Insomnia, Urinary Frequency and more

[Guest guest]

I would appreciate any thoughts on the following case.

 

Thanks, Kayte Halstead

 

 

 

Have been working with a patient for over 2 years - initially for

fertility, urinary frequency, and insomnia. Then as she hit 45 the

fertility goal was dropped.

 

Patient is 45, 300+lbs, peri-menopausal

 

Her CC when she visited was urinary frequency - daytime every 20-30

mins, nighttime every hour. Amount is clear and consistent with

intake. We made some reasonable progress with her CC but have not

managed her " stupid awakes " insomnia.

 

Briefly, she was abused as a child by her father - grew up on Rx

drugs, was already a heavy user by the age of 9 - manipulated 4 MD's

into prescribing various pain pills, diet pills etc - spent about 26

years abusing drugs and has been clean for over 10 years. The weight

gain has been only since she stopped abusing amphetamines and other

drugs

 

Drugs of abuse from age 9 to 17

Pot, Acid, Black Beauties, Benadryl, Alcohol, Liquid Speed,

Mushrooms, Hash

From 17-34

Meth, Rx Diadrex, MDA, Opionated Hash and OTC Diet Pills

From 35-44

 

In Recovery 10 years - no drugs or alcohol, but nicotine.

 

She has sworn off doctors. I don't count

 

Insomnia hits in phases - she can go for weeks with only a couple of

hours sleep a night with long periods of being awake only to fall

asleep in the am for 1-2 hrs. Then with 2-3 good nights of sleep, her

energy will pick up - only to fall back into the same routine of

stupid awakes. The " stupid awakes " often start with nightmares

involving being trapped and constrained with an urgent need to get

out – her husband has often found her out of bed banging on closed

doors or even windows trying to escape.

 

She takes no medications - but is very compliant with herbs, although

she tends to react to formulas completely contrary to how she

should. I can provide more details if required

 

We hit an emotional road block when she finally " gave up " on

pregnancy about 12 months ago and she went back to drinking coffee

and sodas and smoking. She gained 40lbs back and really has been

sliding ever since.

 

I finally got her to go get her blood work run (2yrs of persuasion)

thinking I was dealing with a Thyroid issue. Her Thyroid is normal,

her serum sodium is low and her cardiovascular risk is high

 

Her paternal family all died of heart related problems.

 

Diet is good - grows and cooks her own food, uses salt fairly

excessively - yet her serum sodium is low, her exercise is not so

good but she is fatigued to the point of irritability - her menstrual

cycle was regular at 24 days - 2 day bleed - though the last 2 months

have been longer and heavier. She is definitely peri-menopausal -

cycles now alternating at 50+ days and 18-21 days

 

My Diagnosis

Liver Qi Constraint with Ki Yang Deficiency, Spleen Qi Xu and Liver

Blood stagnation

Tongue is pale dusky with significant liver ridges, very little white

coating, but not peeled

Pulse - Deep and feint in all positions

Palpation - Abdominal cold - excess weight almost feels like a suit

that she could step out of.

Personality is overtly loud outgoing and bubbly, but also very

constrained and private.

[Guest guest]

how about phlegm misting the portals of the heart?

 

Sounds like she's been self medicating her whole life.

Your patience will serve her well.

 

 

--- acupuncture4health <kayte

wrote:

 

> I would appreciate any thoughts on the following

> case.

>

> Thanks, Kayte Halstead

>

>

>

> Have been working with a patient for over 2 years -

> initially for

> fertility, urinary frequency, and insomnia. Then as

> she hit 45 the

> fertility goal was dropped.

>

> Patient is 45, 300+lbs, peri-menopausal

>

> Her CC when she visited was urinary frequency -

> daytime every 20-30

> mins, nighttime every hour. Amount is clear and

> consistent with

> intake. We made some reasonable progress with her CC

> but have not

> managed her " stupid awakes " insomnia.

>

> Briefly, she was abused as a child by her father -

> grew up on Rx

> drugs, was already a heavy user by the age of 9 -

> manipulated 4 MD's

> into prescribing various pain pills, diet pills etc

> - spent about 26

> years abusing drugs and has been clean for over 10

> years. The weight

> gain has been only since she stopped abusing

> amphetamines and other

> drugs

>

> Drugs of abuse from age 9 to 17

> Pot, Acid, Black Beauties, Benadryl, Alcohol, Liquid

> Speed,

> Mushrooms, Hash

> From 17-34

> Meth, Rx Diadrex, MDA, Opionated Hash and OTC Diet

> Pills

> From 35-44

>

> In Recovery 10 years - no drugs or alcohol, but

> nicotine.

>

> She has sworn off doctors. I don't count

>

> Insomnia hits in phases - she can go for weeks with

> only a couple of

> hours sleep a night with long periods of being awake

> only to fall

> asleep in the am for 1-2 hrs. Then with 2-3 good

> nights of sleep, her

> energy will pick up - only to fall back into the

> same routine of

> stupid awakes. The " stupid awakes " often start with

> nightmares

> involving being trapped and constrained with an

> urgent need to get

> out – her husband has often found her out of bed

> banging on closed

> doors or even windows trying to escape.

>

> She takes no medications - but is very compliant

> with herbs, although

> she tends to react to formulas completely contrary

> to how she

> should. I can provide more details if required

>

> We hit an emotional road block when she finally

> " gave up " on

> pregnancy about 12 months ago and she went back to

> drinking coffee

> and sodas and smoking. She gained 40lbs back and

> really has been

> sliding ever since.

>

> I finally got her to go get her blood work run (2yrs

> of persuasion)

> thinking I was dealing with a Thyroid issue. Her

> Thyroid is normal,

> her serum sodium is low and her cardiovascular risk

> is high

>

> Her paternal family all died of heart related

> problems.

>

> Diet is good - grows and cooks her own food, uses

> salt fairly

> excessively - yet her serum sodium is low, her

> exercise is not so

> good but she is fatigued to the point of

> irritability - her menstrual

> cycle was regular at 24 days - 2 day bleed - though

> the last 2 months

> have been longer and heavier. She is definitely

> peri-menopausal -

> cycles now alternating at 50+ days and 18-21 days

>

> My Diagnosis

> Liver Qi Constraint with Ki Yang Deficiency, Spleen

> Qi Xu and Liver

> Blood stagnation

> Tongue is pale dusky with significant liver ridges,

> very little white

> coating, but not peeled

> Pulse - Deep and feint in all positions

> Palpation - Abdominal cold - excess weight almost

> feels like a suit

> that she could step out of.

> Personality is overtly loud outgoing and bubbly, but

> also very

> constrained and private.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

What are her blood sugar levels?

 

david

 

--- In

Chinese Medicine , " acupuncture4health "

<kayte wrote:

>

> I would appreciate any thoughts on the following case.

>

> Thanks, Kayte Halstead

>

>

>

> Have been working with a patient for over 2 years - initially for

> fertility, urinary frequency, and insomnia. Then as she hit 45

the

> fertility goal was dropped.

>

> Patient is 45, 300+lbs, peri-menopausal

>

> Her CC when she visited was urinary frequency - daytime every 20-

30

> mins, nighttime every hour. Amount is clear and consistent with

> intake. We made some reasonable progress with her CC but have not

> managed her " stupid awakes " insomnia.

>

> Briefly, she was abused as a child by her father - grew up on Rx

> drugs, was already a heavy user by the age of 9 - manipulated 4

MD's

> into prescribing various pain pills, diet pills etc - spent about

26

> years abusing drugs and has been clean for over 10 years. The

weight

> gain has been only since she stopped abusing amphetamines and

other

> drugs

>

> Drugs of abuse from age 9 to 17

> Pot, Acid, Black Beauties, Benadryl, Alcohol, Liquid Speed,

> Mushrooms, Hash

> From 17-34

> Meth, Rx Diadrex, MDA, Opionated Hash and OTC Diet Pills

> From 35-44

>

> In Recovery 10 years - no drugs or alcohol, but nicotine.

>

> She has sworn off doctors. I don't count

>

> Insomnia hits in phases - she can go for weeks with only a couple

of

> hours sleep a night with long periods of being awake only to fall

> asleep in the am for 1-2 hrs. Then with 2-3 good nights of sleep,

her

> energy will pick up - only to fall back into the same routine of

> stupid awakes. The " stupid awakes " often start with nightmares

> involving being trapped and constrained with an urgent need to get

> out – her husband has often found her out of bed banging on closed

> doors or even windows trying to escape.

>

> She takes no medications - but is very compliant with herbs,

although

> she tends to react to formulas completely contrary to how she

> should. I can provide more details if required

>

> We hit an emotional road block when she finally " gave up " on

> pregnancy about 12 months ago and she went back to drinking coffee

> and sodas and smoking. She gained 40lbs back and really has been

> sliding ever since.

>

> I finally got her to go get her blood work run (2yrs of

persuasion)

> thinking I was dealing with a Thyroid issue. Her Thyroid is

normal,

> her serum sodium is low and her cardiovascular risk is high

>

> Her paternal family all died of heart related problems.

>

> Diet is good - grows and cooks her own food, uses salt fairly

> excessively - yet her serum sodium is low, her exercise is not so

> good but she is fatigued to the point of irritability - her

menstrual

> cycle was regular at 24 days - 2 day bleed - though the last 2

months

> have been longer and heavier. She is definitely peri-menopausal -

> cycles now alternating at 50+ days and 18-21 days

>

> My Diagnosis

> Liver Qi Constraint with Ki Yang Deficiency, Spleen Qi Xu and

Liver

> Blood stagnation

> Tongue is pale dusky with significant liver ridges, very little

white

> coating, but not peeled

> Pulse - Deep and feint in all positions

> Palpation - Abdominal cold - excess weight almost feels like a

suit

> that she could step out of.

> Personality is overtly loud outgoing and bubbly, but also very

> constrained and private.

>

[Guest guest]

Kayte:

 

I'm with David in thinking that she is likely diabetic (not that you

can't work with that, but a medical specialist might be of some help

too!). As she is peri-menopausal and overweight, you might think

along the lines of endocrine support and hormone regulation in your

herbal quest. Balancing these with " natural " HRT can assist with

frequent urination and restlessness/insomnia.

 

Your diagnostic findings appear quite serious and yet you imply that

her compliance is not 100 percent - she seems to be attempting to

control your input based on prior " abuse " (as naturally she might).

With that in mind, my first thoughts regard the woman herself. Can

she allow herself to be an effective source of her own wellness? Is

she looking for a co-conspirator to avoid doing the hard work? Is

she afraid that nothing will work?

 

How's her shen (and yours) when you two meet? I sense a " spirit

connection " is needed with this person and maybe you could find

someone to work this area with you (you in the plural). I suspect

that some of her insomnia is her body's way of telling her something

is wrong and needs attention - probably why she is seeing you!

 

From a TCM standpoint, this case is multi-fold and serious. Without

seeing the patient, my next concerns would regard Liver Spleen

dysharmony and emergency therapy (meaning intense treatment, not

scary ER stuff!). There seems to be multiple patterns here and may

require " peeling the onion " (i.e. working through the layers to the

underlying cause(s)).

 

This seems like a case where increased treatment may be needed for a

time, augmented with home therapy - perhaps in the form of auriculo

needles (liver, spleen and heart points) if this works within your

prescription.

 

I also teach my patients to stimulate the Tsing points continuously.

It can be amazing how this simple channel balancing procedure brings

forth the primary condition. Seems to " clear the fog " so to speak.

 

You might consider seeing her daily for a few weeks. You might also

consider referring her for concurrent medical evaluation and care

with someone you trust.

 

Regarding pulse diagnosis with obese individuals, I have often

compared neck and ankle pulses with the traditional wrist pulses.

This can often reveal the underlying meridian system of distress.

 

I will be interested to see how this case progresses. Good luck and

hang in there,

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

You wrote:

" > she tends to react to formulas completely contrary to how she

> should. "

this statement hit me that perhaps she should try homeopathics. I

don't know enough to prescribe them of course but they work on that

vibrational level, and clearly she has a lot of energetic stuff to

clear. Not that acu & herbs can't do that, but since she's seemingly

responding to the herbs in a homeopathic kind of way, maybe that may

help. Also a very good reiki practitioner might help to clear some

blocks so you can get to your work with her.

cheers

[Guest guest]

Blood Sugar fasting - 130, sodium is low, cholesterol 209 ratio 4.4,

C-Reactive Protein 12.7 high BP 125/78

 

All of which coupled with her familly history - put her at high risk

for cardiovascular.

 

The patient is aware of all this, but refuses any western

intervention.

 

Kayte

 

 

 

--- In

Chinese Medicine , " flyingstarsfengshui "

<flyingstarsfengshui wrote:

>

>

> What are her blood sugar levels?

>

> david

>

> --- In

> Chinese Medicine , " acupuncture4health "

> <kayte@> wrote:

> >

> > I would appreciate any thoughts on the following case.

> >

> > Thanks, Kayte Halstead

> >

> >

> >

> > Have been working with a patient for over 2 years - initially for

> > fertility, urinary frequency, and insomnia. Then as she hit 45

> the

> > fertility goal was dropped.

> >

> > Patient is 45, 300+lbs, peri-menopausal

> >

> > Her CC when she visited was urinary frequency - daytime every 20-

> 30

> > mins, nighttime every hour. Amount is clear and consistent with

> > intake. We made some reasonable progress with her CC but have not

> > managed her " stupid awakes " insomnia.

> >

> > Briefly, she was abused as a child by her father - grew up on Rx

> > drugs, was already a heavy user by the age of 9 - manipulated 4

> MD's

> > into prescribing various pain pills, diet pills etc - spent about

> 26

> > years abusing drugs and has been clean for over 10 years. The

> weight

> > gain has been only since she stopped abusing amphetamines and

> other

> > drugs

> >

> > Drugs of abuse from age 9 to 17

> > Pot, Acid, Black Beauties, Benadryl, Alcohol, Liquid Speed,

> > Mushrooms, Hash

> > From 17-34

> > Meth, Rx Diadrex, MDA, Opionated Hash and OTC Diet Pills

> > From 35-44

> >

> > In Recovery 10 years - no drugs or alcohol, but nicotine.

> >

> > She has sworn off doctors. I don't count

> >

> > Insomnia hits in phases - she can go for weeks with only a couple

> of

> > hours sleep a night with long periods of being awake only to fall

> > asleep in the am for 1-2 hrs. Then with 2-3 good nights of sleep,

> her

> > energy will pick up - only to fall back into the same routine of

> > stupid awakes. The " stupid awakes " often start with nightmares

> > involving being trapped and constrained with an urgent need to

get

> > out – her husband has often found her out of bed banging on

closed

> > doors or even windows trying to escape.

> >

> > She takes no medications - but is very compliant with herbs,

> although

> > she tends to react to formulas completely contrary to how she

> > should. I can provide more details if required

> >

> > We hit an emotional road block when she finally " gave up " on

> > pregnancy about 12 months ago and she went back to drinking

coffee

> > and sodas and smoking. She gained 40lbs back and really has been

> > sliding ever since.

> >

> > I finally got her to go get her blood work run (2yrs of

> persuasion)

> > thinking I was dealing with a Thyroid issue. Her Thyroid is

> normal,

> > her serum sodium is low and her cardiovascular risk is high

> >

> > Her paternal family all died of heart related problems.

> >

> > Diet is good - grows and cooks her own food, uses salt fairly

> > excessively - yet her serum sodium is low, her exercise is not

so

> > good but she is fatigued to the point of irritability - her

> menstrual

> > cycle was regular at 24 days - 2 day bleed - though the last 2

> months

> > have been longer and heavier. She is definitely peri-menopausal -

 

> > cycles now alternating at 50+ days and 18-21 days

> >

> > My Diagnosis

> > Liver Qi Constraint with Ki Yang Deficiency, Spleen Qi Xu and

> Liver

> > Blood stagnation

> > Tongue is pale dusky with significant liver ridges, very little

> white

> > coating, but not peeled

> > Pulse - Deep and feint in all positions

> > Palpation - Abdominal cold - excess weight almost feels like a

> suit

> > that she could step out of.

> > Personality is overtly loud outgoing and bubbly, but also very

> > constrained and private.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is she diagnosed as a diabetic?

 

 

 

--- In

Chinese Medicine , " acupuncture4health "

<kayte wrote:

>

> Blood Sugar fasting - 130, sodium is low, cholesterol 209 ratio

4.4,

> C-Reactive Protein 12.7 high BP 125/78

>

> All of which coupled with her familly history - put her at high

risk

> for cardiovascular.

>

> The patient is aware of all this, but refuses any western

> intervention.

>

> Kayte

>

>

>

> --- In

>

Chinese Medicine , " flyingstarsfengshui "

> <flyingstarsfengshui@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > What are her blood sugar levels?

> >

> > david

> >

> > --- In

> >

Chinese Medicine , " acupuncture4health "

> > <kayte@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I would appreciate any thoughts on the following case.

> > >

> > > Thanks, Kayte Halstead

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have been working with a patient for over 2 years - initially

for

> > > fertility, urinary frequency, and insomnia. Then as she hit

45

> > the

> > > fertility goal was dropped.

> > >

> > > Patient is 45, 300+lbs, peri-menopausal

> > >

> > > Her CC when she visited was urinary frequency - daytime every

20-

> > 30

> > > mins, nighttime every hour. Amount is clear and consistent

with

> > > intake. We made some reasonable progress with her CC but have

not

> > > managed her " stupid awakes " insomnia.

> > >

> > > Briefly, she was abused as a child by her father - grew up on

Rx

> > > drugs, was already a heavy user by the age of 9 - manipulated

4

> > MD's

> > > into prescribing various pain pills, diet pills etc - spent

about

> > 26

> > > years abusing drugs and has been clean for over 10 years. The

> > weight

> > > gain has been only since she stopped abusing amphetamines and

> > other

> > > drugs

> > >

> > > Drugs of abuse from age 9 to 17

> > > Pot, Acid, Black Beauties, Benadryl, Alcohol, Liquid Speed,

> > > Mushrooms, Hash

> > > From 17-34

> > > Meth, Rx Diadrex, MDA, Opionated Hash and OTC Diet Pills

> > > From 35-44

> > >

> > > In Recovery 10 years - no drugs or alcohol, but nicotine.

> > >

> > > She has sworn off doctors. I don't count

> > >

> > > Insomnia hits in phases - she can go for weeks with only a

couple

> > of

> > > hours sleep a night with long periods of being awake only to

fall

> > > asleep in the am for 1-2 hrs. Then with 2-3 good nights of

sleep,

> > her

> > > energy will pick up - only to fall back into the same routine

of

> > > stupid awakes. The " stupid awakes " often start with

nightmares

> > > involving being trapped and constrained with an urgent need to

> get

> > > out – her husband has often found her out of bed banging on

> closed

> > > doors or even windows trying to escape.

> > >

> > > She takes no medications - but is very compliant with herbs,

> > although

> > > she tends to react to formulas completely contrary to how she

> > > should. I can provide more details if required

> > >

> > > We hit an emotional road block when she finally " gave up " on

> > > pregnancy about 12 months ago and she went back to drinking

> coffee

> > > and sodas and smoking. She gained 40lbs back and really has

been

> > > sliding ever since.

> > >

> > > I finally got her to go get her blood work run (2yrs of

> > persuasion)

> > > thinking I was dealing with a Thyroid issue. Her Thyroid is

> > normal,

> > > her serum sodium is low and her cardiovascular risk is high

> > >

> > > Her paternal family all died of heart related problems.

> > >

> > > Diet is good - grows and cooks her own food, uses salt fairly

> > > excessively - yet her serum sodium is low, her exercise is

not

> so

> > > good but she is fatigued to the point of irritability - her

> > menstrual

> > > cycle was regular at 24 days - 2 day bleed - though the last 2

> > months

> > > have been longer and heavier. She is definitely peri-

menopausal -

>

> > > cycles now alternating at 50+ days and 18-21 days

> > >

> > > My Diagnosis

> > > Liver Qi Constraint with Ki Yang Deficiency, Spleen Qi Xu and

> > Liver

> > > Blood stagnation

> > > Tongue is pale dusky with significant liver ridges, very

little

> > white

> > > coating, but not peeled

> > > Pulse - Deep and feint in all positions

> > > Palpation - Abdominal cold - excess weight almost feels like a

> > suit

> > > that she could step out of.

> > > Personality is overtly loud outgoing and bubbly, but also very

> > > constrained and private.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Please understand - this patient considers the western medical

profession as equally resposible for her addiction as she is. A

diabetic diagnosis would assume a western medical diagnosis. That is

not the case.

 

We have talked about both high risk for diabetes and cardiovascular

disease - but my hands are tied to acupuncture, herbs, diet, exercise,

sleep etc.

 

Kayte

 

 

 

In Chinese Medicine , " flyingstarsfengshui "

<flyingstarsfengshui wrote:

>

> Is she diagnosed as a diabetic?

>

>

[Guest guest]

From the info you gave she is a diabetic and this can be responsible

for some of her conditions and symptoms, urinination, insomnia,

hypertension, etc. So that must be controlled.

 

My suggestion is to atleast give her things to read or places on the

internet to read about diabetes and it may motivate her to take

steps to bring the glucose levels done and her life can change.

There are good meds, like glucofage/metformin which are cheap at

target or wallmart, special $4 or $7 a month, this med is most safe

in the category, with this, diet and exercise her weight should drop

must faster than before.

 

Of course the natural way can help, like chromium, bitter

mellon,citrimax, cucumbers, herbs, etc, but they will only go do far.

 

regards,

david

 

 

 

--- In

Chinese Medicine , " acupuncture4health "

<kayte wrote:

>

> Please understand - this patient considers the western medical

> profession as equally resposible for her addiction as she is. A

> diabetic diagnosis would assume a western medical diagnosis. That

is

> not the case.

>

> We have talked about both high risk for diabetes and

cardiovascular

> disease - but my hands are tied to acupuncture, herbs, diet,

exercise,

> sleep etc.

>

> Kayte

>

>

>

> In

Chinese Medicine , " flyingstarsfengshui "

> <flyingstarsfengshui@> wrote:

> >

> > Is she diagnosed as a diabetic?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

also, the 7 dragons technique for releasing " evil qi " would be

beneficial in this case. Sorry I don't have the formula infront of me,

it was something like: 1/2 way betw ren 14 & 15, St 25, 32, and 41...

I'm sure someone can verify. then open the window or set the fan to

clear and leave the room. helps to release trauma

[Guest guest]

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but from my perspective what you need to

work with is what you describe in " briefly " : " Briefly, she was abused by her

father " . I have been reading this post, and, sadly enough, this subject has

not arisen. How do you expect a person to cope with life when the own person

who was supposed to preotect her, abuses her?

 

The Zhen Jiu Jia Yi Jing in the First chapter of Book 1 refers to the SHEN of

the patient, all illnesses are created there. Change her emotions and her

body will follow. How was she supposed to conceive when there was a small

girl in her crying to her father to stop the abuse? Or do you think all those

years of drug abuse is something different?

 

Of course, everything has taken its toll, and now she is overwheight, 45 years

old with kidney defficiency and everything else you describe, but these are

secondary issues, and will be very easy to treat once that emotional has been

cleared.

 

I have come across a very interesting therapy, i have seen it change lives,

it's not TCM, but it's an excellent therapy, it goes directly to the shen,

and unblocks it, it works with family systems, here is their webpage:

 

http://www.hellinger.com/

 

I hope it helps

 

Stop treating the body alone, you will never reac anything that way, treat the

emotions, the mind, the feelings and the spiritual life, only then you will

find true healing

 

Juan

 

El Wednesday 31 October 2007 09:56:02 acupuncture4health escribió:

> I would appreciate any thoughts on the following case.

>

> Thanks, Kayte Halstead

>

>

>

> Have been working with a patient for over 2 years - initially for

> fertility, urinary frequency, and insomnia. Then as she hit 45 the

> fertility goal was dropped.

>

> Patient is 45, 300+lbs, peri-menopausal

>

> Her CC when she visited was urinary frequency - daytime every 20-30

> mins, nighttime every hour. Amount is clear and consistent with

> intake. We made some reasonable progress with her CC but have not

> managed her " stupid awakes " insomnia.

>

> Briefly, she was abused as a child by her father - grew up on Rx

> drugs, was already a heavy user by the age of 9 - manipulated 4 MD's

> into prescribing various pain pills, diet pills etc - spent about 26

> years abusing drugs and has been clean for over 10 years. The weight

> gain has been only since she stopped abusing amphetamines and other

> drugs

>

> Drugs of abuse from age 9 to 17

> Pot, Acid, Black Beauties, Benadryl, Alcohol, Liquid Speed,

> Mushrooms, Hash

> From 17-34

> Meth, Rx Diadrex, MDA, Opionated Hash and OTC Diet Pills

> From 35-44

>

> In Recovery 10 years - no drugs or alcohol, but nicotine.

>

> She has sworn off doctors. I don't count

>

> Insomnia hits in phases - she can go for weeks with only a couple of

> hours sleep a night with long periods of being awake only to fall

> asleep in the am for 1-2 hrs. Then with 2-3 good nights of sleep, her

> energy will pick up - only to fall back into the same routine of

> stupid awakes. The " stupid awakes " often start with nightmares

> involving being trapped and constrained with an urgent need to get

> out – her husband has often found her out of bed banging on closed

> doors or even windows trying to escape.

>

> She takes no medications - but is very compliant with herbs, although

> she tends to react to formulas completely contrary to how she

> should. I can provide more details if required

>

> We hit an emotional road block when she finally " gave up " on

> pregnancy about 12 months ago and she went back to drinking coffee

> and sodas and smoking. She gained 40lbs back and really has been

> sliding ever since.

>

> I finally got her to go get her blood work run (2yrs of persuasion)

> thinking I was dealing with a Thyroid issue. Her Thyroid is normal,

> her serum sodium is low and her cardiovascular risk is high

>

> Her paternal family all died of heart related problems.

>

> Diet is good - grows and cooks her own food, uses salt fairly

> excessively - yet her serum sodium is low, her exercise is not so

> good but she is fatigued to the point of irritability - her menstrual

> cycle was regular at 24 days - 2 day bleed - though the last 2 months

> have been longer and heavier. She is definitely peri-menopausal -

> cycles now alternating at 50+ days and 18-21 days

>

> My Diagnosis

> Liver Qi Constraint with Ki Yang Deficiency, Spleen Qi Xu and Liver

> Blood stagnation

> Tongue is pale dusky with significant liver ridges, very little white

> coating, but not peeled

> Pulse - Deep and feint in all positions

> Palpation - Abdominal cold - excess weight almost feels like a suit

> that she could step out of.

> Personality is overtly loud outgoing and bubbly, but also very

> constrained and private.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kayte:

 

I happen to have alot of experience with diabetes. If her fasing

levels is 130, we can assume they are going to 200 or more when

eating, this is dangerous. See if she can get the blood test to show

the average for three months, this is critical, to know exactly her

condition.

 

If she has a family history of heart disease, her risk is

significantly increased with diabetes, beyond family influence.

 

To me controlling glucose levels is the most important thing that

needs to be done or most every one of the body's system is at risk.

It is something that can be managed, if not the consequences are

enormous. Most likely even one month or so controlling glucose

levels will have a powerful effect on her health and well being.

 

Sorry to be agressive on this but in a way its simple, treat the

diabetes and the probality is high most things well get better, if

not??????????????

 

regards,

david

 

 

 

 

--- In

Chinese Medicine , " acupuncture4health "

<kayte wrote:

>

> Please understand - this patient considers the western medical

> profession as equally resposible for her addiction as she is. A

> diabetic diagnosis would assume a western medical diagnosis. That

is

> not the case.

>

> We have talked about both high risk for diabetes and

cardiovascular

> disease - but my hands are tied to acupuncture, herbs, diet,

exercise,

> sleep etc.

>

> Kayte

>

>

>

> In

Chinese Medicine , " flyingstarsfengshui "

> <flyingstarsfengshui@> wrote:

> >

> > Is she diagnosed as a diabetic?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Internal Demons

 

Master point 1/4 " below CV 15

ST 25 - 5 Fen

ST 32 - 6 Fen

ST 41 - 5 Fen

 

Insert all needles right to left, top to bottom, straight in, to full fen depth

After all needles are in, go back and disperse (180o counterclockwise) all

needles in same order as they were inserted.

 

Leave in 20 mins (or more if you feel necessary)

Instructions are to tonify on the way out if patient is depleted. I rarely do

this. I tonify other points when this treatment is finished.

 

Remove all needles in the same order they were inserted.

 

You are looking for a change in the shen in the eyes. Eyes brighter, not

cloudy. I do this treatment sometimes, even when I don't see that cloudy look

in the eyes - if something in life has taken control of them.

 

The patient's face and eyes look clearer after this treatment and their energy

seems very different, more connected.

 

I like the open the window idea (if you can), or light a candle to absorb the

not -so-nice energy. The important thing with this treatment is to hold the

intention that you are driving out the demons. Kinda like a Catholic priest

going through an excorcism - his intention is pretty strong. You can leave the

room and ask the patient to image everything leaving their body that they do not

need. They are holding the intention too.

 

Good luck - it is a great treatment. Worsley recomends following it with the

aggressive energy treatment (they both take a while, so you will probably have

to do AE on the next visit.)

 

Anne

 

 

 

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

" Sami Rank LAc " <herbsnacupnxr

> also, the 7 dragons technique for releasing " evil qi " would be

> beneficial in this case. Sorry I don't have the formula infront of me,

> it was something like: 1/2 way betw ren 14 & 15, St 25, 32, and 41...

> I'm sure someone can verify. then open the window or set the fan to

> clear and leave the room. helps to release trauma

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone.

 

A couple of questions.

 

Someone mentioned that Walmart has glucophage and metformin for $4 -

surely this is only by prescription?

 

Her non-fasting glucose is 90 not 200 - would it be more sensible to

have her chart blood sugars for 1 week pre and post eating and at

bedtime - to get a clearer reading. Another blood test is very

unlikely.

 

For internal demons - Anne do you recommend advising the patient

beforehand of the planned course of treatment, so that they can

prepare, or not?

 

The patient had done a lot of work around the abuse and subsequent

addiction, but I am sure she will recognize that a complete clearing

is essential.

 

Thank you again for your input.

 

I know a lot of the group are also members of the CHA - rather than

duplicate posting, if anyone has any thoughts on the herbal side of

treatment, please feel free to eail me offline.

 

Kayte

 

Chinese Medicine , anne.crowley

wrote:

>

>

> Internal Demons

>

> Master point 1/4 " below CV 15

> ST 25 - 5 Fen

> ST 32 - 6 Fen

> ST 41 - 5 Fen

>

> Insert all needles right to left, top to bottom, straight in, to

full fen depth

> After all needles are in, go back and disperse (180o

counterclockwise) all needles in same order as they were inserted.

>

> Leave in 20 mins (or more if you feel necessary)

> Instructions are to tonify on the way out if patient is depleted.

I rarely do this. I tonify other points when this treatment is

finished.

>

> Remove all needles in the same order they were inserted.

>

> You are looking for a change in the shen in the eyes. Eyes

brighter, not cloudy. I do this treatment sometimes, even when I

don't see that cloudy look in the eyes - if something in life has

taken control of them.

>

> The patient's face and eyes look clearer after this treatment and

their energy seems very different, more connected.

>

> I like the open the window idea (if you can), or light a candle to

absorb the not -so-nice energy. The important thing with this

treatment is to hold the intention that you are driving out the

demons. Kinda like a Catholic priest going through an excorcism -

his intention is pretty strong. You can leave the room and ask the

patient to image everything leaving their body that they do not

need. They are holding the intention too.

>

> Good luck - it is a great treatment. Worsley recomends following

it with the aggressive energy treatment (they both take a while, so

you will probably have to do AE on the next visit.)

>

> Anne

>

>

>

>

> -------------- Original message ----------------------

> " Sami Rank LAc " <herbsnacupnxr

> > also, the 7 dragons technique for releasing " evil qi " would be

> > beneficial in this case. Sorry I don't have the formula infront

of me,

> > it was something like: 1/2 way betw ren 14 & 15, St 25, 32, and

41...

> > I'm sure someone can verify. then open the window or set the fan

to

> > clear and leave the room. helps to release trauma

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>