Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi Nam, okay my final attempt at this, here is the DSM IV Code, it clearly states part of the diagnostic criteria (#II) is onset before age 3. Regardless of what your opinion of the word means, what it translates diagnostically into TCM, or if it is genetic, chemical, whatever, your cousin could not have had it based on the WM criteria and bad parenting does not cause it. Oh and you might be referring to Kanners Autism as infantile autism which starts immediately at birth and is very severe versus regression somewhere within the first three years. There is no infantile vs adult autism, infantile autism is equal to autism, the term infantile autism is not used much anymore. You do not get autism as an adult, it just doesn't happen. Im done, Im not really mad at all this I just don't want the wrong impression out there, families affected by autism go through so much they don't need people believing they abuse their children. Julie Diagnostic Criteria for 299.00 Autistic Disorder ====================================================================== [The following is from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM IV] (I) A total of six (or more) items from (A), (B), and ©, with at least two from (A), and one each from (B) and © (A) qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following: 1. marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction 2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level 3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people, (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people) 4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity ( note: in the description, it gives the following as examples: not actively participating in simple social play or games, preferring solitary activities, or involving others in activities only as tools or " mechanical " aids ) (B) qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following: 1. delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime) 2. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others 3. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language 4. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level © restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least two of the following: 1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus 2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals 3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements) 4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects (II) Delays or abnormal functioning in at least one of the following areas, with onset prior to age 3 years: (A) social interaction (B) language as used in social communication © symbolic or imaginative play (III) The disturbance is not better accounted for by Rett's Disorder or Childhood Disintegrative Disorder Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of dr_namnguyen58 Friday, November 02, 2007 10:52 AM Chinese Medicine [sPAM]Re: Treating Autism/ADHD Julie, As you said you have a child with autism and I do believe you know more about this than I do. Trust me! There is a definition of autism as a brain disorder " infantile autism " concerning children up to age 3. What autism means in my mind ? Autism from Latin " auto means self + ism_ the state of " . From here, autism to me is a self behavior, a behavior not interesting in anything except in self ( not speaking, not responding, not social, not interested in life, not show any emotion " empathy " , not interested in doing anything, seems like a vegetable ). I think this word is a self-explainatory. IN WM, they first do not explain what autism means, but they all say it is a brain disorder. How do they try to feed us or patients with flood of information that we or they do not have a clue what it means. Later, they spell out some symptoms... They still do not explain what autism mean. I asked a patient, my cousin, and his parents what it meant... None of them understood what it meant, but they threw some symptoms and somes vague causes of chemical brain imbalance, sounded as experts. And they knew and understood for sure just as they are medical doctors themselves...... Some say dopamine deficiency, others serotonin, fews gene ( genetic ), and chromosomes... MDs, they all blame the cause of the the brain from genetic or some chemical ingestion. If they say it is a neurological disorders, they are not wrong. Anything in our bodies is a complex work of neurons, chemical work. How many cases have they seen in these problems and how did they solve them? If there theory and view are precise, why do they have to turn into Alternative medicine " TCM " ? TCM does not define this is a neurological disorders nor a brain disorder, but it does have different views of its own. May be there are some TCM will have successful treatments, but to make themselves more popular, they will bend, lean or borrow the theory of WM to confuse other TCM. If a TCM says it is Kidney problem , a problem with energy " yin and Yang " . Others say it a Spleen-Stomach problem because they produce energy ( Qi and blood ), no Qi no movement, no transmission. Some say it Liv Qi stagnation because its Qi is irregulated, not harmonized, the same thing in serotonine or dopamine " neurotransmitter " problem. Some crazy TCM will say it is from heat, others lunatic TCM will say it is from Cold........ Anything they say above, to me , nothing is wrong, but it did not come close to a diagnosis or to a treatment. There is no start and no end. So, they are worthless... All we need is a sound, a logical view and a result treatment. If we believe that autism is only the cause of the brain and only happen before the age of 3. We are one of them, MD. This is the one-way street... Adults do not have this kind of behavior???? What a beautiful world !!! I do believe autism can happen by any unknown causes at this time and it can happen at any age if it fits the definition " self " . I believe in some depression or emotional problem may exhibit patterns of autism, but there are clues to distinguish or recognize the differences. This can turn into that, and that into this, we called it " The I-Ching " , the constant change of thing in a universe... However, the infantile autism is a special case it must be classified as infantile, something like juvenile diabetes and adult onset diabetes...Easier for medical men, save time, in research and in diagnosis. I will be totally convinced in evidence if MD has successfully treat autism and if they have solid view. Until now the causes of autism are unknown and there is no cure. There are wide range of theories, but not one is a solid. P.S If the causes are now unknown, why there are websites about autism stating that brain disorder ? serotonin, dopamine, genetic disorders, chromosome disorders ??????? If there are evidence here or the above statements are true. They are known causes, aren't they?..... Are we also confused ??? Eventhough we TCM, MD are confused here, but patients ( not infants, but adults here ) themselves and their parents are so sure and they do understand them more clearly than us, TCM and ... They can explain to us as above. Please forgive me Julie. I do not wish to spell out the symptoms or patterns of this illness for you are able to find it everywhere on websites. Just type " autism " and search. I hope my case is not an offending case to whom who have an infantile autism... It is a learning process, not teaching anyone, but a weird experience . Nam Nguyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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