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Hi All,

 

Direct (scarring / suppurative) moxibustion does harm (admittedly minor

harm) in most cases.

 

IMO, practitioners who to the ethic of " First Do No Harm " , must

question the use direct moxibustion, or at least reserve its use to cases that

have not responded to gentler methods.

 

Are there any well designed trials that compared the clinical outcomes of

indirect (non-scarring) versus direct moxibustion?

 

Do those trials produce sound evidence of a significantly better outcome

from scarring / suppurative moxibustion over the milder form?

 

A of Medline search produced only 2 hits for the profile:

moxibustion AND (indirect OR non-scarring) AND (direct OR scarring OR

suppurative) AND ( " comparison of " OR compare*)

 

As one might expect, those hits confirmed that moxibustion increases skin

temperature and permeability. One study concluded: " Direct moxibustion

with a traditional moxa stick may produce its potent therapeutic effects by

thermal action, while traditional indirect moxibustion may act by producing

modest thermal action and a sympathetic vibration at the skin surface. Non-

traditional thermal materials and media may not be suitable substitutes for

traditional materials. The data provide a scientific, biophysical rationale for

traditional moxibustion " . NEITHER study compared the clinical outcomes of

the two methods (direct versus indirect).

 

Tatiana cited an article from Blue Poppy [ " Clinical Use of Suppurative

Moxibustion " by Li Ming-zhi, Shang Hai Zhen Jiu Za Zhi (Shanghai Journal

of Acupuncture & Moxibustion), #3, 1992, p. 33-34

www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/acup_tuina_rr.cfm ], which

said:

 

" Following administration of suppurative moxibustion, one may often

observe the immediate resolution of lingering illness. The *Zi Sheng Jing

(The Classic of Nourishing Life)* states that, " All moxa should must produce

a sore in order for the patient to recover. " As a result of this, it would

seem that suppurative moxibustion has a distinctive therapeutic effect.

 

Without citing evidence, http://www.jcrows.com/moxaarticles.html said:

 

" Because of the difference of quality and processing of moxa between

Japan and China, Japanese acupuncturists in general prefer direct

moxibustion while Chinese therapists do indirect moxibustion, especially

stick moxa. It requires a great deal of training for a therapist to master the

direct moxibustion techniques, but it is much more effective than indirect

moxibustion. "

 

In a very detailed review, " MOXIBUSTION: Practical Considerations for

Modern Use of an Ancient Technique " [ www.itmonline.org/arts/moxibustion

], Subhuti Dharmananda said:

 

" [scarring / suppurative] moxa therapy is not discussed in any detail as part

of Western acupuncture training because it is not allowable in Western

practice. "

 

He cites a Chinese study:

 

" The authors suggested that indirect moxibustion was preferred by patients

over acupuncture because of lack of pain & discomfort (needling in Chinese

clinics is far more vigorous than in Western clinics). This is in contrast to

the

situation w direct moxibustion, which can be more painful than acupuncture;

the painful nature of usual direct moxibustion being mentioned in several

texts. "

 

Subhuti concludes his review as follows:

 

" It is difficult to know, based on the literature review, whether moxibustion is

more effective than acupuncture or other stimulus methods administered for

the same condition. In the absence of more detailed studies, moxa is

applied primarily on the basis of the Chinese traditional medical descriptions,

such as treating syndromes associated with cold, retention of food, spasms,

immune deficiency, and local stagnation of fluids with formation of masses.

Moxa may be utilized in some cases of heat syndromes. "

 

So, taking the data above into consideration, and apart from local / state

legislation on the topic, where does the profession stand on the justification

(or otherwise) of using direct moxibustion in clinical practice?

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear ,

Your inquiry about direct moxibustion (DM) raised some excellent

questions.

 

Some thirty years ago I received training from Dr. James Tin Yau So,

who was a real master of DM. I went on to use DM in my acupuncture

practice, and the clinical results certainly appeared to justify its

use. (For example, in one case, a chest wall tumor the size of half a

grapefruit shrank away to nothing after several DM treatments.) My

patients accepted DM quite well. DM was within my legal scope of

practice, and was not prohibited by my state acupuncture association.

 

Nonetheless, it became clear to me that DM would soon become a lost

art in the US. This may be due in part to a widespread lack of good

training, exclusion from coverage by professional liability insurance

policies, and prohibition by integrative clinics. While far more

harmful interventions are accepted in biomedicine, DM remains

distanced due in some measure to its unfamiliarity. And a lack of

controlled research certainly sustains that unfamiliarity.

 

It is ironic to consider that DM may become so unfamiliar within our

own profession as to be considered for banishment. Particularly in a

profession that has not yet, at the national level, banned the re-use

of acupuncture needles. There are traditional techniques of imbedding

needles or metallic wires that also should be banned (as the fragments

don't stay put, and can cause serious medical harm). The harm of DM

scars is cosmetic, while the procedure itself is somewhat painful. DM

has indications and contraindications. DM requires skill, and can be

done well or poorly.

 

Is it ethical to use clinical techniques that lack formal research

justification? Sometimes, and yet not always, and certainly not

without discretion. Clinical advancements often push the envelope of

the known, and produce new questions for researchers. When I first

began learning traditional Oriental medicine, there were very few good

clinical studies of acupuncture available. But there was a tradition

(or more correctly, multiple traditions) that pointed out when and how

to proceed, and how not to proceed.

 

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique without adequate training in it?

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique without full informed

consent by the patient?

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique not within your legal scope

of practice?

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique prohibited by your

professional peers?

In ordinary circumstances, the answer is NO to each of these four

questions.

 

I would surmise that the mechanisms of action of DM are dissimilar to

indirect moxa, and dissimilar to acupuncture. The body seems to

respond disproportionately to a small third degree burn. The body also

seems to respond disproportionately (though in different ways) to the

stimulus of an acupuncture needle.

 

Best regards,

 

David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac.

Author, Quality in Complementary & Alternative Medicine

http://www.convergentmedical.com

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Dear ,

Your inquiry about direct moxibustion (DM) raised some excellent

questions.

 

Some thirty years ago I received training from Dr. James Tin Yau So,

who was a real master of DM. I went on to use DM in my acupuncture

practice, and the clinical results certainly appeared to justify its

use. (For example, in one case, a chest wall tumor the size of half a

grapefruit shrank away to nothing after several DM treatments.) My

patients accepted DM quite well. DM was within my legal scope of

practice, and was not prohibited by my state acupuncture association.

 

Nonetheless, it became clear to me that DM would soon become a lost

art in the US. This may be due in part to a widespread lack of good

training, exclusion from coverage by professional liability insurance

policies, and prohibition by integrative clinics. While far more

harmful interventions are accepted in biomedicine, DM remains

distanced due in some measure to its unfamiliarity. And a lack of

controlled research certainly sustains that unfamiliarity.

 

It is ironic to consider that DM may become so unfamiliar within our

own profession as to be considered for banishment. Particularly in a

profession that has not yet, at the national level, banned the re-use

of acupuncture needles. There are traditional techniques of imbedding

needles or metallic wires that also should be banned (as the fragments

don't stay put, and can cause serious medical harm). The harm of DM

scars is cosmetic, while the procedure itself is somewhat painful. DM

has indications and contraindications. DM requires skill, and can be

done well or poorly.

 

Is it ethical to use clinical techniques that lack formal research

justification? Sometimes, and yet not always, and certainly not

without discretion. Clinical advancements often push the envelope of

the known, and produce new questions for researchers. When I first

began learning traditional Oriental medicine, there were very few good

clinical studies of acupuncture available. But there was a tradition

(or more correctly, multiple traditions) that pointed out when and how

to proceed, and how not to proceed.

 

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique without adequate training in it?

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique without full informed

consent by the patient?

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique not within your legal scope

of practice?

Is it ethical to use a clinical technique prohibited by your

professional peers?

In ordinary circumstances, the answer is NO to each of these four

questions.

 

I would surmise that the mechanisms of action of DM are dissimilar to

indirect moxa, and dissimilar to acupuncture. The body seems to

respond disproportionately to a small third degree burn. The body also

seems to respond disproportionately (though in different ways) to the

stimulus of an acupuncture needle.

 

Best regards,

 

David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac.

Author, Quality in Complementary & Alternative Medicine

http://www.convergentmedical.com

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Well said, David, those that understand this technique should be

allowed to practice it, I think bleeding tech. is more barbaric, and

that has many applications in a modern clinic...

 

Chinese Medicine ,

" convergentmedical " <kailin wrote:

>

> Dear ,

> Your inquiry about direct moxibustion (DM) raised some excellent

> questions.

>

> Some thirty years ago I received training from Dr. James Tin Yau So,

> who was a real master of DM. I went on to use DM in my acupuncture

> practice, and the clinical results certainly appeared to justify its

> use. (For example, in one case, a chest wall tumor the size of half a

> grapefruit shrank away to nothing after several DM treatments.) My

> patients accepted DM quite well. DM was within my legal scope of

> practice, and was not prohibited by my state acupuncture association.

>

> Nonetheless, it became clear to me that DM would soon become a lost

> art in the US. This may be due in part to a widespread lack of good

> training, exclusion from coverage by professional liability insurance

> policies, and prohibition by integrative clinics. While far more

> harmful interventions are accepted in biomedicine, DM remains

> distanced due in some measure to its unfamiliarity. And a lack of

> controlled research certainly sustains that unfamiliarity.

>

> It is ironic to consider that DM may become so unfamiliar within our

> own profession as to be considered for banishment. Particularly in a

> profession that has not yet, at the national level, banned the re-use

> of acupuncture needles. There are traditional techniques of imbedding

> needles or metallic wires that also should be banned (as the fragments

> don't stay put, and can cause serious medical harm). The harm of DM

> scars is cosmetic, while the procedure itself is somewhat painful. DM

> has indications and contraindications. DM requires skill, and can be

> done well or poorly.

>

> Is it ethical to use clinical techniques that lack formal research

> justification? Sometimes, and yet not always, and certainly not

> without discretion. Clinical advancements often push the envelope of

> the known, and produce new questions for researchers. When I first

> began learning traditional Oriental medicine, there were very few good

> clinical studies of acupuncture available. But there was a tradition

> (or more correctly, multiple traditions) that pointed out when and how

> to proceed, and how not to proceed.

>

> Is it ethical to use a clinical technique without adequate training

in it?

> Is it ethical to use a clinical technique without full informed

> consent by the patient?

> Is it ethical to use a clinical technique not within your legal scope

> of practice?

> Is it ethical to use a clinical technique prohibited by your

> professional peers?

> In ordinary circumstances, the answer is NO to each of these four

> questions.

>

> I would surmise that the mechanisms of action of DM are dissimilar to

> indirect moxa, and dissimilar to acupuncture. The body seems to

> respond disproportionately to a small third degree burn. The body also

> seems to respond disproportionately (though in different ways) to the

> stimulus of an acupuncture needle.

>

> Best regards,

>

> David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac.

> Author, Quality in Complementary & Alternative Medicine

> http://www.convergentmedical.com

>

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Hi Phil,

 

Sorry to come late to the discussion. I haven't been here in a long

time. See below:

 

, " "

< wrote:

> Direct (scarring / suppurative) moxibustion does harm (admittedly

minor harm) in most cases.

>

> IMO, practitioners who to the ethic of " First Do No

Harm " , must

> question the use direct moxibustion, or at least reserve its use to

cases that

> have not responded to gentler methods.

 

If the amount of harm caused by direct moxa was considered too

excessive to be ethical, I am afraid Western medicine would be out of

business. Could they give an injection or draw blood without causing

harm? (Hollow needles cut, unlike acupuncture needles, and not every

blood draw or injection is necessary.) Could they burn off a wart?

Could they perform an elective operation? Could an infant be

circumsized? That certainly causes more harm than direct moxa, yet a

lot of people have it done. So many treatments of Western medicine

are un-gentle. Many have softer alternatives. Yet doctors and

patients still choose them, with or without evidence.

 

Harm and discomfort are not the same thing. Your body is amazing at

healing itself. Sometimes you need to trigger its healing mechanism.

Moxa can be like an alarm clock, waking up your immune system for

example (studies show it greatly increases the WBC). Yet no one likes

the alarm clock; it is more pleasant to stay asleep.

 

As for the question of research... my personal opinion is that you

cannot trust it anyway. How many drugs are researched and yet taken

off the market for safety or lack of efficacy a few years later?

Then, there are studies in Asian journals regarding moxibustion, but

Western doctors don't trust them, and who has the money to design a

decent study with a lot of patients in the US?

 

I have not seen a study comparing the efficacy of direct to indirect

moxa. I agree that would be interesting. However there is lots of

research on moxa versus western meds in various conditions, moxa

versus acupuncture, moxa versus TDP lamp, etc.

 

There are also studies that show moxa tar and moxa smoke have certain

effects. There are studies that show burning mugwort has different

characteristics than burning tobacco or other things. I have a big

stack of research... but I have more faith in the classics of our

medicine than the research.

 

Sun Simiao, Zhang Jiebin, and Yang Jizhou all discussed the

importance of moxa sores. These guys are the rock stars of our

medicine. Direct moxa was the norm for doctors since the beginning of

time. Since Ge Hong, indirect moxa has also been used. The moxa roll

was invented in the Ming dynasty, but at that time was reserved for

certain specific conditions.

 

It comes down to a question of dosage. If the dosage of moxibustion

is insufficient, the treatment will not be very effective.

 

Last weekend I went to a seminar in Berkeley on Japanese style direct

moxibustion, taught by Junji Mizutani. It was fantastic! He almost

always uses direct moxibustion, and does cause a minor burn, but it

is almsot painless. You do not need to make a big sore to get

results. You do not need to make a lot of pain. What you need is

practice and skill. If you have confidence, most patients will accept

it.

 

Anyway, I will take a moment for a little shameless self-promotion.

My book, Moxibustion: the Power of Mugwort Fire will be available in

May from Blue Poppy. I translate the writings of three Ming dynasty

doctors on moxibustion: Li Shizhen, Yang Jizhou, and Zhang Jiebin. I

also discuss a lot of history and background. It des not include

modern research... but it tells you what the rock stars of our

medicine said 400 years ago.

 

Phil, I hope you don't feel I am being argumentative. I am

passionate, but you are welcome to disagree. I do not mean to

challenge you, just to express a strong opinion.

 

Lorraine

 

Lorraine Wilcox Ph.D., L.Ac.

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Hi Turiya,

 

Not the first book because that was already at the printer before I

took Mizutani Sensei's class. However, it will influence anything I

write in the future.

 

He seems to give this seminar periodically at different schools. If

you have a chance, I highly recommend it.

 

He lives in Vancouver Canada now.

 

Lorraine

 

Lorraine Wilcox Ph.D., L.Ac.

 

, " turiyahill " <turiya

wrote:

> Will your book cover any of Mizutani's teachings and

techniques?--

>

> Turiya Hill, L.Ac.

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Turiya,

 

You can get Mizutani's moxibustion book and DVD at:

 

http://najom.org/product.html

 

I'm looking forward to Lorraine's book also.

 

K.

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM, turiyahill <turiya wrote:

 

>

>

> Lorraine

> Will your book cover any of Mizutani's teachings and techniques?--

>

> Turiya Hill, L.Ac.

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

aka Mu bong Lim

Father of Bhakti

 

The Four Reliances:

Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

meaning that underlies them.

Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

rely upon the definitive meaning.

And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

 

 

 

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If you ever get the chance to take one of Mizutani's classes - I would

highly recommend it. The DVD sounds like a good start, but it's

helpful to feel what properly rolled moxa feels like. We covered

direct moxa in school very briefly and were basically told that 'white

people can't tolerate it and will sue you'. A Japanese style

practitioner friend of mine dragged me to one of Mizutani's classes

and there was a lot to learn. For instance, he told us that fair

skinned people were generally harder to scar than those with dark skin

(and you see it with black patients who tend to develop keloid scars

more than white patients) - and following his techniques, there is a

minimal amount of pain involved with rice-grain moxa. He was the

first person who told us not to worry about doing the direct moxa on

our patients. I don't understand his point selection system, but it's

easy to use whatever system you like and apply the physical moxa

techniques.

 

Geoff

 

 

, " "

<johnkokko wrote:

>

> Turiya,

>

> You can get Mizutani's moxibustion book and DVD at:

>

> http://najom.org/product.html

>

> I'm looking forward to Lorraine's book also.

>

> K.

>

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