Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Yehuda, “Bu Wang San†is a traditional formula from “qian jin (åƒé‡‘), chapter 14.†One may assume that this is Sun Si-Miao’s <<Important Formulas Worth a Thousand Gold Pieces.>>, but not necessarily. I do not have my copy in front of me. Anyone? I am not sure if “No memory powder†is a good translation, since it is for memory. Maybe better is something like “Do not forget powder†or whatever… but the original ingredients are: Shi chang pu 2, fu ling 5, fu shen 5, ren shen 5, yuan zhi 7. Hope this helps. - _____ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:16 AM ; TCM Bu Wang San Dear Friends, In Flaws and Lake's book, " Chinese Medical Psychiatry " , the formula Bu Wang San, (No memory powder) is mentioned in passing for the treatment of insomnia and impaired memory. It is mentioned that among the ingredients are Ren Shen, Yuan Zhi and Shi Chang Pu. My questions are: 1. From whence cometh this formula? 2. What are the other ingredients and dosages and 3. These are the same ingredients as Ding Zhi Wan (minus Fu Ling). Is this just another name for the same formula? Thanks in advance, http://mail. <> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Friends, In Flaws and Lake's book, " Chinese Medical Psychiatry " , the formula Bu Wang San, (No memory powder) is mentioned in passing for the treatment of insomnia and impaired memory. It is mentioned that among the ingredients are Ren Shen, Yuan Zhi and Shi Chang Pu. My questions are: 1. From whence cometh this formula? 2. What are the other ingredients and dosages and 3. These are the same ingredients as Ding Zhi Wan (minus Fu Ling). Is this just another name for the same formula? Thanks in advance, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Thanks, Jason. Well from the ingredients you list, it is basically the same formula as " Ding Zhi Wan " , with smaller dosages and substituting Fu Shen for Fu Ling. Ding Zhi Wan, BTW comes from Qian Jin Yao Fang (Important Formulas worth 1000 gold), so what gives on the 2 names? Are they just interchangable description of the same thing or what? Here are comparative dosages based on what you list below: Ding Zhi Wan Bu Wang San Ren shen 9 5 Fu ling (shen) 9 5 Shi Chang pu 6 2 Yuan Zhi 6 7 Yehuda , " " wrote: > > Yehuda, > > > > “Bu Wang San†is a traditional formula from “qian jin (åƒé‡`), chapter 14.†One may assume that this is Sun Si-Miao’s <<Important Formulas Worth a Thousand Gold > > Pieces.>>, but not necessarily. I do not have my copy in front of me. Anyone? > > > > I am not sure if “No memory powder†is a good translation, since it is for memory. Maybe better is something like “Do not forget powder†or whatever… but the original ingredients are: > > > > Shi chang pu 2, fu ling 5, fu shen 5, ren shen 5, yuan zhi 7. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > - > > > > _____ > > On Behalf Of yehuda frischman > Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:16 AM > ; TCM > Bu Wang San > > > > Dear Friends, > > In Flaws and Lake's book, " Chinese Medical Psychiatry " , the formula Bu Wang San, (No memory powder) is mentioned in passing for the treatment of insomnia and impaired memory. It is mentioned that among the ingredients are Ren Shen, Yuan Zhi and Shi Chang Pu. My questions are: 1. From whence cometh this formula? 2. What are the other ingredients and dosages and 3. These are the same ingredients as Ding Zhi Wan (minus Fu Ling). Is this just another name for the same formula? > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. <> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Yehuda, I am not sure “what givesâ€, but it is not uncommon for 2 formulas to have the same ingredients but slightly different dosages and have different actions. Just review the SHL for examples. Therefore looking at the original source text probably would give insight into the authors thought process. But not only does Bu Wang San have different dosages (than ding zhi wan) but adds 1 additional ingredient, therefore these are two different formulas. -Jason _____ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:28 AM Re: Bu Wang San Thanks, Jason. Well from the ingredients you list, it is basically the same formula as " Ding Zhi Wan " , with smaller dosages and substituting Fu Shen for Fu Ling. Ding Zhi Wan, BTW comes from Qian Jin Yao Fang (Important Formulas worth 1000 gold), so what gives on the 2 names? Are they just interchangable description of the same thing or what? Here are comparative dosages based on what you list below: Ding Zhi Wan Bu Wang San Ren shen 9 5 Fu ling (shen) 9 5 Shi Chang pu 6 2 Yuan Zhi 6 7 Yehuda @ <%40> , " " wrote: > > Yehuda, > > > > “Bu Wang San†is a traditional formula from “qian jin (åƒé‡`), chapter 14.†One may assume that this is Sun Si-Miao’s <<Important Formulas Worth a Thousand Gold > > Pieces.>>, but not necessarily. I do not have my copy in front of me. Anyone? > > > > I am not sure if “No memory powder†is a good translation, since it is for memory. Maybe better is something like “Do not forget powder†or whatever… but the original ingredients are: > > > > Shi chang pu 2, fu ling 5, fu shen 5, ren shen 5, yuan zhi 7. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > - > > > > _____ > > @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman > Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:16 AM > @ <%40> ; TCM > Bu Wang San > > > > Dear Friends, > > In Flaws and Lake's book, " Chinese Medical Psychiatry " , the formula Bu Wang San, (No memory powder) is mentioned in passing for the treatment of insomnia and impaired memory. It is mentioned that among the ingredients are Ren Shen, Yuan Zhi and Shi Chang Pu. My questions are: 1. From whence cometh this formula? 2. What are the other ingredients and dosages and 3. These are the same ingredients as Ding Zhi Wan (minus Fu Ling). Is this just another name for the same formula? > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. <http://mail. <> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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