RE: M.D.s as allies not enemies - the strategy

[Guest guest]

Ah I had a really long reply written and it got wiped out. I think your

ideas are great. I already do some writing and have some connections but I

think contacting the media is a great idea and I think probably before

graduation is a good idea just for awareness sake, when I have enough

knowledge to write and interview.

 

I know I could never pass those presentations of 100 hour trained people and

not say anything, but then I had an attenting when I was an intern with a

photgraphic memory and he would recite the kreb cycle and other nonsense on

rounds, yes he was brilliant because he had a photographic memory, the

problem was after I saw patients with him I didn't know how to take care of

them any better than before rounds, unlike the other attendings who taught

so much or heard murmers I didn't and then placed the stethescope in the

right spot so we (all the interns/residents) could hear. THAT was learning.

Well since I was only doing a year of medicine I said something to that

effect. It didn't go over too well, but my department backed me up. It was

like the emporor with no clothes! I guess that's how these 100 hour people

are.

 

 

 

It's like this holistic psychiatrist who has a radio show and writes books.

She has some good things to say but nothing radical but she also puts down

people and not justifiably. She starts with this example of how someone is

misdiagnosed with panic disorder. Well almost every patient with anxiety

I've ever met says 'I get panic attacks' because they think anxiety=panic

attacks. When you sit them down and go through the questions they often

realize that's not it. (obviously some do have them) So she goes through

that list of questions on her radio show making her look like she is a

genius and all other doctors/psychiatrists look like idiots and she says

'the patient had ocd and we worked on it and changed his medication and now

he is all better'. I felt like I did when I was listening to that

attending. She spent way too much time talking about how wonderful she was

in that situation and not nearly enough time talking about what people can

do to help themselves. She could have spent more time talking about natural

supplements that work as well as prescription medications, etc, things to do

for yourself to shorten the need for psychotherapy or how to find someone

qualified, etc Very unlike other speakers like C. Northrup MD who has a TCM

practioner in her practice full time and talks about how to help yourself.

 

 

 

My DO is awesome. I wish more people understood. Some confuse it with the

Chiropractor and it's a different science (plust I got my flu shot last time

I was there). I go fairly regularly for my back and headaches and he has

been kind of like a family doc since I haven't been to anyone else in ages

except the gyn. My daughter sees him when she has a riding injury (she'll be

9 in December)

 

 

 

Anyway great suggestions and maybe in time things will get better. One thing

you won't stop is someone taking a course to make a quick buck. If they can

practice acupucture after a short weekend course and add income to their

practice... well. sigh. Don't even ask me about the horror story of the

internal medicine doctor who did routine vaginal ultrasounds on patients

(huh? Why? No clue?) and waited for them to pile up for a week and then sent

them to be read by a radiology group. He relied on the technician to screen

them. On one she took a last menstrual period date as having been 2 days

before the exam. The film wasn't read for 2 weeks. Inbetween the time the

sono was done and read a deformed baby was born. Obviously all kinds of

things went wrong here, history, exam, why was this doctor doing the sonos

exept to bill for an extra proceedure, did this tech take the right history

or did her history get mixed up with someone elses? If there was a formed

skull on the sonogram did this woman not know at all she was pregnant?

Anyway major lawsuit! All for the extra bucks from the ultrasounds in the

office he had no place doing!

 

So it's not just the acupuncture courses. Turf wars abound in medicine!

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Benjamin

Hawes, L.Ac.

Monday, October 08, 2007 12:15 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: M.D.s as allies not enemies - the strategy

 

 

 

Nancy -

Just wanted to say that your attitude is awesome, and I am really happy

that there ARE many MD's and DO's who take the art seriously - when I

get acupuncture myself, it's by a DO, who's also my family physician.

 

In terms of strategy, what we need is to get you folks on the air

telling people when these stories come up to only go to NCCAOM (or

California's Board's) certified practioners. When you get your training,

start making contacts with local media. Let them know you are available

for comment when one of these stories comes up. Ask who the health

reporter is. Even offer to pen a free guest column or something, or

offer yourself as an interview subject. They will love that you are an

MD. If you can do this, then you will influence a whole lot of potential

acupuncture patients to go to the right practitioners. Thanks for you

hard work and dedication.

 

-Ben Hawes, L.Ac.

 

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Sat Oct 6, 2007 7:47 pm (PST)

 

Touche, so how do you propose to fight? Whinning isn't going to do it,

being disjointed as a group isn't going to do it. There are a lot of

closed

minds out there. I am third generation western medicine, my niece who is

about to graduate will be 4th generation. I am going to take so much

******

flack to going into a TCM program, there will be jokes galore for

who knows

how long, but I am strong inside and strong in my beliefs so I will

be able

to handle it. I already see the reaction on collegues faces when I tell

them, some think it's great and others you would think I had personally

betrayed them. But what is the answer? And how do you stop the 100 hour

weekend programs? I see them advertised in the health papers

(actually I see

more like 500 hour programs) and then I look at the fact that I

won't touch

a needle near a person for almost 2 years and it makes me fume with

anger.

However there is a nationwide exam and certification. Those 100 hour

people

can't possible meet the requirements to sit for that exam.

 

Does the exam give you the ability to say you have particular

certification?

If so it becomes also a matter of patient education.

 

There are some battles against the institution of medicine you will

probably

not win, though the walls are crumbling a bit with 'new discoveries'

they

are making about the mind body connection LOL. The journals are

starting to

fill with such articles. They write like they have discovered some new

revolutionary idea instead of something that has been known for

1000's of

years.

 

I truly believe in the person who said you need to take pride in

your work

and believe in what you do and people will come to you.

 

The problem becomes when people go for acupuncture by someone poorly

trained

and it doesn't work and then they declare it a 'bad treatment' I

have heard

this from patients often.