Please share your experience with and opinion about NAET?

[Guest guest]

Hi, I am new to the board. I joined to be better connected to other

members of the profession. I am considering becoming certified in

NAET, but am uncomfortable with the paucity of research to support it.

Please share your clinical experiences with NAET and your overall

opinion of it. Is it for real? Or is it a waste of time and money?

How has it affected your practice? I have heard great things and read

some bad things, so I am uncertain about what I should do. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

I am a licensed acupuncturist in CA, and I did an internship with a practitioner

who used

NAET protocol. I was very skeptical at first, especially after watching how it

was done... it

just seemed too far fetched for me... to much like voodoo science... until I had

it done. I

was having low abdominal pains at the time, and so she did some muscle testing

on me.

There was no rational explanation as to why my muscle resistance decreased when

in

contact with the allergen. She treated me sucessfully for several substances

with

acupuncture and diet, and I got better almost immediately! I would say, go for

it. It was

also somewhat of a niche for her, since not too many people know how to do it.

 

marie seoich LAc

 

Chinese Medicine , " dbjoneslac "

<dbjoneslac

wrote:

>

> Hi, I am new to the board. I joined to be better connected to other

> members of the profession. I am considering becoming certified in

> NAET, but am uncomfortable with the paucity of research to support it.

> Please share your clinical experiences with NAET and your overall

> opinion of it. Is it for real? Or is it a waste of time and money?

> How has it affected your practice? I have heard great things and read

> some bad things, so I am uncertain about what I should do. Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

A rational explanation is that, as western science would agree, all matter has a

vibration, and as complex organisms, we have many different vibrations happening

at the same time, and these vibrations, to use a metaphor from music, make a

chord. If the peaks and valleys of the waves created by these vibrations match,

we have harmony, if they don't, discord. When we place an object in our hands,

the vibration can either resonate with our own " chords " and create further

" harmony " , or, if they are out of 'tune', cacophony, resulting in stronger or

weaker muscle strength, respectively.

 

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

 

shamanist1 <shamanist1

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:42:40 PM

Re: Please share your experience with and opinion about NAET?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am a licensed acupuncturist in CA, and I did an internship with a

practitioner who used

 

NAET protocol. I was very skeptical at first, especially after watching how it

was done... it

 

just seemed too far fetched for me... to much like voodoo science... until I had

it done. I

 

was having low abdominal pains at the time, and so she did some muscle testing

on me.

 

There was no rational explanation as to why my muscle resistance decreased when

in

 

contact with the allergen. She treated me sucessfully for several substances

with

 

acupuncture and diet, and I got better almost immediately! I would say, go for

it. It was

 

also somewhat of a niche for her, since not too many people know how to do it.

 

 

 

marie seoich LAc

 

 

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " dbjoneslac "

<dbjoneslac@ ...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> Hi, I am new to the board. I joined to be better connected to other

 

> members of the profession. I am considering becoming certified in

 

> NAET, but am uncomfortable with the paucity of research to support it.

 

> Please share your clinical experiences with NAET and your overall

 

> opinion of it. Is it for real? Or is it a waste of time and money?

 

> How has it affected your practice? I have heard great things and read

 

> some bad things, so I am uncertain about what I should do. Thanks!

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi DB Jones,

 

When I was a student, I had NAET acupuncture treatments regularly with one of my

teachers. I had great results for cat and dog allergies, but the results did

not last. I had treatments for 1 year, with a few short breaks here and there

- the benefits I received did not last more than a month without treatment. I

have heard this " short-term benefit " story also from many patients since my own

experience. On the other hand, I also know several acupuncturists who swear by

it.

 

 

 

dbjoneslac <dbjoneslac wrote: Hi, I am new to the board. I joined to

be better connected to other

members of the profession. I am considering becoming certified in

NAET, but am uncomfortable with the paucity of research to support it.

Please share your clinical experiences with NAET and your overall

opinion of it. Is it for real? Or is it a waste of time and money?

How has it affected your practice? I have heard great things and read

some bad things, so I am uncertain about what I should do. Thanks!

 

 

 

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The bottom line is that NAET is not from a Chinese medical source.

It is a modern technique based largely on muscle testing, and

therefore, in my opinion, should be classified as an experimental

technique. It is another symptom of the fact that we are still poorly

informed in the West about the depth of possibilities in Chinese

medicine, so we grasp at technique and point prescriptions to fill the

gaps.

 

An excellent new book is coming out next month through Eastland Press

that should help remedy the situation, called " Applied Channel Theory

in " , by Wang Juyi and Jason Robertson. It clearly

describes the channels and their connections to the internal viscera,

and their connection with palpation and pulse diagnosis. Having read

the manuscript, I consider the information within to be essential, and

amazingly not taught in English sources anywhere else. It is based

clearly on the Ling Shu and Nan Jing.

 

 

On Jan 20, 2008, at 9:33 PM, wrote:

 

> Hi DB Jones,

>

> When I was a student, I had NAET acupuncture treatments regularly

> with one of my teachers. I had great results for cat and dog

> allergies, but the results did not last. I had treatments for 1

> year, with a few short breaks here and there - the benefits I

> received did not last more than a month without treatment. I have

> heard this " short-term benefit " story also from many patients since

> my own experience. On the other hand, I also know several

> acupuncturists who swear by it.

>

>

>

> dbjoneslac <dbjoneslac wrote: Hi, I am new to the board.

> I joined to be better connected to other

> members of the profession. I am considering becoming certified in

> NAET, but am uncomfortable with the paucity of research to support it.

> Please share your clinical experiences with NAET and your overall

> opinion of it. Is it for real? Or is it a waste of time and money?

> How has it affected your practice? I have heard great things and read

> some bad things, so I am uncertain about what I should do. Thanks!

>

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[Guest guest]

I second the motion in recommending Dr. Wang's work. He has taught a

few times in our DAOM program and is always very informative.

 

Regarding NAET, I had two treatments from two different practitioners.

Neither had any effect at all on my pollen allergies. Chinese herbs

work much better. A friend also got a treatment from the same

practitioner as me. In her case, her allergies went away for a month

and then came back again.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

Chinese Medicine ,

<zrosenbe wrote:

>

> The bottom line is that NAET is not from a Chinese medical source.

> It is a modern technique based largely on muscle testing, and

> therefore, in my opinion, should be classified as an experimental

> technique. It is another symptom of the fact that we are still poorly

> informed in the West about the depth of possibilities in Chinese

> medicine, so we grasp at technique and point prescriptions to fill the

> gaps.

>

> An excellent new book is coming out next month through Eastland Press

> that should help remedy the situation, called " Applied Channel Theory

> in " , by Wang Juyi and Jason Robertson. It clearly

> describes the channels and their connections to the internal viscera,

> and their connection with palpation and pulse diagnosis. Having read

> the manuscript, I consider the information within to be essential, and

> amazingly not taught in English sources anywhere else. It is based

> clearly on the Ling Shu and Nan Jing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yep. NAET is interesting stuff. EFT may prove more

effective because, primarily, the patient learns to do

the technique themselves.

 

I used EFT for my asthma and got no results until I

learned how to apply the technique. In other words,

the " I totally love myself " mantra is nice, but often

more sophisticated approaches to the pattern are

necessary.

 

,

y.c.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

" Neither had any effect at all on my pollen allergies.

Chinese herbs work much better. "

 

I think this statement is a little overstated.

 

Lookie, NAET is a form of energy therapy. You've got

to be more precise in your thinking about what " works "

and doesn't " work. "

 

The case of the individual who had a NAET tx and it

" worked " for a month. Does this mean it didn't work.

When was the last time someone took one time Cang Er

Zi San and got a month's relief?

 

Secondly, NAET balances body energies to the

allergen(s). In one month's time could it be that the

allergen vectors had changed? Of course.

 

Finally, the body must be trained. Hyper-reactivity

is a message that is stored in body/cell memory. It

seems highly unlikely that body can get the message in

one or two tx.

 

Sounds like the folks who got " acupuncture " and it

didn't work.

 

Nothing works if you're lucky. We call it " nocebo "

ya?

 

y.c.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

What do you mean by 'energy therapy'?

 

 

On Jan 22, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Yangchu Higgins wrote:

 

> Lookie, NAET is a form of energy therapy. You've got

> to be more precise in your thinking about what " works "

> and doesn't " work. "

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In all fairness the quote is " someone took one time Cang Er

Zi San "

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

 

flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:25:40 PM

Re: Please share your experience with and opinion about NAET?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Yang:

 

 

 

If one is giving Cang Er Zi alone then this is not really a complete

 

level of practicing Chinese medicine. How about a good diagnosis, a

 

comprehensive treatment plan including diet, herbs, acupuncture, Qi

 

Gong, exercise, to me this is the way to treat allergies, asthma, etc.

 

 

 

regards,

 

david

 

 

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Yangchu Higgins

 

<ycmgh wrote:

 

>

 

> " Neither had any effect at all on my pollen allergies.

 

> Chinese herbs work much better. "

 

>

 

> I think this statement is a little overstated.

 

>

 

> Lookie, NAET is a form of energy therapy. You've got

 

> to be more precise in your thinking about what " works "

 

> and doesn't " work. "

 

>

 

> The case of the individual who had a NAET tx and it

 

> " worked " for a month. Does this mean it didn't work.

 

> When was the last time someone took one time Cang Er

 

> Zi San and got a month's relief?

 

>

 

> Secondly, NAET balances body energies to the

 

> allergen(s). In one month's time could it be that the

 

> allergen vectors had changed? Of course.

 

>

 

> Finally, the body must be trained. Hyper-reactivity

 

> is a message that is stored in body/cell memory. It

 

> seems highly unlikely that body can get the message in

 

> one or two tx.

 

>

 

> Sounds like the folks who got " acupuncture " and it

 

> didn't work.

 

>

 

> Nothing works if you're lucky. We call it " nocebo "

 

> ya?

 

>

 

> y.c.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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I am trained in and been treated by the following modalities, Naet, JMT,

Neurolink, Bioset, EFT and NMT. For durable long lasting results forget all the

rest except EFT and NMT. Emotional Freedom technique and Neuromodulation

technique. The others can't compare, Clarissa

 

Yangchu Higgins <ycmgh wrote: " Neither had any effect at all

on my pollen allergies.

Chinese herbs work much better. "

 

I think this statement is a little overstated.

 

Lookie, NAET is a form of energy therapy. You've got

to be more precise in your thinking about what " works "

and doesn't " work. "

 

The case of the individual who had a NAET tx and it

" worked " for a month. Does this mean it didn't work.

When was the last time someone took one time Cang Er

Zi San and got a month's relief?

 

Secondly, NAET balances body energies to the

allergen(s). In one month's time could it be that the

allergen vectors had changed? Of course.

 

Finally, the body must be trained. Hyper-reactivity

is a message that is stored in body/cell memory. It

seems highly unlikely that body can get the message in

one or two tx.

 

Sounds like the folks who got " acupuncture " and it

didn't work.

 

Nothing works if you're lucky. We call it " nocebo "

ya?

 

y.c.

 

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[Guest guest]

The post asked us to share our experience with NAET. That was my

experience, so there was no overstatement. It wasn't meant to be a

detailed analysis of NAET; just my personal experience. NAET had

absolutely no effect on my allergies. Chinese herbs always work on

them. It's as simple as that. I do believe that NAET had an effect on

my friend, albeit temporary. Whether repeated treatments would have

had a more lasting effect on her, I can't say.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

Chinese Medicine , Yangchu Higgins

<ycmgh wrote:

>

> " Neither had any effect at all on my pollen allergies.

> Chinese herbs work much better. "

>

> I think this statement is a little overstated.

>

> Lookie, NAET is a form of energy therapy. You've got

> to be more precise in your thinking about what " works "

> and doesn't " work. "

>

> The case of the individual who had a NAET tx and it

> " worked " for a month. Does this mean it didn't work.

> When was the last time someone took one time Cang Er

> Zi San and got a month's relief?

>

> Secondly, NAET balances body energies to the

> allergen(s). In one month's time could it be that the

> allergen vectors had changed? Of course.

>

> Finally, the body must be trained. Hyper-reactivity

> is a message that is stored in body/cell memory. It

> seems highly unlikely that body can get the message in

> one or two tx.

>

> Sounds like the folks who got " acupuncture " and it

> didn't work.

>

> Nothing works if you're lucky. We call it " nocebo "

> ya?

>

> y.c.

>

>

>

>

>

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This response is specific to the statement " Chinese

herbs are better. "

 

Certainly the sum of the " holistic " approach is

greater than any one modality.

 

I had a Chinese doc from Guang-zhou when I grew-up in

Fairfield, IA. I was treated for asthma in China at

the Sino-Japanese Hospital for about two months.

 

I've done herbs and been needled and have found some

very handy techniques and formulas for asthma.

 

It doesn't compare to the efficiency and effectiveness

of EFT, though bleeding cupping for severe wheezing...

yowzaa.

 

I know, I know, mind over matter blah, blah, blah.

Not convincing because somehow, I've no reason to

believe that I applied " mind " any less in the past.

 

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What do you mean by " more sophisticated approaches " ?

 

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>

> I used EFT for my asthma and got no results until I

> learned how to apply the technique. In other words,

> the " I totally love myself " mantra is nice, but often

> more sophisticated approaches to the pattern are

> necessary.

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> y.c.

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" sophisticated " here refers to EFT's name, which is

Emotional Freedom Techniques, plural. The basic

recipe is very helpful, but that's really just the

starting point.

 

There's a slew of free stuff on their site.

 

rock on.

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In my experience, different modalities work best for different individuals at

different times. In other words, what works for one person might not work for

same person next time around, nor for the next person... or it might! Because

of this, I don't believe there is only " one right way " or " one universal right

modality " . Aside from our basic similarities, we are always unique and always

changing. Whatever it is, that we each think is best, there's no need to be

dogmatic or defensive about it. What is best, seems to be highly individual and

changeable. This has continued to be my experience, both personal and with

patients, over the last 20 years.

 

 

 

Yangchu Higgins <ycmgh wrote: This response is specific to the

statement " Chinese

herbs are better. "

 

Certainly the sum of the " holistic " approach is

greater than any one modality.

 

I had a Chinese doc from Guang-zhou when I grew-up in

Fairfield, IA. I was treated for asthma in China at

the Sino-Japanese Hospital for about two months.

 

I've done herbs and been needled and have found some

very handy techniques and formulas for asthma.

 

It doesn't compare to the efficiency and effectiveness

of EFT, though bleeding cupping for severe wheezing...

yowzaa.

 

I know, I know, mind over matter blah, blah, blah.

Not convincing because somehow, I've no reason to

believe that I applied " mind " any less in the past.

 

y.c.

 

 

 

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Dear Clarissa,

 

I would tend to generally agree, and have been very impressed with results

using EFT. Years ago I was introduced to NAET, and consistantly found that the

results lasted until the first mini-trauma or crisis that the patient was

confronted and at longest, a month. I, too, learned Bioset, and felt that

Cutler's pushing enzymatic therapy as a complement to her desensitization was

just a bandaid. But I found that when I experimented and needled the points

instead of just massaging them, that the results dramatically changed for the

better, and seemed to be sustained. Then I added one other element: Using AK I

test the patient to determine if the desensitization will hold, and find that by

only desensitizing those foods and substances that test positively, my success

rate has been nearly 100%. Furthermore, as I have mentioned in previous posts,

I strongly feel that our medicines and therapies can actually change DNA. I

have found that as patients' health improves

and they become more balanced, that at a later time, I am able to successfully

desensitize them to substances that heretofore would not have been able to be

desensitized successfully.

 

BTW, could you tell me more about NeuroModulation Technique? Also, is anyone

in the group familiar with TAT, a self-help technique which combines gently

holding Yin Tang and GB 20, with some affirmation techniques?

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

Rissa Guest <rissaguest wrote:

I am trained in and been treated by the following modalities, Naet,

JMT, Neurolink, Bioset, EFT and NMT. For durable long lasting results forget all

the rest except EFT and NMT. Emotional Freedom technique and Neuromodulation

technique. The others can't compare, Clarissa

 

Yangchu Higgins <ycmgh wrote: " Neither had any effect at all on my

pollen allergies.

Chinese herbs work much better. "

 

I think this statement is a little overstated.

 

Lookie, NAET is a form of energy therapy. You've got

to be more precise in your thinking about what " works "

and doesn't " work. "

 

The case of the individual who had a NAET tx and it

" worked " for a month. Does this mean it didn't work.

When was the last time someone took one time Cang Er

Zi San and got a month's relief?

 

Secondly, NAET balances body energies to the

allergen(s). In one month's time could it be that the

allergen vectors had changed? Of course.

 

Finally, the body must be trained. Hyper-reactivity

is a message that is stored in body/cell memory. It

seems highly unlikely that body can get the message in

one or two tx.

 

Sounds like the folks who got " acupuncture " and it

didn't work.

 

Nothing works if you're lucky. We call it " nocebo "

ya?

 

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I didn't say that " Chinese herbs are better " . I said that they always

work in my case, while NAET didn't. I was simply sharing my

experience, not casting a vote for or against NAET.

 

- Bill

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Yangchu Higgins

<ycmgh wrote:

>

> This response is specific to the statement " Chinese

> herbs are better. "

>

> Certainly the sum of the " holistic " approach is

> greater than any one modality.

>

>

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I called a friend who practiced NAET for many years. He said that

there were some truly amazing turnarounds, but they were infrequent.

Here are his estimates on the efficacy of NAET in his practice:

 

" Maybe 5% clears resulted in what I would call allergy free

10-30% temporary relief

60-65 % questionable "

 

- Bill