Chinese herbs contraindicated during Pesach (Passover holiday)

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach. During this

eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to refrain from consuming or

benefitting from certain leavened grain products known as Chametz. (Ch is

pronounced as in Chanuka and not as in child) Below is a list of Chinese herbs

that are intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a manner which renders them

Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

 

1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia Glutinosa

3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

9. Yi Tang-maltose

10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

 

To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese medicinal

substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if anyone is aware of

others, to let me know. Of course it goes without saying, that this list is

only addressing the issue of Chometz, and not other issues relating to Kashrut.

Feel free to contact me should you have any questions.

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

I am curious what the problem is with shu di, chuan xiong, huang

jing and rou cong rong. I know they are rice wine fried, but that is

not chametz. If it is the fact they are prepared by cooking, then

many other herbs have to be considered as well that undergo pao zhi.

 

 

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach.

> During this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to

> refrain from consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain

> products known as Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not

> as in child) Below is a list of Chinese herbs that are

> intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a manner which renders

> them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

>

> 1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

> 2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia

> Glutinosa

> 3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

> 4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

> 5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

> 6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

> 7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

> 8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

> 9. Yi Tang-maltose

> 10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

> 11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

> 12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

> 13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

>

> To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese

> medicinal substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if

> anyone is aware of others, to let me know. Of course it goes

> without saying, that this list is only addressing the issue of

> Chometz, and not other issues relating to Kashrut. Feel free to

> contact me should you have any questions.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting, I wonder what about the cooking process of Sheng

di Huang to Shu Di Huang makes it 'not ok'

 

And I believe a life threatening illness would take precedence over Passover

rules. It would matter then the reason for the herbs? I know some people are

very serious and count medications and others don't.

 

Fascinating though! Very interesting information for those people who

practice in religious neighborhoods.

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of yehuda

frischman

Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:12 AM

TCM ; JewishHealing ;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Chinese herbs contraindicated during Pesach (Passover

holiday)

 

 

 

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach. During

this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to refrain from

consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain products known as

Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not as in child) Below is a

list of Chinese herbs that are intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a

manner which renders them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

 

1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia Glutinosa

3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

9. Yi Tang-maltose

10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

 

To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese medicinal

substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if anyone is aware of

others, to let me know. Of course it goes without saying, that this list is

only addressing the issue of Chometz, and not other issues relating to

Kashrut. Feel free to contact me should you have any questions.

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Very interesting, I can guess at some such as the animal products not being

kosher or the obvious grains but the others I would love to know why they are on

the list. I have a number of Jewish patients and they have not yet asked me

about it but would love to review their formulas to keep within their traditions

with them. Also any ideas on western or other culture herbs that would fall in

that area other than the obvious?

be well,

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

 

Nancy Tice <nancy wrote:

This is very interesting, I wonder what about the cooking process of

Sheng

di Huang to Shu Di Huang makes it 'not ok'

 

And I believe a life threatening illness would take precedence over Passover

rules. It would matter then the reason for the herbs? I know some people are

very serious and count medications and others don't.

 

Fascinating though! Very interesting information for those people who

practice in religious neighborhoods.

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of yehuda

frischman

Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:12 AM

TCM ; JewishHealing ;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Chinese herbs contraindicated during Pesach (Passover

holiday)

 

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach. During

this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to refrain from

consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain products known as

Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not as in child) Below is a

list of Chinese herbs that are intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a

manner which renders them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

 

1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia Glutinosa

3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

9. Yi Tang-maltose

10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

 

To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese medicinal

substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if anyone is aware of

others, to let me know. Of course it goes without saying, that this list is

only addressing the issue of Chometz, and not other issues relating to

Kashrut. Feel free to contact me should you have any questions.

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Z'ev,

 

My source is Mayway, which informs me that they are actually processed in

Barley wine, not rice wine, which is intrinsically chametz.

 

Yehuda

 

<zrosenbe wrote:

Yehuda,

I am curious what the problem is with shu di, chuan xiong, huang

jing and rou cong rong. I know they are rice wine fried, but that is

not chametz. If it is the fact they are prepared by cooking, then

many other herbs have to be considered as well that undergo pao zhi.

 

 

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach.

> During this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to

> refrain from consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain

> products known as Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not

> as in child) Below is a list of Chinese herbs that are

> intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a manner which renders

> them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

>

> 1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

> 2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia

> Glutinosa

> 3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

> 4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

> 5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

> 6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

> 7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

> 8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

> 9. Yi Tang-maltose

> 10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

> 11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

> 12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

> 13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

>

> To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese

> medicinal substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if

> anyone is aware of others, to let me know. Of course it goes

> without saying, that this list is only addressing the issue of

> Chometz, and not other issues relating to Kashrut. Feel free to

> contact me should you have any questions.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

I am curious what the problem is with shu di, chuan xiong, huang

jing and rou cong rong. I know they are rice wine fried, but that is

not chametz. If it is the fact they are prepared by cooking, then

many other herbs have to be considered as well that undergo pao zhi.

 

 

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach.

> During this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to

> refrain from consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain

> products known as Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not

> as in child) Below is a list of Chinese herbs that are

> intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a manner which renders

> them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

>

> 1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

> 2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia

> Glutinosa

> 3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

> 4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

> 5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

> 6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

> 7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

> 8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

> 9. Yi Tang-maltose

> 10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

> 11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

> 12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

> 13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

>

> To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese

> medicinal substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if

> anyone is aware of others, to let me know. Of course it goes

> without saying, that this list is only addressing the issue of

> Chometz, and not other issues relating to Kashrut. Feel free to

> contact me should you have any questions.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Z'ev,

 

My source is Mayway, which informs me that they are actually processed in

Barley wine, not rice wine, which is intrinsically chametz.

 

Yehuda

 

<zrosenbe wrote:

Yehuda,

I am curious what the problem is with shu di, chuan xiong, huang

jing and rou cong rong. I know they are rice wine fried, but that is

not chametz. If it is the fact they are prepared by cooking, then

many other herbs have to be considered as well that undergo pao zhi.

 

 

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach.

> During this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to

> refrain from consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain

> products known as Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not

> as in child) Below is a list of Chinese herbs that are

> intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a manner which renders

> them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

>

> 1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

> 2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia

> Glutinosa

> 3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

> 4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

> 5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

> 6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

> 7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

> 8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

> 9. Yi Tang-maltose

> 10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

> 11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

> 12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

> 13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

>

> To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese

> medicinal substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if

> anyone is aware of others, to let me know. Of course it goes

> without saying, that this list is only addressing the issue of

> Chometz, and not other issues relating to Kashrut. Feel free to

> contact me should you have any questions.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nancy,

 

As I mentioned in my response to Z'ev, according to Mayway, Shu Di Huang is

Sheng Di Huang prepared in barley wine. As far as taking medicine in life

threatening situations, Torah law is quite clear that whatever it takes to save

a life takes precedence. This is based upon the verse, " vechai bahem " (and you

shall live by them), which the oral Torah tells us means that one should not

cause oneself to die by following Torah precepts, but rather, on a one time

basis, in such a case the law is suspended. That being said, though, one needs

to be quite clear if life is at stake, for if not, then the laws become quite

complicated. In any event, whether during Pesach and concerning chametz, or

during the rest of the year and concerning dietary laws in general, one must

consult a competent, knowledgeable orthodox rabbinic authority, to clarify the

specifics of each case. In the event you are interested in issues such as

these, I would refer you to the that I

moderate: traditionaljewishmedicineandTCM.

 

All the best,

 

Yehuda

 

Nancy Tice <nancy wrote:

This is very interesting, I wonder what about the cooking process of

Sheng

di Huang to Shu Di Huang makes it 'not ok'

 

And I believe a life threatening illness would take precedence over Passover

rules. It would matter then the reason for the herbs? I know some people are

very serious and count medications and others don't.

 

Fascinating though! Very interesting information for those people who

practice in religious neighborhoods.

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of yehuda

frischman

Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:12 AM

TCM ; JewishHealing ;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Chinese herbs contraindicated during Pesach (Passover

holiday)

 

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach. During

this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to refrain from

consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain products known as

Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not as in child) Below is a

list of Chinese herbs that are intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a

manner which renders them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

 

1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia Glutinosa

3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

9. Yi Tang-maltose

10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

 

To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese medicinal

substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if anyone is aware of

others, to let me know. Of course it goes without saying, that this list is

only addressing the issue of Chometz, and not other issues relating to

Kashrut. Feel free to contact me should you have any questions.

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bob,

 

The Jewish dietary laws are very complicated and multilayered. In all cases,

the primary consideration is whether life will be endangered by not taking a

medicinal substance. A second consideration is whether the quality of life will

be compromised. A third consideration is potential damage to one's soul (Jewish

law views certain insects and reptiles as being extremely harmful spiritually).

Thus, whenever possible, the Jewish practitioner of Chinese medicine will

substitute non-animal products, or those considered less damaging spiritually.

That's year round.

 

With Pesach an additional layer is added on: a very specific process of

fermentation called " chimutz " can not take place, and if it does, a Jew is not

allowed to eat, own or derive benefit from it during the days of Pesach.

Chimutz occurs when one of 5 grains: Wheat, barley, oats, spelt or Rye, come in

contact with water for 18 minutes in a still environment. The list of 13

Chinese medicinals that I mentioned either are one of the five grains, or are

soaked in a mixture containing one of the 5 grains, such as barley wine, as I

mentioned earlier.

 

Hope I clarified things.

 

Yehuda

 

" Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist " <boblindeherbalist wrote:

Very interesting, I can guess at some such as the animal products not

being kosher or the obvious grains but the others I would love to know why they

are on the list. I have a number of Jewish patients and they have not yet asked

me about it but would love to review their formulas to keep within their

traditions with them. Also any ideas on western or other culture herbs that

would fall in that area other than the obvious?

be well,

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

 

Nancy Tice <nancy wrote:

This is very interesting, I wonder what about the cooking process of Sheng

di Huang to Shu Di Huang makes it 'not ok'

 

And I believe a life threatening illness would take precedence over Passover

rules. It would matter then the reason for the herbs? I know some people are

very serious and count medications and others don't.

 

Fascinating though! Very interesting information for those people who

practice in religious neighborhoods.

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of yehuda

frischman

Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:12 AM

TCM ; JewishHealing ;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Chinese herbs contraindicated during Pesach (Passover

holiday)

 

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

This coming Saturday evening begins the Jewish festival of Pesach. During

this eight day (seven in Israel) festival, Jews are to refrain from

consuming or benefitting from certain leavened grain products known as

Chametz. (Ch is pronounced as in Chanuka and not as in child) Below is a

list of Chinese herbs that are intrinsically Chametz or are processed in a

manner which renders them Chametz and are therefore not recommended:

 

1. E Jiao-Equus Asinus

2. Shu Di Huang (note that Sheng Di Huang is OK)- Rehmannia Glutinosa

3. Chuan Xiong-Ligusticum

4. Rou Cong Rong-Cistanche

5. Gui Ban Jiao-Chinemys Reevesii

6. Yi Yi Ren-Coix (often substituted with pearl barley)

7. Mai Ya-germinated barley

8. Da Mai Miao-Barley sprouts

9. Yi Tang-maltose

10. Fu Xiao Mai-light wheat

11. Lu Jiao Jiao-Cervus Nippon

12. Shen Qu-Massa Fermenta

13. Huang Jing-Polygonatum

 

To the best of my knowledge, this is a complete list of Chinese medicinal

substances that contain chometz. I would appreciate it if anyone is aware of

others, to let me know. Of course it goes without saying, that this list is

only addressing the issue of Chometz, and not other issues relating to

Kashrut. Feel free to contact me should you have any questions.

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

Don't you mean rice wine, not barley wine? Then it is a different

issue all together. . .

 

 

On Apr 14, 2008, at 2:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> The list of 13 Chinese medicinals that I mentioned either are one of

> the five grains, or are soaked in a mixture containing one of the 5

> grains, such as barley wine, as I mentioned earlier.

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

No, Z'ev,

 

I specifically mean barley wine. I too had always been taught that wine fried

or prepared meant rice wine. So was I when I was directed to the following

page on Mayway's website: http://www.mayway.com/downloads/gluten.pdf I was

quite surprised.

 

 

<zrosenbe wrote:

Yehuda,

Don't you mean rice wine, not barley wine? Then it is a different

issue all together. . .

 

 

On Apr 14, 2008, at 2:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> The list of 13 Chinese medicinals that I mentioned either are one of

> the five grains, or are soaked in a mixture containing one of the 5

> grains, such as barley wine, as I mentioned earlier.

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is helpful, thank you very much!

 

Z'ev

On Apr 16, 2008, at 12:31 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> No, Z'ev,

>

> I specifically mean barley wine. I too had always been taught that

> wine fried or prepared meant rice wine. So was I when I was directed

> to the following page on Mayway's website:

http://www.mayway.com/downloads/gluten.pdf

> I was quite surprised.

>

>

> <zrosenbe wrote:

> Yehuda,

> Don't you mean rice wine, not barley wine? Then it is a different

> issue all together. . .

>

>

> On Apr 14, 2008, at 2:12 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

>

> > The list of 13 Chinese medicinals that I mentioned either are one of

> > the five grains, or are soaked in a mixture containing one of the 5

> > grains, such as barley wine, as I mentioned earlier.

>

>

> Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

> Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

> San Diego, Ca. 92122

>

>