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Has any one tried using homeopathic remedies swiped on to acu points before

needling or

needles first dipped in to homeopathics?

 

A friend had asked if this was ever practiced and if affective. I know of the

use of injected

homeopathics, but this idea is a far more subtle one and he was looking more for

non-pain

related experiences.

 

David Botton

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In theory, it should work.

Classically, when oral administration isn't possible,

methods including spraying the face, or rubbing the

liquid rx on areas of skin are utilized.

Another method is to take the remedy by mouth at the

very time of the acupuncture treatment.

Strict-classical homeopaths are against any kind of

energetic treatment, or certain foods and odors, while

using homeopathic medicine... Regardless of the method

used, if the remedy is appropriate, it will work.

D. T.

--- David Botton <david wrote:

 

> Has any one tried using homeopathic remedies swiped

> on to acu points before needling or

> needles first dipped in to homeopathics?

>

> A friend had asked if this was ever practiced and if

> affective. I know of the use of injected

> homeopathics, but this idea is a far more subtle one

> and he was looking more for non-pain

> related experiences.

>

> David Botton

>

>

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David,

Why do we have to dip our needles into homeopathics ? This is

ridiculous and it may generate some kinds of problem in the future.

If everything goes well, thing is OK. If something happens we have no

way out. We are not allowed to do this I believed.

I had treated so many acuphobiac. None of them has complained of

needle inducing pain so far.

HERE IS THE APPROACH. I had never used more than 2 needles for a

treatment no matter how severe the case is. Because this is an

introductory of treatment. Even though I could have used more than 2,

but this is my limit..... This is not an important point.

To minimize the pain when we insert a needle. First, find out a

point which does not cause pain or startle such as abdominal point or

S 36, LI 11, Du 20 or G34. Avoid sensitive points such as LI4 , H7 ,

P6 , points on extremities are sensitive.

Then when we insert a needle, use a guiding tube if you are not an

expert. Stroke the tail of a needle gently with slight force, the

needle will penetrate the skin gently. This is the most important

technique. It will not cause pain. Besides, stay away from the

injured area. Don't insert a needle directly into an injured or

damaged area, avoiding infection and pain.

I 've seen acupuncturists showed off their talent. They insert

needle very quickly with strength, their patient said " Ouch ! " .

They replied, " Good Qi. You see ! " I think they are idiots. Others

twist and push neddele in very with great force. This is a dumb

method.

I look at Qi as a source of life and it must be treated with great

love and care. It is not only help you and your patients, but this Qi

I think will follow your commands because it trusts you.

 

 

Thanks for paying attention.

Nam Nguyen

 

 

Chinese Medicine , David Tarlo

<d1tarlo wrote:

>

> In theory, it should work.

> Classically, when oral administration isn't possible,

> methods including spraying the face, or rubbing the

> liquid rx on areas of skin are utilized.

> Another method is to take the remedy by mouth at the

> very time of the acupuncture treatment.

> Strict-classical homeopaths are against any kind of

> energetic treatment, or certain foods and odors, while

> using homeopathic medicine... Regardless of the method

> used, if the remedy is appropriate, it will work.

> D. T.

> --- David Botton <david wrote:

>

> > Has any one tried using homeopathic remedies swiped

> > on to acu points before needling or

> > needles first dipped in to homeopathics?

> >

> > A friend had asked if this was ever practiced and if

> > affective. I know of the use of injected

> > homeopathics, but this idea is a far more subtle one

> > and he was looking more for non-pain

> > related experiences.

> >

> > David Botton

> >

> >

>

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Nam,

 

It seems that there are two points here, scope of practice (and the

ethics that come with the territory), and scientific investigation.

 

It seems to me that these two things should be treated as utterly

distinct. Just because something is outside of one's provincial

scope of practice does not mean that it is not clinically valid.

 

For example, my state has a strong chiropractic lobby, and this

political voice has seen to it that acupuncturists are " by law, " not

allowed to do high velocity spinal adjustments. But these kinds of

treatments are well documented as an integral component of Chinese

Medicine and Tuina.

 

So, at hand is FIRST to determine if these homeopathinc treatments

have any clinical value. And only once that is clearly known should

we (in my opinion) worry about whether such treatments are permitted

and how they should be regulated for safety, etc.

 

I think it is a mistake to halt scientific inquiry because a new

treatment approach " sounds like trouble. " This is, in essence what

is happening to medicla stem-cell research in this country.

The " sounds like trouble " group is controlling the funding to

the " Let's subject this to scientific inquiry " group.

 

Just my two cents on this one.

 

David Karchmer (Not the OP, the other David)

 

--- In

Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 "

<dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

>

> David,

> Why do we have to dip our needles into homeopathics ? This is

> ridiculous and it may generate some kinds of problem in the

future.

> If everything goes well, thing is OK. If something happens we have

no

> way out. We are not allowed to do this I believed.

> I had treated so many acuphobiac. None of them has complained

of

> needle inducing pain so far.

> HERE IS THE APPROACH. I had never used more than 2 needles for

a

> treatment no matter how severe the case is. Because this is an

> introductory of treatment. Even though I could have used more than

2,

> but this is my limit..... This is not an important point.

> To minimize the pain when we insert a needle. First, find out a

> point which does not cause pain or startle such as abdominal point

or

> S 36, LI 11, Du 20 or G34. Avoid sensitive points such as LI4 ,

H7 ,

> P6 , points on extremities are sensitive.

> Then when we insert a needle, use a guiding tube if you are not

an

> expert. Stroke the tail of a needle gently with slight force, the

> needle will penetrate the skin gently. This is the most important

> technique. It will not cause pain. Besides, stay away from the

> injured area. Don't insert a needle directly into an injured or

> damaged area, avoiding infection and pain.

> I 've seen acupuncturists showed off their talent. They insert

> needle very quickly with strength, their patient said " Ouch ! " .

> They replied, " Good Qi. You see ! " I think they are idiots.

Others

> twist and push neddele in very with great force. This is a dumb

> method.

> I look at Qi as a source of life and it must be treated with

great

> love and care. It is not only help you and your patients, but this

Qi

> I think will follow your commands because it trusts you.

>

>

> Thanks for paying attention.

> Nam Nguyen

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , David Tarlo

> <d1tarlo@> wrote:

> >

> > In theory, it should work.

> > Classically, when oral administration isn't possible,

> > methods including spraying the face, or rubbing the

> > liquid rx on areas of skin are utilized.

> > Another method is to take the remedy by mouth at the

> > very time of the acupuncture treatment.

> > Strict-classical homeopaths are against any kind of

> > energetic treatment, or certain foods and odors, while

> > using homeopathic medicine... Regardless of the method

> > used, if the remedy is appropriate, it will work.

> > D. T.

> > --- David Botton <david@> wrote:

> >

> > > Has any one tried using homeopathic remedies swiped

> > > on to acu points before needling or

> > > needles first dipped in to homeopathics?

> > >

> > > A friend had asked if this was ever practiced and if

> > > affective. I know of the use of injected

> > > homeopathics, but this idea is a far more subtle one

> > > and he was looking more for non-pain

> > > related experiences.

> > >

> > > David Botton

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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David,

I agree with you here. THis is a limit scope of practice for TCM

to incorporate any chemicals or any chemistry injecting into a

patient.

I had seen my father in-law " MD " injected Vitamin B complex

into a local pain -acupoint- for treating the stubborn case of

arthritis in my father. And the pain had gone away for more than 12

years. He had use vitamin B10 in other cases in acupoint.

With the current law here in CA, it is unwise for TCM to

experience this kind of treatment. But if it is allowed, I think MD

may have such an advantage over us for pain.

 

Thanks for spelling out the details.

 

Nam Nguyen

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " David Karchmer "

<acuprof wrote:

>

> Nam,

>

> It seems that there are two points here, scope of practice (and the

> ethics that come with the territory), and scientific investigation.

>

> It seems to me that these two things should be treated as utterly

> distinct. Just because something is outside of one's provincial

> scope of practice does not mean that it is not clinically valid.

>

> For example, my state has a strong chiropractic lobby, and this

> political voice has seen to it that acupuncturists are " by law, "

not

> allowed to do high velocity spinal adjustments. But these kinds of

> treatments are well documented as an integral component of Chinese

> Medicine and Tuina.

>

> So, at hand is FIRST to determine if these homeopathinc treatments

> have any clinical value. And only once that is clearly known should

> we (in my opinion) worry about whether such treatments are

permitted

> and how they should be regulated for safety, etc.

>

> I think it is a mistake to halt scientific inquiry because a new

> treatment approach " sounds like trouble. " This is, in essence what

> is happening to medicla stem-cell research in this country.

> The " sounds like trouble " group is controlling the funding to

> the " Let's subject this to scientific inquiry " group.

>

> Just my two cents on this one.

>

> David Karchmer (Not the OP, the other David)

>

> --- In

> Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 "

> <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote:

> >

> > David,

> > Why do we have to dip our needles into homeopathics ? This is

> > ridiculous and it may generate some kinds of problem in the

> future.

> > If everything goes well, thing is OK. If something happens we

have

> no

> > way out. We are not allowed to do this I believed.

> > I had treated so many acuphobiac. None of them has complained

> of

> > needle inducing pain so far.

> > HERE IS THE APPROACH. I had never used more than 2 needles for

> a

> > treatment no matter how severe the case is. Because this is an

> > introductory of treatment. Even though I could have used more

than

> 2,

> > but this is my limit..... This is not an important point.

> > To minimize the pain when we insert a needle. First, find out

a

> > point which does not cause pain or startle such as abdominal

point

> or

> > S 36, LI 11, Du 20 or G34. Avoid sensitive points such as LI4 ,

> H7 ,

> > P6 , points on extremities are sensitive.

> > Then when we insert a needle, use a guiding tube if you are

not

> an

> > expert. Stroke the tail of a needle gently with slight force, the

> > needle will penetrate the skin gently. This is the most important

> > technique. It will not cause pain. Besides, stay away from the

> > injured area. Don't insert a needle directly into an injured or

> > damaged area, avoiding infection and pain.

> > I 've seen acupuncturists showed off their talent. They insert

> > needle very quickly with strength, their patient said " Ouch ! " .

> > They replied, " Good Qi. You see ! " I think they are idiots.

> Others

> > twist and push neddele in very with great force. This is a dumb

> > method.

> > I look at Qi as a source of life and it must be treated with

> great

> > love and care. It is not only help you and your patients, but

this

> Qi

> > I think will follow your commands because it trusts you.

> >

> >

> > Thanks for paying attention.

> > Nam Nguyen

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine , David Tarlo

> > <d1tarlo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > In theory, it should work.

> > > Classically, when oral administration isn't possible,

> > > methods including spraying the face, or rubbing the

> > > liquid rx on areas of skin are utilized.

> > > Another method is to take the remedy by mouth at the

> > > very time of the acupuncture treatment.

> > > Strict-classical homeopaths are against any kind of

> > > energetic treatment, or certain foods and odors, while

> > > using homeopathic medicine... Regardless of the method

> > > used, if the remedy is appropriate, it will work.

> > > D. T.

> > > --- David Botton <david@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Has any one tried using homeopathic remedies swiped

> > > > on to acu points before needling or

> > > > needles first dipped in to homeopathics?

> > > >

> > > > A friend had asked if this was ever practiced and if

> > > > affective. I know of the use of injected

> > > > homeopathics, but this idea is a far more subtle one

> > > > and he was looking more for non-pain

> > > > related experiences.

> > > >

> > > > David Botton

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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