snoring??

[Guest guest]

Has anyone had any experience using acupuncture and herbs to address snoring?

I have not met the patient in person, but I do know:

it is chronic issue

he is NOT overweight

he does not have a deviated septum..

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Bess

[Guest guest]

Hi Bess,

I had treated a few snoring patients who had no illness. My

principal treatment was aiming at Du chnl, level with UB15 ,

indicating or connecting with the Heart meridian or organ. This has

brought instant result. For long-lived effect , herbs should be added.

I view this case a blockage of Qi ( Qi stagnation )in the throat or

the weakness of epiglottis which may not open itself properly when

people are at rest. THe sound and noise are the vibration ( wind, the

breath ) moves the epiglottis up to exchange air, somehow, it is too

heavy to lift up by the inthernal air ( wind ) and with the friction

it makes noise.

The Heart meridian ascends from the heart up to the throat to

piglottis ( epi_ upon, around + glottis_ little tonuge )and to our

tongue............... Hey , my crazy view here has helped me !!!!!!

Furthermore, Heart is the fire element and presents in upperjiao,

upper body. Fire moves very quickly and strong, also generates strong

and powerful wind making a lot of noise.

AGAIN, aim at your Qi and do not side track. If QI is moving

without blockage or stagnation and friction, there will be no sound (

snoring ).

WM ( Western Medicine ) point of view as a sinuses problem ( the

blockage of sinuses. epiglottectomy is the treatment.

If our patient is weak or in deficiency case, Qi tonification must

be added.

ANY INPUT ARE WELCOME !!!!!!!!!!!

 

Nam Nguyen

 

GOOD LUCK !

[Guest guest]

Hi Bettyg,

I have never had experience as such treating someone for snoring as it

tends not to be a disease, unless of course it keeps oneself awake or

places train on a relationship by keeping others awake!

However it is cited as being caused in TCM by various forms of

phlegm. That is to say mainly, Phlegm heat, Damp phlegm, dry phlegm

all in the lungs or just phlegm with Lung and Spleen deficiency.

Remember though that in TCM a sign or symptom on its own is useless.

Let's see a pattern/syndrome first.

Dan

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " bessyg7 "

<bessyg7 wrote:

>

> Has anyone had any experience using acupuncture and herbs to address

snoring?

> I have not met the patient in person, but I do know:

> it is chronic issue

> he is NOT overweight

> he does not have a deviated septum..

> Any insight would be appreciated.

> Thank you,

> Bess

>

[Guest guest]

bess,

while an intern, my supervisor treated snoring

with e-stim at si shen cong.

 

i don't recall the settings or the outcome as i

rotated out of the clinic shortly after.

 

not much info for you, but thought i'd share

what i had.

 

jean

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

Snoring is not a disease such as phelgm, damp or blood

stagnation... Beside, there is no harm in snoring, but there are those

who know they are snoring really need help if you ask them. I have

seen and heard at least 5 out of 10 need treatment if you ask them.

Snoring is sometimes a reason for a spouse who denies to share his

/ her bed with another.........

 

Nam Nguyen

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr Nam Nguyen,

Just interested to ask where you are and who you are. You seem to have

a huge vat of knowledge in your brain. Love sharing it with you!

Do you have any comments on the 'eye-to-eye' case i posted. I'm seeing

this lady this morning and still no great revelations.

Thanks Dan

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 "

<dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

>

> Hi Dan,

> Snoring is not a disease such as phelgm, damp or blood

> stagnation... Beside, there is no harm in snoring, but there are those

> who know they are snoring really need help if you ask them. I have

> seen and heard at least 5 out of 10 need treatment if you ask them.

> Snoring is sometimes a reason for a spouse who denies to share his

> / her bed with another.........

>

> Nam Nguyen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Meant to respond to this earlier....main western reasons for snoring are

overweight, sleep apnea, and prolapsed uvula (hanging down thingy in the back of

throat). As usual treat what you see, but have seen phlegm (overweight), and

spleen qi failure to hold...best success has been with the spleen qi def and

have used Bu zhong yi qi wan and reishi mushroom caps (ling zhi). after about 2

weeks usually see about 50% improvement reported by spouse and patient...for

over weight no real progress unless they lose weight.

Bob

www.acuherbals.com

 

corotcm <corotcm wrote:

Hi Dr Nam Nguyen,

Just interested to ask where you are and who you are. You seem to have

a huge vat of knowledge in your brain. Love sharing it with you!

Do you have any comments on the 'eye-to-eye' case i posted. I'm seeing

this lady this morning and still no great revelations.

Thanks Dan

 

Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 "

<dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

>

> Hi Dan,

> Snoring is not a disease such as phelgm, damp or blood

> stagnation... Beside, there is no harm in snoring, but there are those

> who know they are snoring really need help if you ask them. I have

> seen and heard at least 5 out of 10 need treatment if you ask them.

> Snoring is sometimes a reason for a spouse who denies to share his

> / her bed with another.........

>

> Nam Nguyen

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Building a website is a piece of cake.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

There are so many people with skinny frames have snoring problem.

The statistic of WM , most of them are overweight, is a figure they

pick it out from the air. I do not believe them! There are also too

many false statistics......... We have to observe and ask to find out.

They, MD, may only ask patients in hospitals who are overweight.

Let's look at this one : Most patient of high blood pressure should

lose their weight. DO they know that there are so many people with

high blood pressure are underweight........ Other cases in diabetes, "

They should lose weights and do exercise. I observe and see too many

people with diabetes are so tired, exhausted and underweight. HOw can

they do exercise " where are the energies ? " . Their frames are too

small and skinny " How can they lose weight ? " ...........

Those facts are just references we must not overlook. Beside, those

overweight people are easier to convince them that their bodies are

all the causes and we all know that the weight has an attribute.

If you have success in your works, no matter in what field,

allegeries, pain , stress, go on and develop it. Study more in WM

pathology and diagnosis and interpret them in your own TCM you will

find more interesting in practice. But do not blindly based on WM

statistics : Today tomatoes are healthy, tomorrow they cause certain

cancer, the next day they are healthy food...... THis is garbage !!!

YOu have found new way to treat snoring ! I am proud of you.

I often base all kinds of illnesses are the cause of Qi disharmony

according to TCM, nothing special.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Nam Nguyen

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Bob Linde, AP,

Herbalist " <boblindeherbalist wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> Meant to respond to this earlier....main western reasons for

snoring are overweight, sleep apnea, and prolapsed uvula (hanging down

thingy in the back of throat). As usual treat what you see, but have

seen phlegm (overweight), and spleen qi failure to hold...best success

has been with the spleen qi def and have used Bu zhong yi qi wan and

reishi mushroom caps (ling zhi). after about 2 weeks usually see about

50% improvement reported by spouse and patient...for over weight no

real progress unless they lose weight.

> Bob

> www.acuherbals.com

>

> corotcm <corotcm wrote:

> Hi Dr Nam Nguyen,

> Just interested to ask where you are and who you are. You seem to have

> a huge vat of knowledge in your brain. Love sharing it with you!

> Do you have any comments on the 'eye-to-eye' case i posted. I'm seeing

> this lady this morning and still no great revelations.

> Thanks Dan

>

> Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 "

> <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Dan,

> > Snoring is not a disease such as phelgm, damp or blood

> > stagnation... Beside, there is no harm in snoring, but there are those

> > who know they are snoring really need help if you ask them. I have

> > seen and heard at least 5 out of 10 need treatment if you ask them.

> > Snoring is sometimes a reason for a spouse who denies to share his

> > / her bed with another.........

> >

> > Nam Nguyen

> >

 

> Building a website is a piece of cake.

> Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

First , I must thanks you for your ineterst in my views.

Because of your interest in eye-to-eye, here is my view.

Female age 65, has dry and irritated eyes, worse with certain oils of

nuts, seeds and meats as well as with oil application. Blood test

revealsed toxicity of arsenic and tin. Progesterone was used in

therapy…. Dry hair, dry skin and brittle ridge nails, underweight,

poor muscle tone on upper limbs, constipation with dry stool difficult

to pass, incomplete evacuation , nightly fever but not sweating, dry

mouth and throat in early morning, yellow urine with strong smell …

Red veins in eyes, slightly muddy / yellow appearance with good shen…

Noses blocked with thich yellow phlegm and cleared up after being up

for a while, dry lips and little peeled, pale complexion/sallow with

smal red blotches scattered over cheeks….. Symptoms worse with despair

or down-spirit….. The problem has gotten worse over 10 years, history

of hepatitis at young age, poor relationship with parents at

childhood, heavy dark red blood but painless.

Pulse 68 / minute, slow and very slight wiry choppy, overall are

weak… Thin white tongue coat and somehow dry with bluish-purple tongue

 

Most females age 65 in U.S are considered healthy if all

conditions and lifestyles are adaptable.

Somehow, these people have passed their menopause, a lot of changes in

their bodies and minds. Their physical bodies have also been

underchanged especially the hormones in adrenal cortex ( Ki-yang,

remember cortex_cover , the outside " Yang producing corticosteroids,

steroids … something relates to corti…. ) and adrenal medulla (

Kid-yin, adrenal medulla_ medu_ middle, inside " yin " produce

progesterone, estrogen, adrenalin, aldosterones……. )

At this age, TCM , kid yang and kid yin are declining, but not

that bad in U.S.

Ki ( Yin-Yang ) the life source begins at Mingmen Fire, the root of

all changes, and the activities of all nature.

Yin deficiency will show any signs above as dry eyes, dry mouth,

dry skin, dry nails, dry hairs….. Thin or thready pulse with speed….

In this case the pulse is slow ( actually normal if 68/min ) which

means there should be no heat !!!!!!!! If there is no heat, then there

is no Yin Def !!! This must be body fluids def or Blood def.

Blood def will yield all signs of Yin def except of heat, and fast

pulse… underweight ( blood and jing def ), poor muscle tones, not

enough energy ( Qi def ) to evacuate wastes.

Nose blocked with yellow phlegm and no cough ( rare… usually

phlegm comes from Lungs ), getting better after being up for a while (

indicating Qi stagnation, must move or in action to get better

)……..All other symptoms are Blood deficiency signs.

 

Arsenic or tin poisoning can cause all kinds of the above the

patient has, and reveals serious fatal signs depend upon its level………

This must be taken in consideration !

Before concluding this is Blood deficiency with Qi deficiency in

this case we must eliminate all other problems. " Is she or has she

taken any medication ? " . Perhaps those medications produce problems

gradually, especially progesterine or estrogine " synthetic hormones

" . BE SURE all toxemia are free ( no more arsenic nor tin in blood ).

In my view, I must take care first at Qi……….. Eventhough Qi does

not evidently a strong point or a strong key. But to me , it is all

the causes.

If Qi is weak there is no transformation of Qi, Blood and body

fluids. Blood , Jing and body fluids cannot be transformed into Qi by

themselves……. Tonify Qi and eat certain food which can be transformed

into blood to nourish all tissues, organs and skins…

Only Qi can evacuate waste and this Qi must be free of flow….

Strong smell and dark urine might be the cause of certain vitamins,

medications ( Be sure it is not internal heat, but chemically reacted

) …… Yellow sclera in the eye " damp in SP, but no manifestation. I

can eliminate this. " History of hepatitis……… Hepatitis can stay

dormant for 30-35 years and reactivate after that. This is a serious

business!!!!!!!!!! Must have her recheck with MD to take care of this

matter... DO NOT IGNORE THIS POINT !

Wiry choppy pulse " indicate not enough blood in artery, Blood def…

and not enough flow " …………..

WHAT ORGANS SHOULD I AIM ??? The prenatal Qi ( Liv-Ki ).

This is Blood deficieny taking root from Kid and Liv. There was no

signs of headaches, confusion nor depression which means the Shen has

not been affected, not spreading far enough…

Kid is the root of Marrow, Jing and hormones, but the manufacture

is at the Liver……

Liver manufactures all kinds of chemical reactions and the site

of all materials are being made " glucose, glycerine, triglycerine,

cholesterols - HDL and LDL -, hemoglobins, RBC, WBC, T4 , T5 … and all

hormones no matter it is secreted from pancreas, pituitary glands,

hypothalamus glands, thyroid glands, salivary glands, thymus glands,

lymphs, adrenals………………………….. )

Tonify the liver is tonify the Kidneys ( Blood, yin-yang, Jing,

shen ). The Shen is rooted at the Kidney and manifests in Heart. Liver

Qi must be smooth, Kidney must be healthy to produce and store all

life energy… Please do not forget POSTNATAL QI ( SP-STO ).

I will choose first tonify Yang ( Mingmen fire ), Du 4 moxa. If

there is no moxa, no result, for all blood and jing are so

deficient……… pseudo heat will be subsided if moxa is applied. Moxa at

Du4 will revitalize all DNA and RNA ( the microstructure of life ).

Ren 4 and 6 can be accomodated……….. These 3 points are for the root,

preserving the life of the patient.

For dry eyes , I choose Liv3 ( regulate and smooth Liv Qi ) , Liv2

if there is heat symptom ( Live heat or fire ) otherwise, NO , NO……

sedate fire or heat means killing Qi………….. S36 ( I always use in case

of Qi def… and with no instant result ).

G41 ( for dry eyes… I sometimes used when there is no other symptoms,

with a remarked result )…

FORMULARS : First, I will prescribe Ba Wei Wan or Jin Gui Shen

Qi Wan in the morning, Liu Wei Shen Qi Wan or Liu Wei Di Huang in the

evening.... ( no matter which one is first , but it must be used 2

formulas in the same day. )

After 3 days : Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan in the morning , Shi Xuan Da Bu

or Ba Zhen Wan must be used……………….

I think ACU treatment can have definite effect here within 3

treatments, but usually one treatment will see some signs immediately…

HERBS ALSO MUST BE USED !

AGAIN, Thanks to you for your interest!

 

GOOD LUCK TO ALL,

 

Nam Nguyen

[Guest guest]

Aside from the spouse leaving the bed issues, snoring can prevent someone

from taking in enough air and it's often a sign of sleep apnea which is an

illness-oxygen levels drop in the blood while this is happening. Stopping

breathing multiple times per night can leave someone very tired during the

day. It is much more common in overweight people.

 

So maybe there is something you can do to clear up what's blocking their

breathing so they can avoid the cpap machine etc.

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

dr_namnguyen58

Monday, October 08, 2007 12:16 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: snoring??

 

 

 

Hi Dan,

Snoring is not a disease such as phelgm, damp or blood

stagnation... Beside, there is no harm in snoring, but there are those

who know they are snoring really need help if you ask them. I have

seen and heard at least 5 out of 10 need treatment if you ask them.

Snoring is sometimes a reason for a spouse who denies to share his

/ her bed with another.........

 

Nam Nguyen