Achy Spleen 21

[Guest guest]

I have an interesting case, and was wondering if any of you had

experienced this type of thing:

Woman early 50s.

Torn ligament in hip flexor area - non surgical = chronic pain.

During acupuncture treatments I will often treat the Spleen channel on

the affected leg. This invariably will cause an aching sensation at

the opposite side Sp21. I have used moxa on Sp21 with no real affect.

Other than Sp xu - any observations/insights? Also, her pain is

relieved with treatments only to return a week or so later.

Thanks,

Jfritz

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

What about the Gall Bladder or Liver channels?

 

Artemis

 

 

 

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pitgyrl

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:03 AM

Achy Spleen 21

 

 

I have an interesting case, and was wondering if any of you had experienced

this type of thing:

Woman early 50s.

Torn ligament in hip flexor area - non surgical = chronic pain.

[Guest guest]

Use Ashi points on Lu or H ch's to balance Sp, and treat before the pain returns

( the interval between Tx's with appropriate point selection should increase)

 

 

pitgyrl <pitgyrl

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:03:41 AM

Achy Spleen 21

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have an interesting case, and was wondering if any of you had

 

experienced this type of thing:

 

Woman early 50s.

 

Torn ligament in hip flexor area - non surgical = chronic pain.

 

During acupuncture treatments I will often treat the Spleen channel on

 

the affected leg. This invariably will cause an aching sensation at

 

the opposite side Sp21. I have used moxa on Sp21 with no real affect.

 

Other than Sp xu - any observations/ insights? Also, her pain is

 

relieved with treatments only to return a week or so later.

 

Thanks,

 

Jfritz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Just a thought--

 

Have you considered treating Sp-21 as the Great Luo of the Spleen, ie

bleeding or plum-blossom? As you probably know, the symptom of

fullness of the Great Luo of the SP is pain all over the body, so

you'd want to drain traditionally with plum blossom/bleeding rather

than tonify with moxa. Since the luos deal with blood and mental

emotional issues, and this person is around the time of menopause, and

Sp 21 is reactive to your treatments of the SP channel, it may be

useful to explore issues of life pain in addition to localized

physical pain. Also maybe useful to look for other full luo channels

(spider veins or varicese) and drain those, as well as considering

working with muscle channels.

 

Jim

 

Chinese Medicine , " pitgyrl "

<pitgyrl wrote:

>

> I have an interesting case, and was wondering if any of you had

> experienced this type of thing:

> Woman early 50s.

> Torn ligament in hip flexor area - non surgical = chronic pain.

> During acupuncture treatments I will often treat the Spleen channel on

> the affected leg. This invariably will cause an aching sensation at

> the opposite side Sp21. I have used moxa on Sp21 with no real affect.

> Other than Sp xu - any observations/insights? Also, her pain is

> relieved with treatments only to return a week or so later.

> Thanks,

> Jfritz

>

[Guest guest]

This is a tough one based on your information. Really don't have

enough, but here go my thoughts anyway!!!

 

My first thought: " Opposite side " , what's that telling me? What

relationship crosses the body? Liver? Relationships: Liver/Spleen. I

have had great success with ligamentous type injury by treating

appropriate Gallbladder points using " opposites rule " (I suggest GB 37

for this person - Lou connecting point!).

 

Second thought: Trauma? What kind? When?

 

Third Thought: Pulses? Tongue? What else is going on?

 

Fourth Thought: Female, perimenopausal? Hormones out of balance?

How's her lower burner? Hip flexor trauma? Leg out of balance? What

else is " out of balance " .

 

Might not mean much, but this is how I think. Good luck,

 

Bill

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " pitgyrl "

<pitgyrl wrote:

>

> I have an interesting case, and was wondering if any of you had

> experienced this type of thing:

> Woman early 50s.

> Torn ligament in hip flexor area - non surgical = chronic pain.

> During acupuncture treatments I will often treat the Spleen channel on

> the affected leg. This invariably will cause an aching sensation at

> the opposite side Sp21. I have used moxa on Sp21 with no real affect.

> Other than Sp xu - any observations/insights? Also, her pain is

> relieved with treatments only to return a week or so later.

> Thanks,

> Jfritz

>

[Guest guest]

Muscle Channels! Dang Jim, that's a very good thought!

 

Bill

 

 

 

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Chinese Medicine , " acupuncturedaddy "

<acupuncturedaddy wrote:

>

> Just a thought--

>

> Have you considered treating Sp-21 as the Great Luo of the Spleen,

ie

> bleeding or plum-blossom? As you probably know, the symptom of

> fullness of the Great Luo of the SP is pain all over the body, so

> you'd want to drain traditionally with plum blossom/bleeding rather

> than tonify with moxa. Since the luos deal with blood and mental

> emotional issues, and this person is around the time of menopause,

and

> Sp 21 is reactive to your treatments of the SP channel, it may be

> useful to explore issues of life pain in addition to localized

> physical pain. Also maybe useful to look for other full luo

channels

> (spider veins or varicese) and drain those, as well as considering

> working with muscle channels.

>

> Jim

>

> Chinese Medicine , " pitgyrl "

> <pitgyrl@> wrote:

> >

> > I have an interesting case, and was wondering if any of you had

> > experienced this type of thing:

> > Woman early 50s.

> > Torn ligament in hip flexor area - non surgical = chronic pain.

> > During acupuncture treatments I will often treat the Spleen

channel on

> > the affected leg. This invariably will cause an aching sensation

at

> > the opposite side Sp21. I have used moxa on Sp21 with no real

affect.

> > Other than Sp xu - any observations/insights? Also, her pain is

> > relieved with treatments only to return a week or so later.

> > Thanks,

> > Jfritz

> >

>