laser info

[Guest guest]

Someone asked about this, and I thought it might be useful for the

healing community here at large.

The 'nose laser' info can be found in this translated page

http://www.laserbloodcleaner.com/mini_slt.html

but it's better if you or someone can go to china and get them yourself.

The most common laser for points are actually the power and frequency

of the red laser pointers that can be had in any dollar store, tho the

more quality (coherent beam) and power (between 3 and 5 milliwatts)

you can spend more money for, if you can't make them.

Really good blue and green laser led's can cost up to $100, and they

vibrate at their own manufactured frequency, so a direct replacement

in a circuit that powers a red laser led is often no problem, unlike

the older gas lasers. But as in light/color therapy or to a less

extant, rife therapy which seems pretty mapped out, we're still at the

frontier as far as treatment plan protocol is concerned. Play with the

lasers, play with the herbs.

[Guest guest]

Just to add my bit to this concerning the red and green lasers.

The " Dollar Store " versions may be fine for some and for short term

use, but frequency and reliability are a concern for someone trying to

effect healing with consistency and integrity.

 

Red lasers of 635 nm and green lasers of 530 nm work the best and

should be at the 5 milliwatt range for best effect. Dosage is

important (i.e. time/intensity at site)as is point location for any

specific treatment.

 

Excellent Low Level Lasers may be found in the $50 (US) range.

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Bill, I have no argument at all with what you have said here. It's

very encouraging, accurate and empowering.

Chinese Medicine , " William Morse,

D.C., FIACA " <dokkabill wrote:

>

> Just to add my bit to this concerning the red and green lasers.

> The " Dollar Store " versions may be fine for some and for short term

> use, but frequency and reliability are a concern for someone trying to

> effect healing with consistency and integrity.

>

> Red lasers of 635 nm and green lasers of 530 nm work the best and

> should be at the 5 milliwatt range for best effect. Dosage is

> important (i.e. time/intensity at site)as is point location for any

> specific treatment.

>

> Excellent Low Level Lasers may be found in the $50 (US) range.

>

> Bill

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill:

 

Had to smile when I read the referenced article.

Nothing like the good ol' lumbar roll, eh?

 

Couple of thoughts here. I have often found the

ileolumbar ligament to be a prime culprit in chronic

LBP. Do you ever needle the attachment on the iliac

crest as well? I frequently thread a longer needle

through those attachments (Yaoyan area).

 

Where do you buy your lasers and what is your protocol

for using them or for the patient's home care? Most

information I have read indicates a treatment time of

3min/point for something around 5mW. I personally

found compliance very low with anyone having to hold a

laser pen for up to 30 min.

 

Thanks for any information you can share.

 

Kay King, DC, LAc

[Guest guest]

Morning Kay:

 

Sorry to get back so late as I've been out of town. Regarding

lasers, I buy them direct from Product Solutions.

 

You may note most literature quotes the work of Margaret Naeser who

had done a great deal of research on lasers and carpel tunnel. She

proports the " dose duration " method which is based on physical

properties of tissue penetration. My work is based on clinical

experience and the " optic " nature of acupoints and meridians. One

need only use the laser at GV 26 for vertigo, GV 23 for sinus pain or

the Tsing points for channel balance and clarity - all of which show

benefit within seconds - to see that there is more going on than

tissue penetration. Or for the really doubtful, try the green lasers

on simple skin wounds!

 

Finding the " active " acupoint and/or meridian and utilizing the

proper freqency seems to be more important.

 

So, my treatment is based on points not time, however I always treat

at least 20 to 30 seconds, longer if there is an appreciable effect.

I really try to " peel the onion " so to speak and find the 3 or 4 most

effective points for home therapy.

 

I also primarily treat with needles, secondarily with lasers.

Actually, that's not always true. I recently split open my upper lip

(fell off a ladder!)requiring 3 or 4 stiches. I used laser and

trusty Arnica Montana and there has been no appreciable pain,

swelling or induration. The MD wanted to take the stiches out after

2 days (should have been a week) as he thought I'd been in the week

before! Needless to say, he was shocked.

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply, Bill.

 

This brief discussion has awakened my interest in

lasers. " They " tried to breed my Western training out

of me in acupuncture school, but it didn't work.

Needless to say, I haven't heard the word " laser "

since I left practice and went back to school.

 

I'm not sure that this topic is of interest to others,

so with your permission, I'm going to contact you

off-list for a bit more discussion.

 

Kay