Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi Greg, Dan, Hugo, Andrea, Linda, and Artemis, Thanks so much for all your responses and insight. I have been waiting to see my patient again to further query and asses the situation. She came in last week with an external wind invasion, so we dealt with that. I did a more detailed intake at the time, and found that most of her symptoms do fall into an underlying Liver blood and yin deficiency causing blood stagnation, yang rising, or contributing to internal wind. I have treated her for that with acupuncture, slightly relieving the head symptoms for the day following treatment, but think herbs taken consistently will really be helpful. I liked the idea from Greg re: " the principle Yi Tong Wei Bu, which means to use " through " in order to supplement. Tong/through, in the case of this rx is moving blood and transforming blood stagnation. Getting rid of the stagnation in this case is a form of tonification, and allows for " normal " tonification to take place later. " I am going to treat her with a combination of blood moving and blood/ yin/liver nourishing formulas and some and hope that addresses the rising yang and or wind problems also. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again, Chinese Medicine P.S. Hi Greg. It's been 10 years! Hope you are well and happy. Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi Wendy, Let us know how it goes. I'd be curious to know what treatment you apply and the results, if you have time. " yi tong wei bu " is really from the saying " fu yi tong wei bu " , which means " regarding the fu organs, tong/through is tonification " . must remember that this also applies to the " qi heng zhi fu " / " extraordinary fu " , which includes the blood vessels and the uterus. Da Huang Zhe Chong Wan is exceptional for removing blood stagnation not only in the uterus, but in other parts of the body via the menstruation. Taken before the menstruation as I described earlier will often cause a lot of dark blood and clots to pass in the menstruate, removing blood stagnation and old dry blood stag in particular (a form of " tong " ), and given your description, I think would be helpful for your patient. Then can tonify and invigorate for 10-14 days after the menstruation, then use Da Huang Zhe Chong again. Repeat for a few months as you see fit. Best, Greg PS: I'm very well, thanks. Hope you are too! Chinese Medicine , Chinese Medicine <> wrote: > > Hi Greg, Dan, Hugo, Andrea, Linda, and Artemis, > > Thanks so much for all your responses and insight. I have been > waiting to see my patient again to further query and asses the > situation. She came in last week with an external wind invasion, so > we dealt with that. > > I did a more detailed intake at the time, and found that most of her > symptoms do fall into an underlying Liver blood and yin deficiency > causing blood stagnation, yang rising, or contributing to internal > wind. I have treated her for that with acupuncture, slightly > relieving the head symptoms for the day following treatment, but > think herbs taken consistently will really be helpful. I liked the > idea from Greg re: > > " the principle Yi Tong Wei Bu, which means to use " through " in order > to supplement. Tong/through, in the case of this rx is moving blood > and transforming blood stagnation. Getting rid of the stagnation in > this case is a form of tonification, and allows for " normal " > tonification to take place later. " > > I am going to treat her with a combination of blood moving and blood/ > yin/liver nourishing formulas and some and hope that addresses the > rising yang and or wind problems also. I'll let you know what happens. > > Thanks again, > > > Chinese Medicine > > P.S. Hi Greg. It's been 10 years! Hope you are well and happy. Thanks > for your input. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Greg, Have you seen da huang zhe chong wan given as a (modified) decoction or just as a pill or a pill added to a decoction? - Chinese Medicine , " Greg A. Livingston " <drlivingston wrote: > > Hi Wendy, > > Let us know how it goes. I'd be curious to know what treatment you > apply and the results, if you have time. > > " yi tong wei bu " is really from the saying " fu yi tong wei bu " , which > means " regarding the fu organs, tong/through is tonification " . must > remember that this also applies to the " qi heng zhi fu " / " extraordinary > fu " , which includes the blood vessels and the uterus. Da Huang Zhe > Chong Wan is exceptional for removing blood stagnation not only in the > uterus, but in other parts of the body via the menstruation. Taken > before the menstruation as I described earlier will often cause a lot > of dark blood and clots to pass in the menstruate, removing blood > stagnation and old dry blood stag in particular (a form of " tong " ), > and given your description, I think would be helpful for your patient. > Then can tonify and invigorate for 10-14 days after the menstruation, > then use Da Huang Zhe Chong again. Repeat for a few months as you see fit. > > Best, > > Greg > > PS: I'm very well, thanks. Hope you are too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Hi Jason, Usually this is in pill form as some of the ingredients are not often readily available. However, one can pick and choose some of the ingredients and add them to a decoction to give the " meaning " of DHZCW. Also can add the pill to decoction or take with strained decoction. Not sure about the availability of this pill outside of China, though. Greg Chinese Medicine , " " wrote: > > Greg, > > Have you seen da huang zhe chong wan given as a (modified) decoction > or just as a pill or a pill added to a decoction? > > - > > Chinese Medicine , " Greg A. > Livingston " <drlivingston@> wrote: > > > > Hi Wendy, > > > > Let us know how it goes. I'd be curious to know what treatment you > > apply and the results, if you have time. > > > > " yi tong wei bu " is really from the saying " fu yi tong wei bu " , which > > means " regarding the fu organs, tong/through is tonification " . must > > remember that this also applies to the " qi heng zhi fu " / " extraordinary > > fu " , which includes the blood vessels and the uterus. Da Huang Zhe > > Chong Wan is exceptional for removing blood stagnation not only in the > > uterus, but in other parts of the body via the menstruation. Taken > > before the menstruation as I described earlier will often cause a lot > > of dark blood and clots to pass in the menstruate, removing blood > > stagnation and old dry blood stag in particular (a form of " tong " ), > > and given your description, I think would be helpful for your patient. > > Then can tonify and invigorate for 10-14 days after the menstruation, > > then use Da Huang Zhe Chong again. Repeat for a few months as you > see fit. > > > > Best, > > > > Greg > > > > PS: I'm very well, thanks. Hope you are too! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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