm in the brain, st40, sp3, moxa sp shu, herbs like chang pu, yuan zhi or a formula like buplereum d with some ban xia in it. Ear needles, head needles are good. Wellbutrin is one of the hardest meds to w/d from I personally know of several people who went full-blown insane either while taking it or from stopping taking it, its really scary stuff. Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine , " lou hart " <loulumina wrote: > > For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw > from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I have the answer for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am working on a research study and there is a huge double blind study coming out. It’s not Chinese medicine but it’s all natural. It’s amino acids. It takes away the withdrawal. This is not a business, I don’t make a penny off of the supplement!!!!! The company that works on the mood supplement is NON PROFIT PLEASE let me help this person, I will donate my time. I have seen many people get off multiple psych meds relatively pain free as opposed to the horrific withdrawal that is common (I am a psychiatrist in case you don’t know, back in school learning TCM) The aminos are better than benzos for anxiety and can be used much the same way. There are protocols. This psychiatrist means well but does not know about these products because the studies are out yet and well, not everyone has an open mind. I promise you if you have a patient on an ssri, klonopin or any psych medication I can help them get off and feel well in the process. Again I don’t make any money off of the supplements. In fact people save money because I get a better price because I am a licensed practitioner. My goal here is to get everyone off medication easily without pain. I will email anyone privately any information they want, they can order supplements for their own patients, they need to go through training to use them (the training is FREE) However if you are not a psychiatrist it is probably not a great idea to start weaning people off a lot of medication without a lot of support. If you still have contact with this patient or person I will speak to them FOR FREE in the name of getting them comfortably off medication. Even with the psychiatrist going slowly THIS PERSON WILL SUFFER. It does not matter how slowly the doctor goes, without the proper brain support they will suffer and have anxiety and all the same problems that made them need the klonopin I the first place. So in the name of whoever this is not suffering feel free to give me a call Email me net Or call 516 849 4985 I can’t stand to hear about people withdrawing from these medications without support or help!! I can’t wait for these studies to be released. Of course getting doctors to actually believe them and use the supplements to help their patients is another story! Again, not a business, no charge to learn about the products and I do not make a penny off of the supplements!! I just want to help Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of acudoc Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:52 AM Chinese Medicine RE: Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin I have a case I’m working on now who is trying to go off Kolonopine. He weaned off way to fast (against my advice) and it was horrible. It was full blown drug withdraw including shakes, sweats, crying fits, muscle spasms etc. He put up with it with my assistance for 3 days, but gave up and went back to taking it. I consulted a pharmacologist (the ones who should be prescribing) and he told me people die from going off this one too fast. He also said the patient must go off these meds very, very slowly so they don’t undergo full blown withdraw and death. Many of these pills can be cut up. Kolonopine can be divided into ¼’s. Reducing ¼ of a pill every two weeks or so would be reasonable. Any quicker will get you into trouble. There is a wonderful website that I have found very helpful. www.rxlist.com <http://www.rxlist.com/> . This site gives such great information including details on studies and warnings & precautions. I use it on all medications my patients list. I also make sure my patients are aware of any and all side effects. _____ Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> [Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> ] On Behalf Of jasonwcom Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:03 AM Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin Treat the w/d symptoms with acupuncture for example if they're shaky needle wind points, insane- shen points, ht points, etc...In general all medications deplete the kidney yin, so boost yin...You can use dopa(kapicachu, ayurvedic herb) bean but don't mix it with wellbutrin. Most people on psyche meds have a lot of phlegm fire so do points, herbs to reduce phlegm in the brain, st40, sp3, moxa sp shu, herbs like chang pu, yuan zhi or a formula like buplereum d with some ban xia in it. Ear needles, head needles are good. Wellbutrin is one of the hardest meds to w/d from I personally know of several people who went full-blown insane either while taking it or from stopping taking it, its really scary stuff. Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40> , " lou hart " <loulumina wrote: > > For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw > from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I once had to send a young man who was trying to get of klonopin (right spelling) to a detox center. This drug is highly addictive, and he was writhing on my table. Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac has spoken about her ordeal in getting off of it (hospitalization, skin peeling off, etc.), and said it was a worse withdrawal than from cocaine. . . Other than that, I agree with your method of withdrawing your patient. Acupuncture and herbs can be very useful in these situations, but like you say it has to be very gradual. On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:51 AM, acudoc wrote: > I have a case I’m working on now who is trying to go off Kolonopine. > He > weaned off way to fast (against my advice) and it was horrible. It > was full > blown drug withdraw including shakes, sweats, crying fits, muscle > spasms > etc. He put up with it with my assistance for 3 days, but gave up > and went > back to taking it. I consulted a pharmacologist (the ones who should > be > prescribing) and he told me people die from going off this one too > fast. He > also said the patient must go off these meds very, very slowly so > they don’t > undergo full blown withdraw and death. Many of these pills can be > cut up. > Kolonopine can be divided into ¼’s. Reducing ¼ of a pill every two > weeks or > so would be reasonable. Any quicker will get you into trouble. > > There is a wonderful website that I have found very helpful. www.rxlist.com > <http://www.rxlist.com/> . This site gives such great information > including > details on studies and warnings & precautions. I use it on all > medications > my patients list. I also make sure my patients are aware of any and > all side > effects. > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I once had to send a young man who was trying to get of klonopin (right spelling) to a detox center. This drug is highly addictive, and he was writhing on my table. Lonny: My experience is that this is one of the very worst meds I've ever seen people put on and its effects are often actually worse than what it is prescribed for. My definition of a good drug is " one that kills you more slowly than your disease " . Klonopin most often fails to pass this test. I have found that people need to be taken off it slowly and I do whatever I can do to dissuade patients from getting on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Z'ev and Dr. Nancy Tice, I'm noticing that PubMed Central lists a year 2002 " health alert " about Wellbutrin also known as Bupropion (used for smoking cessation). See: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez & artid=99232. It appears to me that taking this drug, withdrawing from this drug and treating its withdrawal are all risky behaviors. If you've got a safe withdrawal protocol, Dr. Nancy, it would be good to use it in parallel care with CM. I've posted to my brother Dr. John Segmen (Western NY clinical psychologist) about your offer of assistance. I hope this amino acid study works out well. Respectfully, Emmanuel Segmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I am happy to talk to and share with anyone, that is the point. Like I said I don't make any money off of this! My goal is to teach clinicians so that patients don't suffer. Cymbalta and effexor are also very difficult. I'm in NY (on long island) Probably clear from my phone number. Anyway feel free to have him email me net Or call 516 849 4985 If he is looking for a protocol to improve patient's mood along with the aminos I can help with that too. Again, I don't make a penny. In fact the supplement company is non-profit. I'm working on a research study and our goal is to get people off meds pain free, and stop those who don't need them from being on them. Anyway I hope I can help. I so hate that they are using this for smoking cessation! Acupuncture is much better! Anything is better LOL. It's not funny it's sad, it's just been a long day. I'd be happy to speak to your brother! Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Emmanuel Segmen Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:54 PM Chinese Medicine Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin Dear Z'ev and Dr. Nancy Tice, I'm noticing that PubMed Central lists a year 2002 " health alert " about Wellbutrin also known as Bupropion (used for smoking cessation). See: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez <http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez & artid=99 232.> & artid=99232. It appears to me that taking this drug, withdrawing from this drug and treating its withdrawal are all risky behaviors. If you've got a safe withdrawal protocol, Dr. Nancy, it would be good to use it in parallel care with CM. I've posted to my brother Dr. John Segmen (Western NY clinical psychologist) about your offer of assistance. I hope this amino acid study works out well. Respectfully, Emmanuel Segmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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