Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi John & All, > Hong Jing Tian is Rhodiola kirilowii. Does anyone know how this > compares to Rhodiola rosea? K. John, my notes disagree with that. A search today of Chinese WWW pages said that: (1) R rosea is Hongjingtian / Qiangwei Hongjingtian / Meigui Hongjingtian / Xiaoye Hongjingtian; in Tibet it is called Saoluoma'erbu and (2) R kirilowii is Xiaye Hongjingtian / Kuanxiaye Hongjingtian I have not enough data yet as to whether or not there are major differences in the actions & uses of R rosea v R kirilowii. However, a preliminary search suggests that both Spp share similar actions and uses but differ in others. SUMMARY details for Rhodiola rosea (apologies for partial editing): PINYIN NAME: Hongjingtian; Dahongqi; Daheqi; ??Guijiu; [Tibetan name: Caoluoma'erbu / Suoluomabo]; Gaoshanhongjingtian (Alpine Rhodiola); Kuyehingjingtian (Sakhalin Rhodiola); Dahuahongjingtian (R crenulata); Yunnanhongjingtian (R yunnanensis); Changbianhongjingtian (R fastigiata); Siliehongjingtian (R quadrifida); Hushenghongjingtian (R alterna); LATIN NAME: Rx / Hb Rhodiolae roseae / sachalinensis / crenulata / yunnanensis / fastigiata / quadrifida / alterna; (Rhodeola is Typo) ENGLISH NAME: Rhodiola Rx / Hb; Alpine / Sakhalin Rhodiola Rx / Hb; Arctic Rose Rx; Golden Rx; Plateau Ginseng; NOTE: Rhodiola rosea Rx (Russian) has most research; " Rhodiola spp / Tibetan / Chinese / Indian Rhodiola " may NOT be Rhodiola rosea Rx; Crassulaceae; Red- spotted Stonecrop family (Hongjingtianke / Jingtianke); Medicinal parts: Mainly Rx & stolon / runners (Gen He Genjing); ACTIVE AGENTS: has rhodiolo-siderosavins, oligoglycosides, cyanoglycosides (rhodiocyanosides A & B); tyrosol, daucosterol, lotaustralin, salidroside, pyrogallol, gallic acid & beta- sitosterol, delta 1-isopentenyl-3-O-beta-D-glucopyranoside crenulatin; Phenylpropanoid Glycosides; Terpene hydrocarbons & alcohols, straight chain aliphatic alcohols & aromatic volatiles; rosiridin; tyrosol (1), salidroside (rhodioloside) (2), rosin (3), rosarin (4), rosavin (5), sachaliside 1 (6) & 4-methoxy-cinnamyl-O- beta-D-glucopyranoside (7), four compounds were isolated from aqueous methanol extract of plant & identified as cinnamyl- (6'-O-beta- xylopyranosyl)-O-beta-glucopyranoside (8), 4-methoxy-cinnamyl- (6'-O- alpha-arabinopyranosyl)-O-beta-glucopyranoside (9), picein (10) & benzyl-O-beta-glucopyranoside (11); Rx extract should have >0.8% salidroside & >3% rosavin; Phenylpropanoids: rosavin, rosin, rosarin (specific to R; rosea; Phenylethanol derivatives: salidroside (rhodioloside), tyrosol; Flavanoids: rodiolin, rodionin, rodiosin, acetylrodalgin, tricin; Monoterpernes: rosiridol, rosaridin; Triterpenes: daucosterol, beta-sitosterol; Phenolic acids: chlorogenic & hydroxycinnamic, gallic acids; three cinnamyl alcohol- vicianosides - rosavin, rosin & rosarin - that are specific to this species.28, 29 term rosavins can be used to include rosavin, rosin & rosarin; cinnamol alcohol glycosides, esp ROSAVIN - cinnamyl-O- (6-O- L-arabinopyranosyl-D-glucopyranosid) & SALIDROSIDE; good extract should contain >2.5% rosavin & >1% salidroside; in one test, Russian product had twice potency of Chinese product; Rhodoiola polysaccharides (Hongjingtian Duotang) are Hypoglycaemic & Antidiabetic in diabetes Type II; NATURE: Cold / Even; Non-TOXIC; non-addictive; Sweet; Astringent; CHANNELS: LU DOSE: As Dec: 3-9g; As Topical: pulped fresh Hb / powdered Hb, applied qs; Mill 30g Rx in a coffee-grinder to <5mm; add 150ml of light spirits (30-40%), agitate & steep 3-5 days at room temperature; Separate & filter extract; Take 1 / 2tsp TID; As Tea: cut 5g Rx finely; Add to 1 cup of boiling water & brew for >4h; filter; take 1 / 5 cup 3-5 times / d; dilute w juice / herbal tea for better taste; Standard extract, as Pills: 100-600 mg / d; best absorbed when taken 30mins before meal / take 1h before Physical / sexual / mental activity; As Tincture 1 drop = 10-15mg extract; dose 10-40 drops / d (= 100-600mg extract / d) but 10-20 drops / d (= 100-300mg extract / d) are more usual; may lose effect on mental / Physical stamina after 6 weeks; Extract now standardised for >3% rosavins & >0.8% salidroside; 100-300mg / d; Higher doses are Calming; as Tonic / stimulant, take for 10-20 days; in psychiatric DysFxs w fatigue, take 2-4 times usual dose for 1-2 months; tincture: CNS effects: small & medium doses simulate norepinephrine (NE), dopamine (DA), serotonin (5-HT) & nicotinic cholinergic effects in CNS & increase permeability of blood Brain barrier to precursors of DA & 5-HT; medium doses, unlike tranquillisers, Aid development of conditioned AVOIDance reflexes & Aid learning; large doses sedate ACTIONS: Tone Xue in anaemia; Quicken Xue; Haemostat; Adaptagen / Antistress (CNS Stimulant & Calmative); Antioxidant; Antihypoxic; Resist altitude sickness; Resist Cold (Diyu Hanleng); Clear Heat + Toxin; Antipyretic (Jiere); Clear LU & Ease Cough (Qingfei Zhike); Moisten LU; Ease Leucorrhoea; Normalise neural / brain Fxs; Normalise WBC; Normalise BP; Hypotensor / Hypertensor in hypertension / hypotension linked to diabetes mellitus and associated cardiovascular diseases; Tonic** in asthenia; Tone Qi & Nourish Xue (Buqi Yangxue); Antifatigue (Kang Pilao); Dispel Fatigue (Xiaochu Pilao); boost endurance; Calm Shen; Antidepression, Antiageing (Kang Shuailao); boost longevity; Protect Hair (Antialopecia) (Gufa); Build Resistence & Guard Body (Fuzheng Guti); Build Resistence & Protect Root (Fuzheng Guben); Nourish Happiness & Build Physique (Zizhi Qiangzhuang), Immunostimulant; Strengthen Immunity (Zengqian Mianyi Zuoyong) better than Ginseng by two-times (Qiangyu Renshende Erbei) but wo side effect of feeling Hot & dry; Antivirus (Kang Bingdu); Anticancer; Cancer-support (during chemotherapy / radiotherapy); Brain / Neuro- Protector; correct brain ischaemia reperfusion injury (Dui Naoquexue Zaiguanzhu Sunshang); Antidiabetes Type II w minimal side-effects, like abdominal distention, flatulence, meteorism + / - diarrhea dt excessive inhibition of pancreatic -amylase that causes abnormal bacterial fermentation of undigested carbohydrates in LI; Hypoxia causes many diseases; Rx Rhodiolae can decrease oxygen consumption of body, Promote tolerance of cerebral tissues to iron-deficiency hypoxia & Strengthen resistance of HT muscles to hypoxia; Boost attention & memory; Strengthen brain & Aid Intellect; raise working efficiency of brain & whole body & hence reduce error probability of working; (3) Support Chemotherapy; Antiradiation, Anticarcinogen & Anticancer; increase WBCs during chemotherapy; (4) Activate SI-LI peristalsis; Aid Digestion; Ease Constipation; Ease Asthma**@ bronchial; (5) Endocrine Effects: activate pituitary & cerebral Fxs; stimulate ovary, Strengthen fertilized ovum implantation; stimulating female sexual functions; USES: Chronic Stress Patterns (fibromyalgia, fatigue~ chronic; stress DysFx after trauma); physical / mental stress (astronauts, pilots, submariners, miners, soldiers in battle, athletes, workaholics, etc); Xu / debility, asthenia w fatigue / low activity (Physical / sexual / mental); stamina~ low; Stress~ physical; altitude sickness; Cold / hypothermia; frostbite; fatigue after Physical / intellectual strain; poor health; endurance poor~ Physical / mental; sports performance~ poor; aviation & space medicine (Antistress to Boost Physical & Mental performance); fatigue; weakness dt old age / postpartum / post surgery / convalescence w Qixu / Yinxu / Dual Qixu & Yinxu; Neurasthenia = mental / physical fatigue / exhaustion after minor mental effort / persistent & distressing feelings of fatigue after minor work effort w one / more of following symptoms: muscle aches / pains, vertigo, tension headache, stress~ mental; agitation, sleep disturbance, insomnia, Anxiety, inability to relax & Vexation / Irritability, inability to recover through rest, relaxation / enjoyment; wo presence of organic mental DysFxs; high dose Antipsychotics over many years in schizophrenics may affect dopaminergic basal ganglia nerves (same nerves are damaged in Parkinson's Disease; their compromise induces " Parkinsonian symptoms " , incl stiffness, tremors, bradykinesia, etc; Anticholinergics incl R; rosea relieve these Antipsychotic-induced symptoms; distractibility, affective DysFxs; panic; mental & neuro- motoric DysFx; mood swings; hysteria, insomnia, cognitive sluggishness; psychiatric DysFx; psychic fatigue; anxiety~ situational; depression, mental & Physical fatigue (secondary to psychiatric & medical conditions); memory loss & cognitive DysFx; DysFxs of memory & cognition, mental dullness; confusion; concentration~ poor; memory loss; ADD; dual action of cognitive stimulation & emotional Calming creates Aid for both immediate cognitive & memory performance & for long-term preservation of Brain Fxs; Nootropic (substance like Renshen to Boost cognition, protect Brain & have low poisoning & few side effects) Boost learning & memory & increase 5-HT levels in frontal cerebral cortex; Agents that block Ach suppress activity of ascending pathways & interfere w memory; R; rosea reverses Ach blockade; neurological / nervous system DysFxs; brain diseases; Brain trauma, ageing~ premature; Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease; CVA / stroke~ brain lesions~ after trauma & vascular; hearing poor; Eyesight poor; KI Xu w sexual DysFx, sexual weakness, impotence, female leucorrhoea (Funu Baidai), menopausal-related DysFxs, oedema of limbs;; Erection~ DysFx, ejaculation~ premature urinary incontinence; spermatorrhoea, leukorrhoea, Amenorrhoea; endocrine DysFxs (infertility, premenstrual DysFx, menopause), sexual DysFx; Rhodiola Extract (150mg / d); tooth / gum / odontogenic inflammatory diseases; periodontosis; LV~ hepatitis; toxins / inTOXICations (all kinds: CytoTOXIC Chemotherapy, chemical toxins, alcohol, drugs, etc); diabetes; glycaemia~ unstable; Obesity; hyperlipaemia; hypercholesterolaemia; cancer~ LV / LU / BL carcinoma; radiation sickness; CytoTOXIC Chemotherapy sickness; Boost adrimycin effect in LV carcinoma; Boost Anticancer effects of cyclophosphamide, rubomycin & adriamycin, w less side effects; Antidote to rubomycin poisoning on SI; rhodiola (paratyrosol) w Huangqin (baicalin) & Gancao (glycyrram) Boost Anticancer & Antimetastatic effects of cyclophosphamide in LU carcinoma; exposure to EMFs (from high-tension cables, computers, electrical equipment, cell-phones, etc); TB; toxins & inTOXICation (all kinds); Xuexu; Anaemia; HT DysFx; senile HT failure; HT~ CHD; HT~ ischaemai; HT damage~ stress-induced (adrenergic); stress w HT~ arrhythmia adrenergic; opioid dependent); hypertension, headache; Xueyu; circulation~ poor; Anorexia; appetite poor, weight loss; ST-SI-LI ailments & infections, hernia; muscle weakness; haaemorrhoid, constipation; LU Xu; asthma; epidemic diseases, Cold & flu-like symptoms, esp in severe winters w fever, headache, pneumonia w cough (Feiyan Kesou), Haemoptysis (Kexue), ??Spitting Blood (Kaxue); pain; scurvy, somatic illnesses; infectious diseases; inflammation; As Topical for trauma & fractures (Dieda Sunshang) & scalds / burns (Tanghuo Shang); Skin ulcers, sores; Aid tissue repair / regrowth after wounds / surgery COMBINATIONS: (1) in " Si Lie Hongjingtian " (Jap: Shi retsu kou kei ten) NOTES: R rosea is a rare sacred Hb of Tibet; in mountains of Siberia, China, Tibet & other countries; Phytoestrogen (isoflavone, lignan) may have Antiestrogenic effects; their intake was related inversely to risk of endometrial cancer, esp after menopause; Safe; poisoning 5-times less than that of Renshen; no known CI / interactions w other drugs / herbs; did not Reduce mania & may worsen paranoia; poisoning very low; estimated LD50 is circa 235g for 70kg man; No Adverse Reactions / drug interactions reported; few side effects; Occasional hypertension; some people, esp anxious ones may feel overly activated, jittery / agitated; Reduce dose for those; CI: excited states / bipolar DysFx w manic tendency if given Antidepressions / stimulants; may be synergistic w other stimulants; CAUTION in pregnancy & lactation There are dozens of other Rhodiola spp, incl R kirilowii & R brevipetiolata; most research is done on R Rosea (Russian) Rhodiola rosea Rx / Rz; Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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