scoliosis--anyone have exp treating child with this dx?

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,

 

I do have exp tx'g adult with severe scoliosis

that significantly impacts her life....

 

Would this young girl's parents bring her in for

tx with you? If she's not w/in reach of CM,

cranial osteopathy or craniosacral would be other

tx options.

 

In my ideal world, for " serious " scoliosis, I

would want to tx and have the child wear a brace

- it really isn't a body cast, but it is

restrictive. That combo would give her the best

prognosis. Surgery is left as a last resort by

conventional medicine anyway, for the most severe

curvatures and for braced patients whose

curvatures take a turn for the worse.

 

Joyce, would you be able to post alternative tx's

and links to add'l info here? I would certainly

like to to see this, also.

 

, I have a pt in here late 60's with severe

scoliosis and some kyphosis. I do not know the

numerical degree of curvature, but she is visibly

bent over. She walked with a cane until she

became O2-dependent 4 yrs ago then obtained a

4-wheeled walker to carry the small portable O2

tank. Now she would need the walker anyway. The

curvature interfere with digestion and furthering

impeding respiration. In some cases they

surgically [duh] remove floating ribs to make

room for more vital internal parts impeded by

spinal curvature.

 

For a number of yrs in the US, children are

frequently screened for scoliosis. Her

great-nephew was noted to have significant

scoliosis rather young. He brace faithfully but

in his early teens his curvature increased

dramatically. They've done surgery put a titanium

rod to prevent any future curvature. After

Recovery, he was admitted to ICU then later

transferred to a regular surgical floor.

 

The reason I am for the combined tx approach goes

beyond my basic let's take advantage of

everything available and not shun anthing is...

Severe Scoliosis is very serious disease with

life-altering and life-threatening ramifications.

Eventually, my pt's curvature will progress to

the point that she cannot always ambulate and her

bowels will NOT work. Believe me, acupuncture and

Chinese medicine aren't going to cure infrequent

but worse-than-annoying bouts of rectal

incontinence d/t her ribs pushing on her colon.

 

Lynn

 

- Joyce <joyces wrote:

 

> Hi .

> I may be able to give you some information

about alternative treatments for scoliosis, and

TCM, since I have researched the topic. In

general, the western approach at least in the

United States is that most curves that are

considered severe, (being over 60 degree curve),

require surgery; and curves that are between 20

and 60 usually are braced to stop the progression

of the curve. But there are different variables

to take into consideration. Have your friend

contact me if she would like some suggestions of

alternative treatments that may help. There is a

Japanese protocol by Kiiko for treating

scoliosis, but I believe that it has specifically

been indicated for smaller curves.

> Joyce Schwartz

> email: joyces

 

> -

>

> To:

Chinese Medicine

> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:03 PM

> scoliosis--anyone have

experience treating child with this dx?

>

> I am posting this for a friend who's 6.5 yo

niece was just diagnosed with severe scoliosis.

DO not know any more details than this. Anyone

out there have experience treating a child with

this, and what kind of success? We are wondering

what alternative therapies will best help this

little girl, as she is heading towards major

surgery or a body cast until age 18 yo at this

point.

>

 

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The issue of scoliosis also demands that a determination about cause be known.

For example, if this child has a structural curvature that is due to a vertebra

malformation (hemivertebra) you can work on this till the cows come home with no

change.

I suspect that this large curvature may be due to this type, which surgery

seems to be the only thing that is effective. A brace on these will only

increase pain levels and will not correct the problem. Hope this helps.

Sorry to hear about this type of problem in such a young one. Mike W. Bowser, L

Ac

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thankyou for your responses. I am in cali, and the little girl is in

kansas. I am just gathering info for the family. I have only seen pts in

midlife who suffer from scoliosis, not at the onset of it. I agree with

everything that's been shared so far!

 

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Acupuncture Clinic,

 

 

 

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Homeopathy could work on this case and if they wanted to try Chinese Herbs, than

the use of Epimedium Powder. The condition is a Jing Defeciency and from a

homeopthic perspective a syphlitic miasm.Sincerely,Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM

& Herbology

 

 

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naturaldoc1: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:37:34 +0000RE: TCM -

scoliosis--anyone have exp treating child with this dx?

 

 

 

 

The issue of scoliosis also demands that a determination about cause be

known.For example, if this child has a structural curvature that is due to a

vertebra malformation (hemivertebra) you can work on this till the cows come

home with no change. I suspect that this large curvature may be due to this

type, which surgeryseems to be the only thing that is effective. A brace on

these will onlyincrease pain levels and will not correct the problem. Hope this

helps. Sorry to hear about this type of problem in such a young one. Mike W.

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I humbly disagree. If the patient engages in a multi-disciplinary

treatment with alignment techniques as the primary form (ie. Egoscue

exercises), with Osteopathy (with someone trained in England or

British Columbia) in concert with Acupuncture and herbs, much can be

done. The difficulty is that it requires a great deal of time, and

there are few practitioners who can orchestrate such treatment

protocols, but it can be done, and if nothing else, the pain can be

significantly decreased.

Tymothy

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

> The issue of scoliosis also demands that a determination about cause

be known.

> For example, if this child has a structural curvature that is due to

a vertebra

> malformation (hemivertebra) you can work on this till the cows come

home with no change.

> I suspect that this large curvature may be due to this type, which

surgery

> seems to be the only thing that is effective. A brace on these will

only

> increase pain levels and will not correct the problem. Hope this

helps.

> Sorry to hear about this type of problem in such a young one. Mike

W. Bowser, L Ac

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Tymothy,

 

If a curve of such a degree is created it most likely is due to a major

structural

problem, ie a hemivertebra, which is triangular shaped. I would love to hear

that

someone has overcome this with the treatments we are discussing but I would not

hold my breath.

 

Are you saying you have direct experience with these methods

changing such a curvature?

 

The literature does not hold the same promise. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

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jellyphish: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:02:55 +0000Re:

scoliosis--anyone have exp treating child with this dx?

 

 

 

 

I humbly disagree. If the patient engages in a multi-disciplinarytreatment with

alignment techniques as the primary form (ie. Egoscueexercises), with Osteopathy

(with someone trained in England orBritish Columbia) in concert with Acupuncture

and herbs, much can bedone. The difficulty is that it requires a great deal of

time, andthere are few practitioners who can orchestrate such

treatmentprotocols, but it can be done, and if nothing else, the pain can

besignificantly decreased.Tymothy--- In

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser<naturaldoc1

wrote:>> The issue of scoliosis also demands that a determination about causebe

known.> For example, if this child has a structural curvature that is due toa

vertebra > malformation (hemivertebra) you can work on this till the cows

comehome with no change. > I suspect that this large curvature may be due to

this type, whichsurgery> seems to be the only thing that is effective. A brace

on these willonly> increase pain levels and will not correct the problem. Hope

thishelps. > Sorry to hear about this type of problem in such a young one.

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Do you have direct experience using Epimedium and Homeopathy to treat

a serious condition like severe scoliosis? Seems unlikely.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan

<coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

>

> Homeopathy could work on this case and if they wanted to try Chinese

Herbs, than the use of Epimedium Powder. The condition is a Jing

Defeciency and from a homeopthic perspective a syphlitic

miasm.Sincerely,Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also lets not forget pt with connective tissue disorders causing

scoliosis, many time time their curves become so extreme that surgery

is a must

alon

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

Do you have any knowledge that an extreme curve is due to ct more so then

a structural anomaly such as a hemivertebra?Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

: alonmarcus:

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:25:25 -0800Re: scoliosis--anyone have exp

treating child with this dx?

 

 

 

 

Also lets not forget pt with connective tissue disorders causing scoliosis, many

time time their curves become so extreme that surgery is a mustalon

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have used Reiki to reinflate collapsed lungs and have pre and post

radiographs, I have done reiki and had

atlanto occipital and axial luxations correct without doing the physical

manipulations. I have heard of Quantum Touch which I took a class in being able

to straighten spines........homeopathy has remedies specifically for spinal and

skeletal malformations which are reflective of syphilitic miasms and I have seen

cases of congenital bone problems correct with the use of Epimedium powder,

alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of this is the use of energetics. Energetic

medicine is the basis of TCM. Although I have zippo experience with severe

scoliosis with my veterinary patients I would not hesitate to use any of the

energetic medicines to treat. Fifteen years ago I left my unconscious western

mind and the field of conventional medicine because of a lack of healing,

obstacles to cure,side effects,palliation and defecient quality of life options

that were the norm using conventional medicine. I see this problem with a

paradigm shift out of the many limitations of conventional medicine. I am not

practicing on a human scoliosis patient but there are no differences when using

energetic medicine on the race or the breed or the genus of the patient. Since

this is a TCM group, I felt my input on the use of energetic medicine, Epimedium

powder were worth considering. They certainly would not generate the same

cost,the same fear of surgical complications or nervous system

impingement........etc, if the family was alert to the options for naturopathic

intervention and give this a chance, what would be the harm?Sincerely,Patricia

Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

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plantmed: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:02:49 +0000Re:

scoliosis--anyone have exp treating child with this dx?

 

 

 

 

Do you have direct experience using Epimedium and Homeopathy to treat a serious

condition like severe scoliosis? Seems unlikely.- Bill Schoenbart--- In

Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan

<coastalcatclinic wrote:>> > Homeopathy could work on this case and if they

wanted to try Chinese Herbs, than the use of Epimedium Powder. The condition is

a Jing Defeciency and from a homeopthic perspective a syphlitic

miasm.Sincerely,Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology> >

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all, as per below, and not necessarily directed at the original poster - any

chance you get, and I know it is more work and so on, but write up, document and

publish cases where there is dramatic success. It is important if you want to

help be able to define its own boundaries (i.e. not be

assimilated into " Intergrative Medicine practiced by MDs). Documentation is

essential.

Just a thought,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have used Reiki to reinflate collapsed lungs and have pre and post

radiographs, I have done reiki and

 

 

 

 

 

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