apprenticeship and a note on the breach of security at CALE

[Guest guest]

Students will soon no longer able to sit for the CALE w/out attending

school. It is my understanding that the schools petitioned the board

for the ruling. I believe that unless a student has been accepted as

an apprentice for the past year they are ineligible.

 

I haven't seen post as yet. But i took the CALE test this last time

through, and there was what they are calling a " breach " of security.

We have not been told what the supposed breach is. We have been told

that will receive our scores within one to two months (after a month

of waiting), but they feel they have the right to make the test void

if they desire it and force us (all 700!) to take it again.

 

Regards, Tym

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

> The NCCAOM has posted a notice that is not going accept

apprenticeship as

> a route for eligibility after a certain date. CA does have a

provision that allows

> for this to take the CALE, but not many have passed. There is no

program but

> an individual working with a LAc and covering a certain amount of

material. CA

> has a set of reqs you can check out at the CAB website. Mike W.

Bowser, L Ac

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine ;

: : Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:32

-0700apprenticeship

>

>

>

>

> HI All,Yesterday I received a phone call from an acupuncture student

who would like to leave school and study as an apprentice. She called

me to see if I would work with her in this way. I found the call odd,

since it was out of the blue and I do not know this woman. I thought

perhaps others on these lists might have also received calls from her,

and I'm wondering if this is some sort of a scam. I'm also wondering

if anyone knows what the specific requirements are for learning as an

apprentice, or where I can find out about them. Lastly, my preference

would be to refer her to an existing program - do any of you know of

such programs?Thank you,,

L.Ac.Got a little couch potato? Check

out fun summer activities for kids.[Non-text portions of this message

have been removed]

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>

[Guest guest]

tim:

oh my god, that TOTALLY sucks. i'm so glad i went to NC and didn't have to

deal with that exam. you're in my thoughts. i hope they get this figured

out fast, and do not schedule a re-test.

 

sooo sorry,

 

kb

 

 

On 9/15/07, miracles28 <jellyphish wrote:

>

> Students will soon no longer able to sit for the CALE w/out attending

> school. It is my understanding that the schools petitioned the board

> for the ruling. I believe that unless a student has been accepted as

> an apprentice for the past year they are ineligible.

>

> I haven't seen post as yet. But i took the CALE test this last time

> through, and there was what they are calling a " breach " of security.

> We have not been told what the supposed breach is. We have been told

> that will receive our scores within one to two months (after a month

> of waiting), but they feel they have the right to make the test void

> if they desire it and force us (all 700!) to take it again.

>

> Regards, Tym

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> mike Bowser

> <naturaldoc1 wrote:

> >

> > The NCCAOM has posted a notice that is not going accept

> apprenticeship as

> > a route for eligibility after a certain date. CA does have a

> provision that allows

> > for this to take the CALE, but not many have passed. There is no

> program but

> > an individual working with a LAc and covering a certain amount of

> material. CA

> > has a set of reqs you can check out at the CAB website. Mike W.

> Bowser, L Ac

> >

> >

> > To:

Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> ;

> : : Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:32

> -0700apprenticeship

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > HI All,Yesterday I received a phone call from an acupuncture student

> who would like to leave school and study as an apprentice. She called

> me to see if I would work with her in this way. I found the call odd,

> since it was out of the blue and I do not know this woman. I thought

> perhaps others on these lists might have also received calls from her,

> and I'm wondering if this is some sort of a scam. I'm also wondering

> if anyone knows what the specific requirements are for learning as an

> apprentice, or where I can find out about them. Lastly, my preference

> would be to refer her to an existing program - do any of you know of

> such programs?Thank you,,

> L.Ac.Got a little couch potato? Check

> out fun summer activities for kids.[Non-text portions of this message

> have been removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________

> > Capture your memories in an online journal!

> >

http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM & loc=us<http://www.reallivemoms.com/?o\

cid=TXT_TAGHM & loc=us>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tym,

 

I am sorry to hear of the state of affairs with the CALE exam. I took that exam

in 2002 and remember it as a grueling experience. A breach of security usually

implies that some or all of the questions on the exam were " leaked " prior to

students taking it. I hope it all works out for you.

 

Thanks to everyone for your input about apprenticeship regulations. Indeed,

state regulations spell out what kinds of training are acceptable for licensure,

so contacting Pete at the Arizona Acupuncture Board (the state I currently

practice in) is the best idea. So far, this woman and I have been playing phone

tag, and we have a phone call scheduled for Sunday morning. I will encourage

her to look at the educational requirements for each state she is considering

practicing in, and also for the NCCAOM, before she invests herself in this

route. I haven't gotten her last name, but I believe, Christopher, this is the

same person who called you.

 

 

 

 

miracles28 <jellyphish wrote: Students will soon no longer able to

sit for the CALE w/out attending

school. It is my understanding that the schools petitioned the board

for the ruling. I believe that unless a student has been accepted as

an apprentice for the past year they are ineligible.

 

I haven't seen post as yet. But i took the CALE test this last time

through, and there was what they are calling a " breach " of security.

We have not been told what the supposed breach is. We have been told

that will receive our scores within one to two months (after a month

of waiting), but they feel they have the right to make the test void

if they desire it and force us (all 700!) to take it again.

 

Regards, Tym

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

wrote:

>

> The NCCAOM has posted a notice that is not going accept

apprenticeship as

> a route for eligibility after a certain date. CA does have a

provision that allows

> for this to take the CALE, but not many have passed. There is no

program but

> an individual working with a LAc and covering a certain amount of

material. CA

> has a set of reqs you can check out at the CAB website. Mike W.

Bowser, L Ac

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine ;

: : Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:32

-0700apprenticeship

>

>

>

>

> HI All,Yesterday I received a phone call from an acupuncture student

who would like to leave school and study as an apprentice. She called

me to see if I would work with her in this way. I found the call odd,

since it was out of the blue and I do not know this woman. I thought

perhaps others on these lists might have also received calls from her,

and I'm wondering if this is some sort of a scam. I'm also wondering

if anyone knows what the specific requirements are for learning as an

apprentice, or where I can find out about them. Lastly, my preference

would be to refer her to an existing program - do any of you know of

such programs?Thank you,,

L.Ac.Got a little couch potato? Check

out fun summer activities for kids.[Non-text portions of this message

have been removed]

_______________

> Capture your memories in an online journal!

> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM & loc=us

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tym,I can relate and was a part of the group that hired a law firm in 1996. Boy

was that informative.The NCCAOM will be eliminating its apprenticeship route in

2010. You can go to www.nccaom.org and open the pdf magazine on the home page.

Hope this helps. Sorry to hear about this stuff with CALE.

 

Apprenticeship is under the state (CA) statutes and therefore trumps a rule of

the board. They must change

this with a legislative amendment or bill, if I understand govt correctly.

There will also be a public posting

of any such change on the CAB website stating as much. Until this happens,

nothing has changed. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

: :

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:56:22 -0700Re: apprenticeship and a note on

the breach of security at CALE

 

 

 

Dear Tym,I am sorry to hear of the state of affairs with the CALE exam. I took

that exam in 2002 and remember it as a grueling experience. A breach of security

usually implies that some or all of the questions on the exam were " leaked "

prior to students taking it. I hope it all works out for you.Thanks to everyone

for your input about apprenticeship regulations. Indeed, state regulations spell

out what kinds of training are acceptable for licensure, so contacting Pete at

the Arizona Acupuncture Board (the state I currently practice in) is the best

idea. So far, this woman and I have been playing phone tag, and we have a phone

call scheduled for Sunday morning. I will encourage her to look at the

educational requirements for each state she is considering practicing in, and

also for the NCCAOM, before she invests herself in this route. I haven't gotten

her last name, but I believe, Christopher, this is the same person who called

you.miracles28 <jellyphish wrote: Students

will soon no longer able to sit for the CALE w/out attendingschool. It is my

understanding that the schools petitioned the boardfor the ruling. I believe

that unless a student has been accepted asan apprentice for the past year they

are ineligible.I haven't seen post as yet. But i took the CALE test this last

timethrough, and there was what they are calling a " breach " of security. We have

not been told what the supposed breach is. We have been toldthat will receive

our scores within one to two months (after a monthof waiting), but they feel

they have the right to make the test voidif they desire it and force us (all

700!) to take it again.Regards, Tym--- In

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowserwrote:>> The NCCAOM has

posted a notice that is not going acceptapprenticeship as> a route for

eligibility after a certain date. CA does have aprovision that allows> for this

to take the CALE, but not many have passed. There is noprogram but> an

individual working with a LAc and covering a certain amount ofmaterial. CA> has

a set of reqs you can check out at the CAB website. Mike W.Bowser, L Ac> > > To:

Chinese Traditional Medicine ;:

: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:32-0700apprenticeship> > > >

> HI All,Yesterday I received a phone call from an acupuncture studentwho would

like to leave school and study as an apprentice. She calledme to see if I would

work with her in this way. I found the call odd,since it was out of the blue and

I do not know this woman. I thoughtperhaps others on these lists might have also

received calls from her,and I'm wondering if this is some sort of a scam. I'm

also wonderingif anyone knows what the specific requirements are for learning as

anapprentice, or where I can find out about them. Lastly, my preferencewould be

to refer her to an existing program - do any of you know ofsuch programs?Thank

you,,L.Ac.Got a little couch

potato? Checkout fun summer activities for kids.[Non-text portions of this

messagehave been removed] > > > > > > >

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Tym,

 

As I mentioned in an earlier post, this will need to be done through

a change in statute, not a regulatory change. If legislation is

introduced and passed next year, the earliest that the program would

be eliminated is January 1, 2009. The board has indicated that it

would intend to grandfather any tutorial students in the program at

the time new legislation kicks in.

 

Also, this was not something that was initiated by the schools. The

topic arose without apparent external stimulus during California

Acupuncture Board strategic planning discussions earlier in the year.

 

--Bill.

--

Bill Mosca, LAc

San Francisco CA

mosca

 

 

On Sep 14, 2007, at 10:51 PM, miracles28 wrote:

 

> Students will soon no longer able to sit for the CALE w/out attending

> school. It is my understanding that the schools petitioned the board

> for the ruling. I believe that unless a student has been accepted as

> an apprentice for the past year they are ineligible.