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Treat the w/d symptoms with acupuncture for example if they're shaky

needle wind points, insane- shen points, ht points, etc...In general

all medications deplete the kidney yin, so boost yin...You can use

dopa(kapicachu, ayurvedic herb) bean but don't mix it with wellbutrin.

Most people on psyche meds have a lot of phlegm fire so do points,

herbs to reduce phlegm in the brain, st40, sp3, moxa sp shu, herbs

like chang pu, yuan zhi or a formula like buplereum d with some ban

xia in it. Ear needles, head needles are good. Wellbutrin is one of

the hardest meds to w/d from I personally know of several people who

went full-blown insane either while taking it or from stopping taking

it, its really scary stuff.

 

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> For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw

> from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou

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I worked with patient who slowly stepped down dosages over a period of

about a year. I did general body acupuncture to match her ddx (usually

Liv 3/ P 6/ ST 36/ K3 type stuff) to help her deal with her depression

and anxiety. In addition, I used ear acupuncture to ease her withdrawal

symptoms (primarily dizziness and greater depression). I always used

shen men, and usually added a liver and sympathetic point. Sometimes I

used the full NADA protocol.

 

In a few treatments, I left out the ear points, and she has less of a

reprieve from the withdrawal symptoms. She felt like the ear points

were most helpful with the withdrawal.

 

She had been on a very large dose of Wellbutrin for years. With

supportive treatment, she was able to cut down to a very small dose

after about a year of slowly stepping down. Every time she stepped

down, she would have severe withdrawal symptoms for about a month.

Acupuncture would significantly lessen the symptoms for about 5 days at

a time.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

Ariel

 

 

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> For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw

> from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou

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I have a case I’m working on now who is trying to go off Kolonopine. He

weaned off way to fast (against my advice) and it was horrible. It was full

blown drug withdraw including shakes, sweats, crying fits, muscle spasms

etc. He put up with it with my assistance for 3 days, but gave up and went

back to taking it. I consulted a pharmacologist (the ones who should be

prescribing) and he told me people die from going off this one too fast. He

also said the patient must go off these meds very, very slowly so they don’t

undergo full blown withdraw and death. Many of these pills can be cut up.

Kolonopine can be divided into ¼’s. Reducing ¼ of a pill every two weeks or

so would be reasonable. Any quicker will get you into trouble.

 

 

 

There is a wonderful website that I have found very helpful. www.rxlist.com

<http://www.rxlist.com/> . This site gives such great information including

details on studies and warnings & precautions. I use it on all medications

my patients list. I also make sure my patients are aware of any and all side

effects.

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of jasonwcom

Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:03 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin

 

 

 

Treat the w/d symptoms with acupuncture for example if they're shaky

needle wind points, insane- shen points, ht points, etc...In general

all medications deplete the kidney yin, so boost yin...You can use

dopa(kapicachu, ayurvedic herb) bean but don't mix it with wellbutrin.

Most people on psyche meds have a lot of phlegm fire so do points,

herbs to reduce phlegm in the brain, st40, sp3, moxa sp shu, herbs

like chang pu, yuan zhi or a formula like buplereum d with some ban

xia in it. Ear needles, head needles are good. Wellbutrin is one of

the hardest meds to w/d from I personally know of several people who

went full-blown insane either while taking it or from stopping taking

it, its really scary stuff.

 

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Chinese_Medicine , " lou hart "

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> For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw

> from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou

>

>

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I have the answer for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

I am working on a research study and there is a huge double blind study

coming out.

 

 

 

It’s not Chinese medicine but it’s all natural. It’s amino acids. It takes

away the withdrawal. This is not a business, I don’t make a penny off of

the supplement!!!!!

 

The company that works on the mood supplement is NON PROFIT

 

 

 

PLEASE let me help this person, I will donate my time.

 

 

 

I have seen many people get off multiple psych meds relatively pain free as

opposed to the horrific withdrawal that is common (I am a psychiatrist in

case you don’t know, back in school learning TCM)

 

 

 

The aminos are better than benzos for anxiety and can be used much the same

way. There are protocols.

 

 

 

This psychiatrist means well but does not know about these products because

the studies are out yet and well, not everyone has an open mind.

 

 

 

I promise you if you have a patient on an ssri, klonopin or any psych

medication I can help them get off and feel well in the process.

 

 

 

Again I don’t make any money off of the supplements. In fact people save

money because I get a better price because I am a licensed practitioner. My

goal here is to get everyone off medication easily without pain.

 

I will email anyone privately any information they want, they can order

supplements for their own patients, they need to go through training to use

them (the training is FREE)

 

 

 

However if you are not a psychiatrist it is probably not a great idea to

start weaning people off a lot of medication without a lot of support.

 

 

 

If you still have contact with this patient or person I will speak to them

FOR FREE in the name of getting them comfortably off medication. Even with

the psychiatrist going slowly THIS PERSON WILL SUFFER.

 

It does not matter how slowly the doctor goes, without the proper brain

support they will suffer and have anxiety and all the same problems that

made them need the klonopin I the first place.

 

 

 

So in the name of whoever this is not suffering feel free to give me a call

 

 

 

Email me net

 

 

 

Or call 516 849 4985

 

 

 

I can’t stand to hear about people withdrawing from these medications

without support or help!!

 

I can’t wait for these studies to be released. Of course getting doctors to

actually believe them and use the supplements to help their patients is

another story!

 

 

 

Again, not a business, no charge to learn about the products and I do not

make a penny off of the supplements!!

 

 

 

I just want to help

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of acudoc

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:52 AM

Chinese Medicine

RE: Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin

 

 

 

I have a case I’m working on now who is trying to go off Kolonopine. He

weaned off way to fast (against my advice) and it was horrible. It was full

blown drug withdraw including shakes, sweats, crying fits, muscle spasms

etc. He put up with it with my assistance for 3 days, but gave up and went

back to taking it. I consulted a pharmacologist (the ones who should be

prescribing) and he told me people die from going off this one too fast. He

also said the patient must go off these meds very, very slowly so they don’t

undergo full blown withdraw and death. Many of these pills can be cut up.

Kolonopine can be divided into ¼’s. Reducing ¼ of a pill every two weeks or

so would be reasonable. Any quicker will get you into trouble.

 

There is a wonderful website that I have found very helpful. www.rxlist.com

<http://www.rxlist.com/> . This site gives such great information including

details on studies and warnings & precautions. I use it on all medications

my patients list. I also make sure my patients are aware of any and all side

effects.

 

_____

 

Chinese Medicine

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jasonwcom

Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:03 AM

Chinese Medicine

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Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin

 

Treat the w/d symptoms with acupuncture for example if they're shaky

needle wind points, insane- shen points, ht points, etc...In general

all medications deplete the kidney yin, so boost yin...You can use

dopa(kapicachu, ayurvedic herb) bean but don't mix it with wellbutrin.

Most people on psyche meds have a lot of phlegm fire so do points,

herbs to reduce phlegm in the brain, st40, sp3, moxa sp shu, herbs

like chang pu, yuan zhi or a formula like buplereum d with some ban

xia in it. Ear needles, head needles are good. Wellbutrin is one of

the hardest meds to w/d from I personally know of several people who

went full-blown insane either while taking it or from stopping taking

it, its really scary stuff.

 

Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40>

, " lou hart "

<loulumina wrote:

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> For any information on what has been useful is helping patients withdraw

> from wellbutrin, Id be grateful. Lou

>

>

>

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I once had to send a young man who was trying to get of klonopin

(right spelling) to a detox center. This drug is highly addictive,

and he was writhing on my table. Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac has

spoken about her ordeal in getting off of it (hospitalization, skin

peeling off, etc.), and said it was a worse withdrawal than from

cocaine. . .

 

Other than that, I agree with your method of withdrawing your

patient. Acupuncture and herbs can be very useful in these

situations, but like you say it has to be very gradual.

 

 

On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:51 AM, acudoc wrote:

 

> I have a case I’m working on now who is trying to go off Kolonopine.

> He

> weaned off way to fast (against my advice) and it was horrible. It

> was full

> blown drug withdraw including shakes, sweats, crying fits, muscle

> spasms

> etc. He put up with it with my assistance for 3 days, but gave up

> and went

> back to taking it. I consulted a pharmacologist (the ones who should

> be

> prescribing) and he told me people die from going off this one too

> fast. He

> also said the patient must go off these meds very, very slowly so

> they don’t

> undergo full blown withdraw and death. Many of these pills can be

> cut up.

> Kolonopine can be divided into ¼’s. Reducing ¼ of a pill every two

> weeks or

> so would be reasonable. Any quicker will get you into trouble.

>

> There is a wonderful website that I have found very helpful. www.rxlist.com

> <http://www.rxlist.com/> . This site gives such great information

> including

> details on studies and warnings & precautions. I use it on all

> medications

> my patients list. I also make sure my patients are aware of any and

> all side

> effects.

>

> _____

>

 

 

 

 

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I once had to send a young man who was trying to get of klonopin

(right spelling) to a detox center. This drug is highly addictive,

and he was writhing on my table.

 

 

Lonny: My experience is that this is one of the very worst meds I've

ever seen people put on and its effects are often actually worse than

what it is prescribed for. My definition of a good drug is " one that

kills you more slowly than your disease " . Klonopin most often fails to

pass this test. I have found that people need to be taken off it

slowly and I do whatever I can do to dissuade patients from getting on

it.

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Dear Z'ev and Dr. Nancy Tice,

 

I'm noticing that PubMed Central lists a year 2002 " health alert " about

Wellbutrin also known as Bupropion (used for smoking cessation). See:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez & artid=99232.

 

It appears to me that taking this drug, withdrawing from this drug and treating

its withdrawal are all risky behaviors. If you've got a safe withdrawal

protocol, Dr. Nancy, it would be good to use it in parallel care with CM. I've

posted to my brother Dr. John Segmen (Western NY clinical psychologist) about

your offer of assistance. I hope this amino acid study works out well.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

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I am happy to talk to and share with anyone, that is the point. Like I said

I don't make any money off of this! My goal is to teach clinicians so that

patients don't suffer.

 

Cymbalta and effexor are also very difficult. I'm in NY (on long island)

 

Probably clear from my phone number. Anyway feel free to have him email me

net

 

Or call 516 849 4985

 

 

 

If he is looking for a protocol to improve patient's mood along with the

aminos I can help with that too. Again, I don't make a penny. In fact the

supplement company is non-profit.

 

I'm working on a research study and our goal is to get people off meds pain

free, and stop those who don't need them from being on them.

 

 

 

Anyway I hope I can help. I so hate that they are using this for smoking

cessation! Acupuncture is much better! Anything is better LOL.

 

It's not funny it's sad, it's just been a long day.

 

 

 

I'd be happy to speak to your brother!

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Emmanuel

Segmen

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:54 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: withdraw fraom wellbutrin

 

 

 

Dear Z'ev and Dr. Nancy Tice,

 

I'm noticing that PubMed Central lists a year 2002 " health alert " about

Wellbutrin also known as Bupropion (used for smoking cessation). See:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez

<http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez & artid=99

232.> & artid=99232.

 

It appears to me that taking this drug, withdrawing from this drug and

treating its withdrawal are all risky behaviors. If you've got a safe

withdrawal protocol, Dr. Nancy, it would be good to use it in parallel care

with CM. I've posted to my brother Dr. John Segmen (Western NY clinical

psychologist) about your offer of assistance. I hope this amino acid study

works out well.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

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