phantom limb pain/ dragons treatment

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Have you considered an external dragons treatment. I

also have a question to anyone in the group regarding

this. Do you locate the points with the patient

sitting up then have them lie down or while they are

prone? I have seen it done both ways and am always put

off by the change in point location. Is it more

important to get the right point location on the skin

or deeper?

--- Janis Egan <janis3934 wrote:

 

> Hi Nam,

>

> Thank you for your thoughtful response. Intention

> and

> attention will help me treat this patient tomorrow.

> I

> will also have a chance to interview him more

> specifically about the accident. So far I suspect

> this trauma was inflicted over many hours where the

> limb was utterly assaulted: blood, bone, flesh - the

> whole tomato. The residual energy of the trauma has

> been imprinted in the cellular memory as terror and

> shock. How is shock treated - bleed the jing well

> points, DU 26,... maybe that will wake the limb back

> to consciousness to realize the event is history.

>

> He's hinted that the phantom pain is in a continuous

> loop of reliving the incident. The only remedy is

> keeping himself constantly active - which is

> difficult

> during the cold winter months in Wisconsin.

>

> I appreciate any thoughts or commentary - all lead

> to

> a purpose-filled intention.

>

> Janis

>

> --- dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

>

> > Janis,

> > Well, a new thought may not hurt, wouldn't it,

> > Janis ? May I air my

> > view ?

> > " There are many amputees have lost their parts

> > of their bodies and

> > their fantom pain are still there, Why ? " I

> often

> > asked myself.

> > According to TCM, anywhere there is a Qi there

> is

> > a life ( a

> > sensation , a moving, an action, a motion ... ).

> Qi

> > is invisible, but

> > it exists, doesn't it? If Qi still exists , there

> > is pain, I think.

> > If there is no Qi, there is no feeling.

> > We have lnown 12 main meridians, 15 lou

> channels,

> > 8 extra channels

> > and others...

> > 12 main collaterals exist on the surface and

> > connected by lou "

> > connecting " channels travel deeper into the body

> > connecting to

> > tissues and organs. There are times when channels

> > begin and end. Each

> > channel is in connection with another in rhytmic

> > time " cycling " in

> > continuing flow without ceasing. Now the sensation

> > is still there "

> > real " , does it mean that its Qi still there?

> > Probably, I think. And

> > I think that Qi is somehow still leaking out from

> > the pre-meridians "

> > in flux " and cause the pain. If we do know the

> flow

> > of the channels

> > and the time its Qi will flow into the exact "

> > fantom " channels, we

> > may needle it to bypass or divert its flow, or

> > against its flow into

> > the fantom channel. If there is no more Qi flow

> into

> > the fantom limbs,

> > I guess, there is no more pain.

> > What we want to know " the fantom pain is deep

> > inside the bone,

> > muscle or at surface " the main meridians or lou

> > meridians. If the

> > fantom pain is the left, we might needle the right

> > limb, or we may

> > needle the reverse- opposite limb ( such as the

> > fantom left arm, we

> > may choose the right arm or right leg ). The

> reason

> > we borrow its

> > neighbor energy Qi, not from the source, the

> fantom,

> > because it is not

> > there or if it is in shortage. The neighbor have

> > more supply. I think

> > this is how TCM use opposite side to treat the

> > diseases and illnesses.

> > How do we bypass or divert its Qi ? I do not

> > think that we, TCM we

> > sedate its Qi , thinking of this as an excess or

> of

> > heat or phlegm or

> > damp case. The lost is not excess for sure. The

> pain

> > is the vibration

> > same as in the neuropathy, the neurotransmitters

> > stills transmit its

> > messages and still get responses and these

> abnormal

> > responses are

> > interpreted as pain. The faster responses the more

> > intense of pain are

> > indicated.

> > In this case I think we must find out the most

> > time of pain and the

> > most time of severe pain plus the time of no pain.

> > This tells us when

> > the Qi is at max flows out and cause severe pain,

> > and the time when

> > its Qi leaves ( empty Qi ) the fantom limb.

> > I would think it would be best for us to

> > concentrate on connecting

> > points aiming at Qi ( its direction, its flow, its

> > strength ). If we

> > bleed its channel, I think the pain diminished

> > temporary and may get

> > worse " this is not a good trick " , but DIVERT ,

> > DIVERT , DIVERT!!!

> >

> > Any more ideas , please help !

> >

> > P.S Qi flows out is expanding !!! Expanding Qi

> are

> > in Fire and Wood

> > elements ................. Other Earth ( neutral )

> ,

> > Metal( descending

> > and weakening ), Water ( contracting, centralizing

> ,

> > condensing )...

> > Are these offering any help ???????????????

> >

> > Nam Nguyen

> >

> > Good luck ! This is just a thought.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Petra:

 

I locate the points with the patient sitting up. Insert the needles, then have

them lie down on their side. One leg is hanging off the table. I put a blanket

in between legs to raise up the one leg a bit. The physically fit can lie face

down. It is an acrabatic feat. In the clinic, we would have the patient sit in

a chair, facing the table. When we got all the points in (and now the

practitioner has to be an acrabat), the patient leans their arms and head over a

pillow. It really is pretty comfortable.

 

Anne

-------------- Original message ----------------------

Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan

> Have you considered an external dragons treatment. I

> also have a question to anyone in the group regarding

> this. Do you locate the points with the patient

> sitting up then have them lie down or while they are

> prone? I have seen it done both ways and am always put

> off by the change in point location. Is it more

> important to get the right point location on the skin

> or deeper?

> --- Janis Egan <janis3934 wrote:

>

> > Hi Nam,

> >

> > Thank you for your thoughtful response. Intention

> > and

> > attention will help me treat this patient tomorrow.

> > I

> > will also have a chance to interview him more

> > specifically about the accident. So far I suspect

> > this trauma was inflicted over many hours where the

> > limb was utterly assaulted: blood, bone, flesh - the

> > whole tomato. The residual energy of the trauma has

> > been imprinted in the cellular memory as terror and

> > shock. How is shock treated - bleed the jing well

> > points, DU 26,... maybe that will wake the limb back

> > to consciousness to realize the event is history.

> >

> > He's hinted that the phantom pain is in a continuous

> > loop of reliving the incident. The only remedy is

> > keeping himself constantly active - which is

> > difficult

> > during the cold winter months in Wisconsin.

> >

> > I appreciate any thoughts or commentary - all lead

> > to

> > a purpose-filled intention.

> >

> > Janis

> >

> > --- dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

> >

> > > Janis,

> > > Well, a new thought may not hurt, wouldn't it,

> > > Janis ? May I air my

> > > view ?

> > > " There are many amputees have lost their parts

> > > of their bodies and

> > > their fantom pain are still there, Why ? " I

> > often

> > > asked myself.

> > > According to TCM, anywhere there is a Qi there

> > is

> > > a life ( a

> > > sensation , a moving, an action, a motion ... ).

> > Qi

> > > is invisible, but

> > > it exists, doesn't it? If Qi still exists , there

> > > is pain, I think.

> > > If there is no Qi, there is no feeling.

> > > We have lnown 12 main meridians, 15 lou

> > channels,

> > > 8 extra channels

> > > and others...

> > > 12 main collaterals exist on the surface and

> > > connected by lou "

> > > connecting " channels travel deeper into the body

> > > connecting to

> > > tissues and organs. There are times when channels

> > > begin and end. Each

> > > channel is in connection with another in rhytmic

> > > time " cycling " in

> > > continuing flow without ceasing. Now the sensation

> > > is still there "

> > > real " , does it mean that its Qi still there?

> > > Probably, I think. And

> > > I think that Qi is somehow still leaking out from

> > > the pre-meridians "

> > > in flux " and cause the pain. If we do know the

> > flow

> > > of the channels

> > > and the time its Qi will flow into the exact "

> > > fantom " channels, we

> > > may needle it to bypass or divert its flow, or

> > > against its flow into

> > > the fantom channel. If there is no more Qi flow

> > into

> > > the fantom limbs,

> > > I guess, there is no more pain.

> > > What we want to know " the fantom pain is deep

> > > inside the bone,

> > > muscle or at surface " the main meridians or lou

> > > meridians. If the

> > > fantom pain is the left, we might needle the right

> > > limb, or we may

> > > needle the reverse- opposite limb ( such as the

> > > fantom left arm, we

> > > may choose the right arm or right leg ). The

> > reason

> > > we borrow its

> > > neighbor energy Qi, not from the source, the

> > fantom,

> > > because it is not

> > > there or if it is in shortage. The neighbor have

> > > more supply. I think

> > > this is how TCM use opposite side to treat the

> > > diseases and illnesses.

> > > How do we bypass or divert its Qi ? I do not

> > > think that we, TCM we

> > > sedate its Qi , thinking of this as an excess or

> > of

> > > heat or phlegm or

> > > damp case. The lost is not excess for sure. The

> > pain

> > > is the vibration

> > > same as in the neuropathy, the neurotransmitters

> > > stills transmit its

> > > messages and still get responses and these

> > abnormal

> > > responses are

> > > interpreted as pain. The faster responses the more

> > > intense of pain are

> > > indicated.

> > > In this case I think we must find out the most

> > > time of pain and the

> > > most time of severe pain plus the time of no pain.

> > > This tells us when

> > > the Qi is at max flows out and cause severe pain,

> > > and the time when

> > > its Qi leaves ( empty Qi ) the fantom limb.

> > > I would think it would be best for us to

> > > concentrate on connecting

> > > points aiming at Qi ( its direction, its flow, its

> > > strength ). If we

> > > bleed its channel, I think the pain diminished

> > > temporary and may get

> > > worse " this is not a good trick " , but DIVERT ,

> > > DIVERT , DIVERT!!!

> > >

> > > Any more ideas , please help !

> > >

> > > P.S Qi flows out is expanding !!! Expanding Qi

> > are

> > > in Fire and Wood

> > > elements ................. Other Earth ( neutral )

> > ,

> > > Metal( descending

> > > and weakening ), Water ( contracting, centralizing

> > ,

> > > condensing )...

> > > Are these offering any help ???????????????

> > >

> > > Nam Nguyen

> > >

> > > Good luck ! This is just a thought.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at

> > > Times

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > >

> > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia

> > > for Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click,

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

> > > and adjust accordingly.

> > >

> > > Messages are the property of the author. Any

> > > duplication outside the group requires prior

> > > permission from the author.

> > >

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> > >