Stubborn acne with hormone problems and PCOS

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Dear Colleagues,

Can anyone help with the following:

Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

distribution. Initially responded to:

 

Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu cao,

xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang cao,

zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao, hai

zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

 

Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been very

stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to herbs,

skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

are slightly longer than usual.

 

Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat with

red edges.

 

Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your experiences

appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Lorraine Hodgkinson

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Lorraine,

 

What is PCOS?

 

 

 

herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers wrote: Dear Colleagues,

Can anyone help with the following:

Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

distribution. Initially responded to:

 

Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu cao,

xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang cao,

zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao, hai

zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

 

Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been very

stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to herbs,

skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

are slightly longer than usual.

 

Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat with

red edges.

 

Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your experiences

appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Lorraine Hodgkinson

 

 

 

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PCOS is Polycystic ovarian syndrome.

 

May

 

 

On 6/9/07 17:31, " " < wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Lorraine,

>

> What is PCOS?

>

>

>

> herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

> <herbsandhelpers%40.co.uk> > wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> Can anyone help with the following:

> Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

> controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

> papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

> distribution. Initially responded to:

>

> Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu cao,

> xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang cao,

> zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao, hai

> zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

>

> Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been very

> stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to herbs,

> skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

> are slightly longer than usual.

>

> Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat with

> red edges.

>

> Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your experiences

> appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson

>

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Ah, thank you. I hadn't seen the acronym before.

 

Andrea Beth

 

May Lucken-Ardjomande <maylucken wrote: PCOS is Polycystic

ovarian syndrome.

 

May

 

 

On 6/9/07 17:31, " " wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Lorraine,

>

> What is PCOS?

>

>

>

> herbsandhelpers

> > wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> Can anyone help with the following:

> Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

> controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

> papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

> distribution. Initially responded to:

>

> Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu cao,

> xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang cao,

> zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao, hai

> zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

>

> Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been very

> stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to herbs,

> skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

> are slightly longer than usual.

>

> Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat with

> red edges.

>

> Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your experiences

> appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson

>

> Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times

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I have had really good results with some of Giovanni

Maciocias formula protocols. There is an article in

Herbal Crossroads, April 2005, by Kan herb Co. on

PCOS. I have used the protocol for pcos patients and

have had great results in getting rid of their acne in

addition to the pcos.

--- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

wrote:

 

> Dear Colleagues,

> Can anyone help with the following:

> Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and

> endometriosis both

> controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem

> acne on face,

> papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and

> Lung heat type

> distribution. Initially responded to:

>

> Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu

> suo, yi mu cao,

> xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao,

> bai jiang cao,

> zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin,

> xia ku cao, hai

> zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

>

> Cleared for two weeks but then back to original

> problem and been very

> stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS

> responding well to herbs,

> skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to

> periods. which

> are slightly longer than usual.

>

> Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white

> greasy coat with

> red edges.

>

> Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of

> your experiences

> appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Lorraine,

 

I had come across a few serious cases of acne, but none was similar

to your cases. Somehow, you may look at my case and make a judgment

for your own.

A male patient, age 24, had serious acne for 12 years and have

antibiotics treatment daily. It was so serious that he could not touch

his face because of pain. All pimples were filled with pus and

odorous. I could smell it from 20ft away. The pimples were large and

filled up the whole face. It looked horrible, as a massage sandle. I

had never seen a second one like this.

This patient had a very bad breath ( may be from medication ), dry

skin, red itchy face. He could only splash water into his face, not

touching. Stayed away from all kinds of food recommended by his

dermatologist. Normal bowel movements, not cared about hot or cold

drinks. He was physically strong, healthy and clear mind, but he

tended to get angry easily . Thick Yellow dry coat, full slippery

pulses almost wiry.

After I diagnosed him and assured him that the treatment would

definitely have results within 5 days.

I think most of us would diagnose this as phlegm heat or dampheat

and give all kind of dampheat formula such as ( Ba Zheng Wan or Long

Dan Xie Gan Wan ).

I looked at it in different view. A chronic acne was treated with

antibiotics and not resolving the problem. If I viewed it as dampheat

or phlegm heat, I could have repeated the same treatment.

To me I thought the acne had been there for a long time and became

chronic and an internal illness. The internal heat may be the cause of

antibiotics " phlegm heat , not dampheat because the tongue was not

wet. Besides there was no heaviness sensation at all, no sweating... "

Pulses of full and slippery or wiry, I think because the patient was

robust and healthy no Jing ,essence or Qi and Blood deficiency.

The tendency to get angry easily I thought because the internal

body was too dry ( from antibiotics ), body fluids, Blood circulated

very bad. This circulation could easily cause those fluids became

toxic and caused acne.

ALl I had done is aiming at QI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regulated Qi. If Qi is healthy and moving properly without

obstruction, I think we are all fine. In order to regulate Qi, I must

tonify it and regulate it. To tonify Qi , it best to tonify Blood

because I think blood will slow it down and moistures it and help it

to deliver its nutrient to all body cells or organs and channels.

The formula was given was " Ba zhen Wan " , 30 pills each, 2x/day.

Surprisingly, 30 minutes later, he told me he could touch his face.

Next morning, he could rub his face. The third day, all pimples were

down 80%, and the 5th day were all gone.

 

NOTE : When I asked this patient to give me a chance to treat him.

He laughed at me with a despited look on his face, " I have been had

my case treated for more than 12 years and I do not believe anybody

who can treat this case. All my doctors said this is incurable, just

slow it down. And now you said that you can treat this within 5 days ?

Get lost ! " Eventhough he said so, he came to see in the next 3 days.

 

After 5 days, his face was completely clear, but the back and the

front shoulders was not cleared " the skin , it looked as bad as a

carpet " . The next formula was give " Jin Gui Shen QI Wan " 30 pills

in the morning, and " Shi Suan Da Bu " 30 pills in the evening. 3 days

later, it was cleared. He continued 2 more days.

The total days of treatments was 10, for face and shoulder. It

was a miracle. It was not me who treated him. I thought it was the one

behind the mystery. But this is the one special case. Please search

for more and ask yourself why it did the healing.

I used TCM analysis, but I looked at different angle. Should

anyone of us take a look at different angle instead of following the

crowd ?

 

Thanks,

 

Nam Nguyen

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Is there somewhere we can view or buy this article?

 

May

 

 

On 6/9/07 18:35, " Petra Buchanan " <petrabuchanan wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> I have had really good results with some of Giovanni

> Maciocias formula protocols. There is an article in

> Herbal Crossroads, April 2005, by Kan herb Co. on

> PCOS. I have used the protocol for pcos patients and

> have had great results in getting rid of their acne in

> addition to the pcos.

> --- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

> <herbsandhelpers%40.co.uk> >

> wrote:

>

>> > Dear Colleagues,

>> > Can anyone help with the following:

>> > Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and

>> > endometriosis both

>> > controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem

>> > acne on face,

>> > papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and

>> > Lung heat type

>> > distribution. Initially responded to:

>> >

>> > Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu

>> > suo, yi mu cao,

>> > xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao,

>> > bai jiang cao,

>> > zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin,

>> > xia ku cao, hai

>> > zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

>> >

>> > Cleared for two weeks but then back to original

>> > problem and been very

>> > stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS

>> > responding well to herbs,

>> > skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to

>> > periods. which

>> > are slightly longer than usual.

>> >

>> > Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white

>> > greasy coat with

>> > red edges.

>> >

>> > Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of

>> > your experiences

>> > appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

>> >

>> > Thanks in advance,

>> >

>> > Lorraine Hodgkinson

>> >

>> >

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I would call Kan Herbs, I know that they have all of

their articles on file and could probably e-mail or

send you the one you requested. They also have a good

one on endometriosis. If you can't get it from them

contact me and I can send you a copy.

--- May Lucken-Ardjomande <maylucken

wrote:

 

> Is there somewhere we can view or buy this article?

>

> May

>

>

> On 6/9/07 18:35, " Petra Buchanan "

> <petrabuchanan wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I have had really good results with some of

> Giovanni

> > Maciocias formula protocols. There is an article

> in

> > Herbal Crossroads, April 2005, by Kan herb Co. on

> > PCOS. I have used the protocol for pcos patients

> and

> > have had great results in getting rid of their

> acne in

> > addition to the pcos.

> > --- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

> > <herbsandhelpers%40.co.uk> >

> > wrote:

> >

> >> > Dear Colleagues,

> >> > Can anyone help with the

> following:

> >> > Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and

> >> > endometriosis both

> >> > controlled very well using vegan diet. Main

> problem

> >> > acne on face,

> >> > papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm)

> and

> >> > Lung heat type

> >> > distribution. Initially responded to:

> >> >

> >> > Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing,

> yan hu

> >> > suo, yi mu cao,

> >> > xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she

> cao,

> >> > bai jiang cao,

> >> > zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang

> qin,

> >> > xia ku cao, hai

> >> > zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

> >> >

> >> > Cleared for two weeks but then back to original

> >> > problem and been very

> >> > stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS

> >> > responding well to herbs,

> >> > skin not. Skin usually clears for one week

> prior to

> >> > periods. which

> >> > are slightly longer than usual.

> >> >

> >> > Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl

> white

> >> > greasy coat with

> >> > red edges.

> >> >

> >> > Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can

> think of

> >> > your experiences

> >> > appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do

> acu!

> >> >

> >> > Thanks in advance,

> >> >

> >> > Lorraine Hodgkinson

> >> >

> >> >

> >

> >

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Dear Petra,

Is it possible that you can email a copy of the article or

point me to a web rescource on this please.

 

Lorraine.

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Petra Buchanan

<petrabuchanan wrote:

>

> I have had really good results with some of Giovanni

> Maciocias formula protocols. There is an article in

> Herbal Crossroads, April 2005, by Kan herb Co. on

> PCOS. I have used the protocol for pcos patients and

> have had great results in getting rid of their acne in

> addition to the pcos.

> --- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nam,

I have noted your case and thank you for providing this

therapeutic insight for me. I am going to wait until I have all the

responses then consider the wholoe thing in the light of this case.

 

Thanks again,

 

Lorraine.

[Guest guest]

I just called Kan and they said that you would need to

call them at 831-438-9450 to request the copies mailed

to you. Otherwise I can make some copies and send them

via snail mail to you.

--- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

wrote:

 

> Dear Petra,

> Is it possible that you can email a copy

> of the article or

> point me to a web rescource on this please.

>

> Lorraine.

>

>

> Chinese Medicine ,

> Petra Buchanan

> <petrabuchanan wrote:

> >

> > I have had really good results with some of

> Giovanni

> > Maciocias formula protocols. There is an article

> in

> > Herbal Crossroads, April 2005, by Kan herb Co. on

> > PCOS. I have used the protocol for pcos patients

> and

> > have had great results in getting rid of their

> acne in

> > addition to the pcos.

> > --- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

> > wrote:

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Talk with your patient about their diet and lifestyle. In working with

patients with PCOS, diet is huge. If they are consuming even the smallest

quantities of dairy, refined flour, sugar, coffee, and chocolate then their

acne symptoms will likely not budge. Once the dampness has been cleared then

they can handle those foods in minimal amounts. Having them on a diet heavy

in brown rice, oats, garlic, onions, and radishes will help clear the skin,

too. You may be doing everything right, but the diet is the best medicine

for any Spleen disorder.

 

 

 

Good Luck!

 

 

 

 

 

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Low glycemic index is key for PCOS too. Takes at least a year for

the menstrual cylce to regulate, but I believe this dietary changes

are a must--herbs and acupuncture are not enough. Similar in that

way to diabetes and metabolic syndrome.

 

Chinese Medicine , " Lisa "

<lisa wrote:

>

>

>

> Talk with your patient about their diet and lifestyle. In working

with

> patients with PCOS, diet is huge. If they are consuming even the

smallest

> quantities of dairy, refined flour, sugar, coffee, and chocolate

then their

> acne symptoms will likely not budge. Once the dampness has been

cleared then

> they can handle those foods in minimal amounts. Having them on a

diet heavy

> in brown rice, oats, garlic, onions, and radishes will help clear

the skin,

> too. You may be doing everything right, but the diet is the best

medicine

> for any Spleen disorder.

>

>

>

> Good Luck!

>

>

>

>

>

> HYPERLINK " http://seasideacupuncture.com "

>

> Lisa Dunlevy M.Ac., L.Ac., Dipl. of Ac.

>

> HYPERLINK " http://seasideacupuncture.com " Seaside Acupuncture, LLC

>

> seasideacupuncture.com

>

> (843)259-9889

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Petra,

Thanks for this I'll give them a call.

 

Lorraine.

 

 

 

>

> I just called Kan and they said that you would need to

> call them at 831-438-9450 to request the copies mailed

> to you. Otherwise I can make some copies and send them

> via snail mail to you.

> --- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Petra,

> > Is it possible that you can email a copy

> > of the article or

> > point me to a web rescource on this please.

> >

> > Lorraine.

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine ,

> > Petra Buchanan

> > <petrabuchanan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have had really good results with some of

> > Giovanni

> > > Maciocias formula protocols. There is an article

> > in

> > > Herbal Crossroads, April 2005, by Kan herb Co. on

> > > PCOS. I have used the protocol for pcos patients

> > and

> > > have had great results in getting rid of their

> > acne in

> > > addition to the pcos.

> > > --- herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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lorraine:

 

i missed the orginial post about this, but according to dermatology in tcm

(the big yellow derm book), acne that flares in accordance with the

menstrual cycle is due to disregulation of the chong and ren. the book goes

on to give formulas and point prescriptions. i've been pleased with results

when i've followed the protocals given in the book.

 

hope this helps,

 

kath

 

 

On 9/6/07, < wrote:

>

> Lorraine,

>

> What is PCOS?

>

>

>

> herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers<herbsandhelpers%40.co.uk>>

> wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> Can anyone help with the following:

> Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

> controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

> papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

> distribution. Initially responded to:

>

> Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu cao,

> xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang cao,

> zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao, hai

> zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

>

> Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been very

> stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to herbs,

> skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

> are slightly longer than usual.

>

> Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat with

> red edges.

>

> Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your experiences

> appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson

>

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Dear Kath,

It seems I don't have this book could you outline some of

this for me? I'm trying to get as much info as possible before I go

further. Main formulas would be great with brief pattern description.

Wonderful that everyone is so helpful!

 

Lorraine.

 

 

> lorraine:

>

> i missed the orginial post about this, but according to dermatology

in tcm

> (the big yellow derm book), acne that flares in accordance with the

> menstrual cycle is due to disregulation of the chong and ren. the

book goes

> on to give formulas and point prescriptions. i've been pleased

with results

> when i've followed the protocals given in the book.

>

> hope this helps,

>

> kath

>

>

> On 9/6/07, < wrote:

> >

> > Lorraine,

> >

> > What is PCOS?

> >

> >

> >

> > herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers<herbsandhelpers%

40.co.uk>>

> > wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> > Can anyone help with the following:

> > Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

> > controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

> > papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

> > distribution. Initially responded to:

> >

> > Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu

cao,

> > xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang

cao,

> > zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao,

hai

> > zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

> >

> > Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been

very

> > stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to

herbs,

> > skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

> > are slightly longer than usual.

> >

> > Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat

with

> > red edges.

> >

> > Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your

experiences

> > appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Lorraine Hodgkinson

> >

> > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at

Times

> > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> >

> > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese

medicine

> > and acupuncture, click,

http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia

> >

> >

> >

and adjust

> > accordingly.

> >

> > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside

the group

> > requires prior permission from the author.

> >

> > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

absolutely

> > necessary.

> >

[Guest guest]

the book is at my clinic. i don't have an internet connection there. (i

email from my home-office). if you'ld like to call me there with your

fax number i'ld be happy to send the relevent pages to you. (828 258-2777)

 

k

 

 

On 9/11/07, herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers wrote:

>

> Dear Kath,

> It seems I don't have this book could you outline some of

> this for me? I'm trying to get as much info as possible before I go

> further. Main formulas would be great with brief pattern description.

> Wonderful that everyone is so helpful!

>

> Lorraine.

>

> > lorraine:

> >

> > i missed the orginial post about this, but according to dermatology

> in tcm

> > (the big yellow derm book), acne that flares in accordance with the

> > menstrual cycle is due to disregulation of the chong and ren. the

> book goes

> > on to give formulas and point prescriptions. i've been pleased

> with results

> > when i've followed the protocals given in the book.

> >

> > hope this helps,

> >

> > kath

> >

> >

> > On 9/6/07, < wrote:

> > >

> > > Lorraine,

> > >

> > > What is PCOS?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers<herbsandhelpers%

> 40.co.uk>>

> > > wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> > > Can anyone help with the following:

> > > Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis both

> > > controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on face,

> > > papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat type

> > > distribution. Initially responded to:

> > >

> > > Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu

> cao,

> > > xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang

> cao,

> > > zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku cao,

> hai

> > > zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

> > >

> > > Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and been

> very

> > > stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to

> herbs,

> > > skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods. which

> > > are slightly longer than usual.

> > >

> > > Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy coat

> with

> > > red edges.

> > >

> > > Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your

> experiences

> > > appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > > Lorraine Hodgkinson

> > >

> > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at

> Times

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > >

> > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese

> medicine

> > > and acupuncture, click,

> http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> and adjust

> > > accordingly.

> > >

> > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside

> the group

> > > requires prior permission from the author.

> > >

> > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> absolutely

> > > necessary.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kath,

Can you give me the full name/title and details of the book

please and maybe I can access it here in the UK.

 

Thanks,

 

Lorraine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Kath Bartlett,

MS, LAc " wrote:

> the book is at my clinic. i don't have an internet connection

there. (i

> email from my home-office). if you'ld like to call me there with

your

> fax number i'ld be happy to send the relevent pages to you. (828

258-2777)

>

> k

>

>

> On 9/11/07, herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kath,

> > It seems I don't have this book could you outline some of

> > this for me? I'm trying to get as much info as possible before I

go

> > further. Main formulas would be great with brief pattern

description.

> > Wonderful that everyone is so helpful!

> >

> > Lorraine.

> >

> > > lorraine:

> > >

> > > i missed the orginial post about this, but according to

dermatology

> > in tcm

> > > (the big yellow derm book), acne that flares in accordance with

the

> > > menstrual cycle is due to disregulation of the chong and ren.

the

> > book goes

> > > on to give formulas and point prescriptions. i've been pleased

> > with results

> > > when i've followed the protocals given in the book.

> > >

> > > hope this helps,

> > >

> > > kath

> > >

> > >

> > > On 9/6/07, <@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lorraine,

> > > >

> > > > What is PCOS?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers@<herbsandhelpers%

> > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> > > > Can anyone help with the following:

> > > > Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis

both

> > > > controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on

face,

> > > > papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat

type

> > > > distribution. Initially responded to:

> > > >

> > > > Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu

> > cao,

> > > > xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang

> > cao,

> > > > zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku

cao,

> > hai

> > > > zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

> > > >

> > > > Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and

been

> > very

> > > > stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to

> > herbs,

> > > > skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods.

which

> > > > are slightly longer than usual.

> > > >

> > > > Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy

coat

> > with

> > > > red edges.

> > > >

> > > > Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your

> > experiences

> > > > appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > >

> > > > Lorraine Hodgkinson

> > > >

> > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Chinese

Medicine

> > Times

> > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > > >

> > > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese

> > medicine

> > > > and acupuncture, click,

> > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

 

> > and adjust

> > > > accordingly.

> > > >

> > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication

outside

> > the group

> > > > requires prior permission from the author.

> > > >

> > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> > absolutely

> > > > necessary.

> > > >

[Guest guest]

sorry, didn't realize you were in the UK. it's dermatology in tcm by Xu

Yihou. here's the link from amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/104-4459578-3117561?initialSearch=1 & url=sear\

ch-alias%3Dstripbooks & field-keywords=dermatology+chinese+medicine

 

it's a very comprehensive book. i find it quite dependable and useful for

the derm cases that come into the clinic. i'll try to remember to look up

the info at the clinic so i can relay it to you.

 

good luck with it,

 

k

 

 

On 9/12/07, herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers wrote:

>

> Dear Kath,

> Can you give me the full name/title and details of the book

> please and maybe I can access it here in the UK.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Lorraine.

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " Kath Bartlett,

> MS, LAc " wrote:

> > the book is at my clinic. i don't have an internet connection

> there. (i

> > email from my home-office). if you'ld like to call me there with

> your

> > fax number i'ld be happy to send the relevent pages to you. (828

> 258-2777)

> >

> > k

> >

> >

> > On 9/11/07, herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kath,

> > > It seems I don't have this book could you outline some of

> > > this for me? I'm trying to get as much info as possible before I

> go

> > > further. Main formulas would be great with brief pattern

> description.

> > > Wonderful that everyone is so helpful!

> > >

> > > Lorraine.

> > >

> > > > lorraine:

> > > >

> > > > i missed the orginial post about this, but according to

> dermatology

> > > in tcm

> > > > (the big yellow derm book), acne that flares in accordance with

> the

> > > > menstrual cycle is due to disregulation of the chong and ren.

> the

> > > book goes

> > > > on to give formulas and point prescriptions. i've been pleased

> > > with results

> > > > when i've followed the protocals given in the book.

> > > >

> > > > hope this helps,

> > > >

> > > > kath

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 9/6/07, <@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lorraine,

> > > > >

> > > > > What is PCOS?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > herbsandhelpers <herbsandhelpers@<herbsandhelpers%

> > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > wrote: Dear Colleagues,

> > > > > Can anyone help with the following:

> > > > > Female 29 years old, long history of PCOS and endometriosis

> both

> > > > > controlled very well using vegan diet. Main problem acne on

> face,

> > > > > papules and macules, Yang Ming (with phlegm) and Lung heat

> type

> > > > > distribution. Initially responded to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gui Pi Tang, san leng, e zhu, tian nan xing, yan hu suo, yi mu

> > > cao,

> > > > > xiang fu, ban xia, zao jiao ci, bai hua she she cao, bai jiang

> > > cao,

> > > > > zhe bei mu, pu gong yong, zi hua di ding, huang qin, xia ku

> cao,

> > > hai

> > > > > zao, hai dai, bai zhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cleared for two weeks but then back to original problem and

> been

> > > very

> > > > > stubborn ever since, endometriosis and PCOS responding well to

> > > herbs,

> > > > > skin not. Skin usually clears for one week prior to periods.

> which

> > > > > are slightly longer than usual.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pulse: thready, sl slippery Tongue: Purple, sl white greasy

> coat

> > > with

> > > > > red edges.

> > > > >

> > > > > Help I'm stuck! I've tried everything I can think of your

> > > experiences

> > > > > appreciated. Please only herbs since I don't do acu!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lorraine Hodgkinson

> > > > >

> > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Chinese

> Medicine

> > > Times

> > > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese

> > > medicine

> > > > > and acupuncture, click,

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > > and adjust

> > > > > accordingly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication

> outside

> > > the group

> > > > > requires prior permission from the author.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> > > absolutely

> > > > > necessary.

> > > > >