robb7thurston@...: Massive IBS caused by antiobiotics: ADV

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Hi Group,

 

Andrea wrote:

" Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule that

is enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. "

 

I have recently been wondering about this. Is it a good idea to take

probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus

reducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

 

 

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It appears several decades ago, doctors routinely prescribed probiotics at the

same time anti-biotics were given. I'm not sure why the practise stopped....I

can't remember why, but it was perhaps some odd research.

 

Greg Livingston <drlivingston wrote: Hi Group,

 

Andrea wrote:

" Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule that

is enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. "

 

I have recently been wondering about this. Is it a good idea to take

probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus

reducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac.

PR China, 310002

Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou

Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602

mobile: 86-571-8171-2217

http://www.myspace.com/doclivy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hmmm... interesting question, Greg. I have no idea - does anyone else?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Greg Livingston <drlivingston wrote: Hi Group,

 

Andrea wrote:

" Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule that

is enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. "

 

I have recently been wondering about this. Is it a good idea to take

probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus

reducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

 

 

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As a veterinarian, any time a broad spectrum anti-biotic was dispensed,like

Clavamox (Augmentin), I always made sure the patient was on probiotics. Also,

Clindamycin if they developed diarrhea.Any time any stress was showing up as

disease, I also dispense probiotics.Interesting that the appendix is now known

for its

supplying the gut with the " needed flora or bacteria for the

gut " .Sincerely,Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

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Massive IBS caused by antiobiotics: ADV

 

 

 

 

Hmmm... interesting question, Greg. I have no idea - does anyone else?Andrea

BethGreg Livingston <drlivingston wrote: Hi Group,Andrea

wrote: " Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule thatis

enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. " I have recently been

wondering about this. Is it a good idea to takeprobiotics when taking an

antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, atleast in part, " spent " on killing the

probiotic bacteria, thusreducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack

the bacteriait's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about

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No, the probiotic is merely the ‘good bacteria’ that lives naturally in your

body all the time. What happens is that the antibiotic often changes the ph

balance in your body and allows ‘bad things to grow’ for example, a woman’s

vagina should be acidic. When you take an antibiotic the ph changes to more

alkaline and a yeast infection can occur. Put another way Most women have

the fungi responsible for yeast infection in their vagina, but the normal

acidic environment prevents overgrowth and symptoms. Antibiotics, pregnancy,

menstruation, oral contraceptives, and diabetes are some of the factors that

can alter the normal pH and result in a yeast infection

 

 

 

THAT SAID

 

 

 

During antibiotic therapy, taking probiotics as well keeps the intestinal

flora in proper balance. They can be taken together, but not at the same

time of day. In order for the probiotics to be the most effective, they

should be taken at least two hours after each dose of antibiotic. When the

treatment has been completed, double or triple the probiotic supplements for

about ten days or two weeks. Probiotics should be taken with food or shortly

after eating as food dilutes the stomach acids enough for them to survive

their trip through to the intestines where they belong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Beth Damsky

Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:37 AM

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Re: Re: robb7thurston: Massive IBS caused by

antiobiotics: ADV

 

 

 

Hmmm... interesting question, Greg. I have no idea - does anyone else?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Greg Livingston <drlivingston <drlivingston%40gmail.com> >

wrote: Hi Group,

 

Andrea wrote:

" Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule that

is enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. "

 

I have recently been wondering about this. Is it a good idea to take

probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus

reducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac.

PR China, 310002

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Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602

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Just testing I don’t seem to see my posts does anyone?

 

 

 

No, the probiotic is merely the ‘good bacteria’ that lives naturally in your

body all the time. What happens is that the antibiotic often changes the ph

balance in your body and allows ‘bad things to grow’ for example, a woman’s

vagina should be acidic. When you take an antibiotic the ph changes to more

alkaline and a yeast infection can occur. Put another way Most women have

the fungi responsible for yeast infection in their vagina, but the normal

acidic environment prevents overgrowth and symptoms. Antibiotics, pregnancy,

menstruation, oral contraceptives, and diabetes are some of the factors that

can alter the normal pH and result in a yeast infection

 

 

 

THAT SAID

 

 

 

During antibiotic therapy, taking probiotics as well keeps the intestinal

flora in proper balance. They can be taken together, but not at the same

time of day. In order for the probiotics to be the most effective, they

should be taken at least two hours after each dose of antibiotic. When the

treatment has been completed, double or triple the probiotic supplements for

about ten days or two weeks. Probiotics should be taken with food or shortly

after eating as food dilutes the stomach acids enough for them to survive

their trip through to the intestines where they belong.

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

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Beth Damsky

Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:37 AM

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Re: Re: robb7thurston: Massive IBS caused by

antiobiotics: ADV

 

 

 

Hmmm... interesting question, Greg. I have no idea - does anyone else?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Greg Livingston <drlivingston@ <drlivingston%40gmail.com> gmail.com>

wrote: Hi Group,

 

Andrea wrote:

" Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule that

is enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. "

 

I have recently been wondering about this. Is it a good idea to take

probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus

reducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

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HI Greg

 

Greg Livingston <drlivingston wrote: Hi Group,

Is it a good idea to take probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't

the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus reducing

the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

 

Since there are many different kinds of antibiotics utilizing 5

different sites of action...as well as many different types of organsims

in the intestinal flora (both gram negative and gram positive)...it's

not clear to what degree any given antibiotic would actually interact

with intestinal microbes...and what effect it might have on the

half-life (which is mostly affected by metabolic pathways and renal

function)

 

However, if you have concerns about affecting the half-life...you might

try eating foods rich in inulin (jerusalem artichokes, chicory root are

great examples) or inulin can be purchased as a nutritional supplement

fairly cheaply...(though IMO it's always better to get things from real

food and there are plenty of good sources). Inulin is not digested so it

won't make you fat...and is ok for diabetics...it seems to help with

calcium-absorption...AND it provides food for the intestinal flora...I

think I'll eat some now...

 

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I see your posts all the time, Nancy, though for some reason I had to make sure

they didn't end up in my spam filter for a while.

 

 

 

Nancy Tice <nancy wrote:

 

Just testing I don’t seem to see my posts does anyone?

 

 

 

No, the probiotic is merely the ‘good bacteria’ that lives naturally in your

body all the time. What happens is that the antibiotic often changes the ph

balance in your body and allows ‘bad things to grow’ for example, a woman’s

vagina should be acidic. When you take an antibiotic the ph changes to more

alkaline and a yeast infection can occur. Put another way Most women have

the fungi responsible for yeast infection in their vagina, but the normal

acidic environment prevents overgrowth and symptoms. Antibiotics, pregnancy,

menstruation, oral contraceptives, and diabetes are some of the factors that

can alter the normal pH and result in a yeast infection

 

 

 

THAT SAID

 

 

 

During antibiotic therapy, taking probiotics as well keeps the intestinal

flora in proper balance. They can be taken together, but not at the same

time of day. In order for the probiotics to be the most effective, they

should be taken at least two hours after each dose of antibiotic. When the

treatment has been completed, double or triple the probiotic supplements for

about ten days or two weeks. Probiotics should be taken with food or shortly

after eating as food dilutes the stomach acids enough for them to survive

their trip through to the intestines where they belong.

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea

Beth Damsky

Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:37 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Re: robb7thurston: Massive IBS caused by

antiobiotics: ADV

 

 

 

Hmmm... interesting question, Greg. I have no idea - does anyone else?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Greg Livingston gmail.com>

wrote: Hi Group,

 

Andrea wrote:

" Prophylactically, I took a wide-spectrum lactobacillus capsule that

is enterically-coated, with each dose of antibiotics. "

 

I have recently been wondering about this. Is it a good idea to take

probiotics when taking an antibiotic? Wouldn't the antibiotic be, at

least in part, " spent " on killing the probiotic bacteria, thus

reducing the amount of antibiotic remaining to attack the bacteria

it's meant to be attacking? Anyone have any idea about this?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac.

PR China, 310002

Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou

Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602

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