Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. found in the section " herbs that stabililze and bind " sweet, salty, cool. stops sweating. nourishes heart. used for bedwetting in children. jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The reason it is calms shen is the same reason that it makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many people are addicted to it. --- Jean <greypal wrote: > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > bind " > > sweet, salty, cool. > stops sweating. > nourishes heart. > used for bedwetting in children. > > jean > > ______________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I don't follow your line of thinking here. First of all, what do you mean by being 'addicted' to it? Since bread for centuries has been considered to be the 'staff of life', it has been a mainstay of diet around the world. My observation is that refining wheat into white flour, using old flour, combining sugar and dairy with wheat products, or leavening with yeast instead of sourdough produces a lot of the unhealthy reactions. While Chinese medicine does consider wheat products to be sodden, damp in nature, if prepared properly and combined well with other foods, it should be well tolerated. Sometimes we can take the 'food allergy' a bit too far. I find that people with spleen/stomach vacuity patterns have more problems with it. Also, as wheat has been hybridized over the last one hundred years, the gluten content has increased greatly, which is good for kneading bread, but harder to digest. The one wheat product I sometimes have allergic reactions to is seitan, the pure gluten, it gives me itchy eyes and a runny nose. On Aug 29, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Petra Buchanan wrote: > The reason it is calms shen is the same reason that it > makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many > people are addicted to it. > --- Jean <greypal wrote: > > > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > > bind " > > > > sweet, salty, cool. > > stops sweating. > > nourishes heart. > > used for bedwetting in children. > > > > jean > > > > > > ________ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Petra Could you explain that statement? My understanding is that it supplements heart qi, and because of it's light nature it also has a relationship with the exterior of the body, hence the relationship with sweating disorders (sweat is the fluid of the heart, the exterior is where sweating happens). It's calming effect is likely related to astringing the shen via supplementation of heart qi (as it works in the context of spleen heart dual vacuity, or restless organ syndrome which contains aspects of spleen heart dual vacuity) It is certainly not a heavy settling substance, or even a particularly dense nourishing substance like shu di huang. Are you proposing that it is addictive because it is sedative? Because it gives a spike of blood sugar? Because it is supplementing? This discussion has been mixing paradigms in a problematic way. Gluten may or may not produce dampness, chances are it does... but it does so because of its sweet, cloying and nourishing nature. If it is engendering other issues, like damp heat reactions, then looking more carefully at the terrain (patient) is in order. Many people eat lots of wheat and have no difficulty with it, finding it nourishing and easy to digest, which seems to detract from any idea that the toxicity is inherent to the grain. Most food is capable of producing transient or long term dampness in the context of an under performing spleen, or stagnation in the digestive function, etc. All of the grains have a tropism for earth are " sweet " and are supplementing to qi and to some extent blood. They are, after all, the source of postnatal qi, gu qi means " grain qi " . Perhaps wheat or gluten is " very sweet " . When you use sweet supplementation in the context of a damaged spleen there is a good chance that dampness will be engendered, so all the normal notions of balancing sweet supplementing medicinals and draining damp at the same time apply to dietary theory as well as herb theory, as they exist on a continuum. Even five element dietary theory reflects this, in that the five flavors must be balanced, and grains are more or less all sweet with other flavors thrown in. Failure to balance this leads to a predominance of earth and dampness results, and if there are other problems in the patient then the dampness can lead to more problematic symptoms. Par Scott - Petra Buchanan Chinese Medicine Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:23 PM Re: wheat and dampness The reason it is calms shen is the same reason that it makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many people are addicted to it. --- Jean <greypal wrote: > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > bind " > > sweet, salty, cool. > stops sweating. > nourishes heart. > used for bedwetting in children. > > jean > > ________ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 MSG/ monosodium glutamate/ vetsin/ ajino-moto, also hidden in many other names, is added to almost anything /everything that's prepped outside your own kitchen.Something to seriously consider /look into. Hope this help. Amy Calibuso, RN.BSN,LMT, AP.DOM Doctor of Oriental Medicine ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 All I am saying is that for the same reasons wheat calms the shen of certain people in a healthy way is the same reason that others become fixated upon it. I does calm the shen and is somewhat of a sedative. --- <zrosenbe wrote: > I don't follow your line of thinking here. First of > all, what do you > mean by being 'addicted' to it? Since bread for > centuries has been > considered to be the 'staff of life', it has been a > mainstay of diet > around the world. My observation is that refining > wheat into white > flour, using old flour, combining sugar and dairy > with wheat > products, or leavening with yeast instead of > sourdough produces a lot > of the unhealthy reactions. While Chinese medicine > does consider > wheat products to be sodden, damp in nature, if > prepared properly and > combined well with other foods, it should be well > tolerated. > > Sometimes we can take the 'food allergy' a bit too > far. I find that > people with spleen/stomach vacuity patterns have > more problems with > it. Also, as wheat has been hybridized over the > last one hundred > years, the gluten content has increased greatly, > which is good for > kneading bread, but harder to digest. The one wheat > product I > sometimes have allergic reactions to is seitan, the > pure gluten, it > gives me itchy eyes and a runny nose. > > > On Aug 29, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Petra Buchanan wrote: > > > The reason it is calms shen is the same reason > that it > > makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many > > people are addicted to it. > > --- Jean <greypal wrote: > > > > > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > > > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > > > bind " > > > > > > sweet, salty, cool. > > > stops sweating. > > > nourishes heart. > > > used for bedwetting in children. > > > > > > jean > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > San Diego, Ca. 92122 [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv./collections/222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Petra, An shen/calm shen medicinals work by nourishing the heart, as does fu xiao mai. They are not sedatives, which have a specific pharmacological action which is not the same. The heavy, weighed- down feeling some people get from wheat products is caused by poor digestion and accumulation of dampness. On Aug 30, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Petra Buchanan wrote: > All I am saying is that for the same reasons wheat > calms the shen of certain people in a healthy way is > the same reason that others become fixated upon it. I > does calm the shen and is somewhat of a sedative. > --- <zrosenbe wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 What I am saying from my own experience is that a little is good and too much will lead to dampness and a weak digestion. I have seen quite a few people, myself included that start out skinny and nervous and after years of using food to quiet that anxiety end up overweight with weak digestions. Sorry if I used the wrong word in sedative. I just meant that wheat does have a sedating quality if used in large enough quantities and processed enough. It is similar to valarian and valeum, one is mildly calming while the other is very addictive. I have a feeling we are not going to see eye to eye on this one. I am coming from a very different place. I had an eating disorder for ten years, I also worked in a macrobiotic restaurant for ten years as a chef. I have been free from an addiction to food for a very long time and eat wheat all of the time with no ill effects. To me I see the addictive quality of certain foods which I have thought long and hard about why that would be. To me again, it makes perfect sense that something that is mildly calming in moderate amounts would become an addictive sedative if processed enough and abused in the amounts ingested. --- <zrosenbe wrote: > Petra, > An shen/calm shen medicinals work by nourishing > the heart, as > does fu xiao mai. They are not sedatives, which > have a specific > pharmacological action which is not the same. The > heavy, weighed- > down feeling some people get from wheat products is > caused by poor > digestion and accumulation of dampness. > > > On Aug 30, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Petra Buchanan wrote: > > > All I am saying is that for the same reasons wheat > > calms the shen of certain people in a healthy way > is > > the same reason that others become fixated upon > it. I > > does calm the shen and is somewhat of a sedative. > > --- <zrosenbe wrote: > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Explain to me why a whole nation is addicted to wheat. I does have an earthy quality, which is very calming and grounding for many, and in excess will create dampness. I think that there are a lot of stressed out, anxious people out there and there only recourse is to check out by eating copious amounts of wheat, sugar, and fat. Maybe using the word sedative was wrong for this forum. I am just saying that a little bit of grain, fat, sugar or whatever else is going to leave someone feeling grounded, calm, nice. While to much and it enters the realm of a very bad habit. I could get into the whole chinese energetics of it but I won't. I am just speaking from personal experience. I know that when I used to overdo wheat I felt very, sorry to use the wrong work, sedated. To me it was like a drug. And for many it is. So maybe you could explain the reasons for that to me. I don't get it anymore becouse I now love wheat and think that it is a great product. I just know that in the past, everytime I ate it it had a strange effect on me. --- Par Scott <parufus wrote: > Petra > > Could you explain that statement? > > My understanding is that it supplements heart qi, > and because of it's light nature it also has a > relationship with the exterior of the body, hence > the relationship with sweating disorders (sweat is > the fluid of the heart, the exterior is where > sweating happens). It's calming effect is likely > related to astringing the shen via supplementation > of heart qi (as it works in the context of spleen > heart dual vacuity, or restless organ syndrome which > contains aspects of spleen heart dual vacuity) It is > certainly not a heavy settling substance, or even a > particularly dense nourishing substance like shu di > huang. > > Are you proposing that it is addictive because it is > sedative? Because it gives a spike of blood sugar? > Because it is supplementing? > > This discussion has been mixing paradigms in a > problematic way. Gluten may or may not produce > dampness, chances are it does... but it does so > because of its sweet, cloying and nourishing nature. > If it is engendering other issues, like damp heat > reactions, then looking more carefully at the > terrain (patient) is in order. Many people eat lots > of wheat and have no difficulty with it, finding it > nourishing and easy to digest, which seems to > detract from any idea that the toxicity is inherent > to the grain. > > Most food is capable of producing transient or long > term dampness in the context of an under performing > spleen, or stagnation in the digestive function, > etc. All of the grains have a tropism for earth are > " sweet " and are supplementing to qi and to some > extent blood. They are, after all, the source of > postnatal qi, gu qi means " grain qi " . Perhaps wheat > or gluten is " very sweet " . When you use sweet > supplementation in the context of a damaged spleen > there is a good chance that dampness will be > engendered, so all the normal notions of balancing > sweet supplementing medicinals and draining damp at > the same time apply to dietary theory as well as > herb theory, as they exist on a continuum. Even five > element dietary theory reflects this, in that the > five flavors must be balanced, and grains are more > or less all sweet with other flavors thrown in. > Failure to balance this leads to a predominance of > earth and dampness results, and if there are other > problems in the patient then the dampness can lead > to more problematic symptoms. > > Par Scott > > - > Petra Buchanan > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:23 PM > Re: wheat and dampness > > > The reason it is calms shen is the same reason > that it > makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many > people are addicted to it. > --- Jean <greypal wrote: > > > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > > bind " > > > > sweet, salty, cool. > > stops sweating. > > nourishes heart. > > used for bedwetting in children. > > > > jean > > > > > > > ________ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 It's me again. So I am wondering if anyone one has wisdom in TCM terms regarding why certain foods are more addictive than others. In the past if I ate a tiny bit of sugar or wheat I would immediately want to eat the whole box, whereas if I at an apple or salad for example I would be completely satified. I was very spleen deficient in the past. So strengthening that had a profound effect on my cravings. Was it the weak spleen/obsessive connection or something else. Any thoughts. And again why would people be so obsessive about certain foods and not others.Chinese Medicine , " Par Scott " <parufus wrote: > > Petra > > Could you explain that statement? > > My understanding is that it supplements heart qi, and because of it's light nature it also has a relationship with the exterior of the body, hence the relationship with sweating disorders (sweat is the fluid of the heart, the exterior is where sweating happens). It's calming effect is likely related to astringing the shen via supplementation of heart qi (as it works in the context of spleen heart dual vacuity, or restless organ syndrome which contains aspects of spleen heart dual vacuity) It is certainly not a heavy settling substance, or even a particularly dense nourishing substance like shu di huang. > > Are you proposing that it is addictive because it is sedative? Because it gives a spike of blood sugar? Because it is supplementing? > > This discussion has been mixing paradigms in a problematic way. Gluten may or may not produce dampness, chances are it does... but it does so because of its sweet, cloying and nourishing nature. If it is engendering other issues, like damp heat reactions, then looking more carefully at the terrain (patient) is in order. Many people eat lots of wheat and have no difficulty with it, finding it nourishing and easy to digest, which seems to detract from any idea that the toxicity is inherent to the grain. > > Most food is capable of producing transient or long term dampness in the context of an under performing spleen, or stagnation in the digestive function, etc. All of the grains have a tropism for earth are " sweet " and are supplementing to qi and to some extent blood. They are, after all, the source of postnatal qi, gu qi means " grain qi " . Perhaps wheat or gluten is " very sweet " . When you use sweet supplementation in the context of a damaged spleen there is a good chance that dampness will be engendered, so all the normal notions of balancing sweet supplementing medicinals and draining damp at the same time apply to dietary theory as well as herb theory, as they exist on a continuum. Even five element dietary theory reflects this, in that the five flavors must be balanced, and grains are more or less all sweet with other flavors thrown in. Failure to balance this leads to a predominance of earth and dampness results, and if there are other problems in the patient then the dampness can lead to more problematic symptoms. > > Par Scott > > - > Petra Buchanan > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:23 PM > Re: wheat and dampness > > > The reason it is calms shen is the same reason that it > makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many > people are addicted to it. > --- Jean <greypal wrote: > > > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > > bind " > > > > sweet, salty, cool. > > stops sweating. > > nourishes heart. > > used for bedwetting in children. > > > > jean > > > > > > ________ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Hi Petra, Organic / wholegrain doesn't mean it's free of additives. I was shocked myself to read Dr Mercola's article, that even cigaretes are positve with MSG. Even fresh green veggies are sprayed with it. It induce food craving big time, leading to ST fire,.. non-stop craving. Even vitamins caps/pill are laced with it. Search Dr Mercola's website + links. Take care. Amy Calibuso, RN.BSN,LMT, AP.DOM Doctor of Oriental Medicine ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The late, great Dr Bernard Jensen mentioned to me that wheat is a major contributor of adipose and obesity as opposed to rye, which increases lean muscle mass. I do not know where this came from but he did spend a fair amount of time with other cultures and looked at what they ate and their health. Wheat was not the main grain in Europe at that time. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : parufus: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:48:13 -0400Re: wheat and dampness PetraCould you explain that statement?My understanding is that it supplements heart qi, and because of it's light nature it also has a relationship with the exterior of the body, hence the relationship with sweating disorders (sweat is the fluid of the heart, the exterior is where sweating happens). It's calming effect is likely related to astringing the shen via supplementation of heart qi (as it works in the context of spleen heart dual vacuity, or restless organ syndrome which contains aspects of spleen heart dual vacuity) It is certainly not a heavy settling substance, or even a particularly dense nourishing substance like shu di huang.Are you proposing that it is addictive because it is sedative? Because it gives a spike of blood sugar? Because it is supplementing?This discussion has been mixing paradigms in a problematic way. Gluten may or may not produce dampness, chances are it does... but it does so because of its sweet, cloying and nourishing nature. If it is engendering other issues, like damp heat reactions, then looking more carefully at the terrain (patient) is in order. Many people eat lots of wheat and have no difficulty with it, finding it nourishing and easy to digest, which seems to detract from any idea that the toxicity is inherent to the grain.Most food is capable of producing transient or long term dampness in the context of an under performing spleen, or stagnation in the digestive function, etc. All of the grains have a tropism for earth are " sweet " and are supplementing to qi and to some extent blood. They are, after all, the source of postnatal qi, gu qi means " grain qi " . Perhaps wheat or gluten is " very sweet " . When you use sweet supplementation in the context of a damaged spleen there is a good chance that dampness will be engendered, so all the normal notions of balancing sweet supplementing medicinals and draining damp at the same time apply to dietary theory as well as herb theory, as they exist on a continuum. Even five element dietary theory reflects this, in that the five flavors must be balanced, and grains are more or less all sweet with other flavors thrown in. Failure to balance this leads to a predominance of earth and dampness results, and if there are other problems in the patient then the dampness can lead to more problematic symptoms.Par Scott- Petra Buchanan To: Chinese Medicine Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:23 PMRe: wheat and dampnessThe reason it is calms shen is the same reason that itmakes others tired and lethargic, and why so manypeople are addicted to it.--- Jean <greypal wrote:> but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat.> found in the section " herbs that stabililze and> bind " > > sweet, salty, cool.> stops sweating.> nourishes heart.> used for bedwetting in children.> > jean> > ________ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world & mkt=en-US & form=QBRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I was pretty macrobiotic much of the time. So although I was overdoing it on wheat, sugar, etc....it was usually organic and whole grain. --- Amyc144 wrote: > MSG/ monosodium glutamate/ vetsin/ ajino-moto, > also hidden in many other names, is added to almost > anything /everything > that's prepped outside your own kitchen.Something to > seriously consider > /look into. > Hope this help. > > Amy Calibuso, RN.BSN,LMT, AP.DOM > Doctor of Oriental Medicine > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Hi Petra There is a concept of shan (善 or 膳). Things have either large or small shan, and it corresponds in a rough way to how they are assimilated, either quickly like simple carbs, or slowly, like complex carbs etc. It may also have to do with relative nutrition by volume and the amount of roughage in something... I have only seen this term used a couple of times, and I'm not sure that it is a current term or an old one... there is an article in PJOM from several years ago that talked about this concept, but I haven't found it much in older literature. Another concept is thick and thin (slow and fast acting) as applied to herbal flavors, though the rapid action of sugar doesn't have anything to do with its sweetness it does break down easily and become qi, so you might think about it as thin sweet. If you supplement qi in an unbalanced way, either too rapidly or excessively, as with straight yang supplementation the qi or yang will blow off quickly and leave the person feeling like they need another fix. If people do this on a regular basis their physiology adjusts and they come to rely on it. For instance, if an older gent takes some deer antler pills to improve his sexual performance he will stir his ministerial fire, become sexually aroused and nature takes its course. Without balanced yin supplementation to regulate the movement of yang afterwards his essence is more depleted, and his ministerial fire will consequentially be weaker as well, requiring more stimulation the next time. Qi drives the digestive process, as well as being its product. When the run down spleen gets a shot of pure qi it takes off and gets cranking, looking for whatever looks promising to make some more qi out of. If a Twinkie looked like food the first time, perhaps three or four more will seem like a good idea. As for people getting hooked on one type of food, I usually find people get sucked into the foods they were rewarded with as children or have other more psychological reasons around, someone with a carb jones going will generally avail themselves of anything handy. Another theory that is pure MSU on my part is that a lot of anxiety is based on a poor relationship between fire and water in the body. In a cosmological relationship where earth stands above water and below fire. The absorptive nature of earth accepts heat from one side and moisture and cold from the other and allows them to blend, as opposed to clashing antagonistically. Overeating and dampness sedates us in the sense that it impedes the dynamic between fire and water and quells some of the restlessness that is generated by stagnant heat, or stirred up ministerial fire, or even vacuity of yin or blood. But all of those problems are eventually made worse though improper diet... I don't know if I buy the idea that all addictive processes are based in yin vacuity, it seems a little trite. I spent several months working in a halfway house doing treatments and didn't notice any particular trend in that direction. I don't know if any of this resonates with your experience. Par - petrabuchanan Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:56 PM Re: wheat and dampness It's me again. So I am wondering if anyone one has wisdom in TCM terms regarding why certain foods are more addictive than others. In the past if I ate a tiny bit of sugar or wheat I would immediately want to eat the whole box, whereas if I at an apple or salad for example I would be completely satified. I was very spleen deficient in the past. So strengthening that had a profound effect on my cravings. Was it the weak spleen/obsessive connection or something else. Any thoughts. And again why would people be so obsessive about certain foods and not others.Chinese Medicine , " Par Scott " <parufus wrote: > > Petra > > Could you explain that statement? > > My understanding is that it supplements heart qi, and because of it's light nature it also has a relationship with the exterior of the body, hence the relationship with sweating disorders (sweat is the fluid of the heart, the exterior is where sweating happens). It's calming effect is likely related to astringing the shen via supplementation of heart qi (as it works in the context of spleen heart dual vacuity, or restless organ syndrome which contains aspects of spleen heart dual vacuity) It is certainly not a heavy settling substance, or even a particularly dense nourishing substance like shu di huang. > > Are you proposing that it is addictive because it is sedative? Because it gives a spike of blood sugar? Because it is supplementing? > > This discussion has been mixing paradigms in a problematic way. Gluten may or may not produce dampness, chances are it does... but it does so because of its sweet, cloying and nourishing nature. If it is engendering other issues, like damp heat reactions, then looking more carefully at the terrain (patient) is in order. Many people eat lots of wheat and have no difficulty with it, finding it nourishing and easy to digest, which seems to detract from any idea that the toxicity is inherent to the grain. > > Most food is capable of producing transient or long term dampness in the context of an under performing spleen, or stagnation in the digestive function, etc. All of the grains have a tropism for earth are " sweet " and are supplementing to qi and to some extent blood. They are, after all, the source of postnatal qi, gu qi means " grain qi " . Perhaps wheat or gluten is " very sweet " . When you use sweet supplementation in the context of a damaged spleen there is a good chance that dampness will be engendered, so all the normal notions of balancing sweet supplementing medicinals and draining damp at the same time apply to dietary theory as well as herb theory, as they exist on a continuum. Even five element dietary theory reflects this, in that the five flavors must be balanced, and grains are more or less all sweet with other flavors thrown in. Failure to balance this leads to a predominance of earth and dampness results, and if there are other problems in the patient then the dampness can lead to more problematic symptoms. > > Par Scott > > - > Petra Buchanan > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:23 PM > Re: wheat and dampness > > > The reason it is calms shen is the same reason that it > makes others tired and lethargic, and why so many > people are addicted to it. > --- Jean <greypal wrote: > > > but what about the herb " fu xiao mai " - wheat. > > found in the section " herbs that stabililze and > > bind " > > > > sweet, salty, cool. > > stops sweating. > > nourishes heart. > > used for bedwetting in children. > > > > jean > > > > > > ________ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 The answer is right there. Your intent/desire magnified by the treatments you had done to yourself. The immune system had improved. I'm happy for you. Take care. Amy Calibuso, RN.BSN,LMT, AP.DOM Doctor of Oriental Medicine ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 So then why do I no longer have cravings now even though I am probably why less careful about what I eat than I used to be? I definitely worked in my digestion with acupuncture, went to therapy, and then did a ton of internal and external dragon treatment. It is still quite mysterious to me that for ten years I was so compulsive and then one day not. --- Amyc144 wrote: > Hi Petra, > Organic / wholegrain doesn't mean it's free of > additives. > I was shocked myself to read Dr Mercola's article, > that even cigaretes are > positve with MSG. > Even fresh green veggies are sprayed with it. > It induce food craving big time, leading to ST > fire,.. non-stop craving. > Even vitamins caps/pill are laced with it. > Search Dr Mercola's website + links. > Take care. > > > > Amy Calibuso, RN.BSN,LMT, AP.DOM > Doctor of Oriental Medicine > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. http://travel./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 As I said, Petra, I believe that craving is clearly related to Yin vacuity (emptiness and neediness resulting from burnout) and Gu pathogens ( from poor eating habits precipitating dampness and Candida). Using Chinese medicine I would guess that you have been gradually supplementing Yin and strengthening the Spleen, so that it appeared one day that the craving was gone. But just like Cancer, which doesn't suddenly show up one day (despite the ignorant contention of oncologists), so too the process of balancing is just that, a gradual process of removing one stone at a time, until you are able to stand tall, no longer carrying the burdon, and just the opposite of the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. Yehuda Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan wrote: So then why do I no longer have cravings now even though I am probably why less careful about what I eat than I used to be? I definitely worked in my digestion with acupuncture, went to therapy, and then did a ton of internal and external dragon treatment. It is still quite mysterious to me that for ten years I was so compulsive and then one day not. --- Amyc144 wrote: > Hi Petra, > Organic / wholegrain doesn't mean it's free of > additives. > I was shocked myself to read Dr Mercola's article, > that even cigaretes are > positve with MSG. > Even fresh green veggies are sprayed with it. > It induce food craving big time, leading to ST > fire,.. non-stop craving. > Even vitamins caps/pill are laced with it. > Search Dr Mercola's website + links. > Take care. > > > > Amy Calibuso, RN.BSN,LMT, AP.DOM > Doctor of Oriental Medicine > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. http://travel./ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Ya know, I've found EFT to be pretty effective for all types of allergies. Craving can be a type of allergy. I don't quite grok the diagnostic perspective of TCM on the middle jiao, but the EFT approach, which is Chinese meridian-based, makes a lot of sense. I used it for my asthma to tremendous success. No drugs, no diagnosis, and no to very little wheezing. Here's the idea, " pathogens " in whatever form interrupt the body's qi flow. By balancing the the body's reaction to the offending agent the allergic reaction is eliminated. I got instant results using this approach by balancing an aspect of my body that stored the pathogenic factor. I did it for about 3 months, occassionally stopping to test and see if I needed to continue. I'm not doing it anymore. It seems my body learned how to stop having this reaction. Mind you, before trying this EFT application, I tried the ole " even though I'm wheezing, I love myself " and countless variations on theme to little or no result, certainly not satisfactory. Based on the experiences of others with gastric complaints, this the same results are possible. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. yang-chu http://vytalpathways.com ______________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 What is EFT? --- Yangchu Higgins <ycmgh wrote: > Ya know, I've found EFT to be pretty effective for > all > types of allergies. Craving can be a type of > allergy. > I don't quite grok the diagnostic perspective of > TCM > on the middle jiao, but the EFT approach, which is > Chinese meridian-based, makes a lot of sense. > > I used it for my asthma to tremendous success. No > drugs, no diagnosis, and no to very little wheezing. > > > Here's the idea, " pathogens " in whatever form > interrupt the body's qi flow. By balancing the the > body's reaction to the offending agent the allergic > reaction is eliminated. > > I got instant results using this approach by > balancing > an aspect of my body that stored the pathogenic > factor. I did it for about 3 months, occassionally > stopping to test and see if I needed to continue. > I'm > not doing it anymore. It seems my body learned how > to > stop having this reaction. Mind you, before trying > this EFT application, I tried the ole " even though > I'm > wheezing, I love myself " and countless variations on > theme to little or no result, certainly not > satisfactory. > > Based on the experiences of others with gastric > complaints, this the same results are possible. > > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. > > yang-chu > http://vytalpathways.com > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - > their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at > Games. > http://sims./ > ______________________________\ ____Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 <petrabuchanan said: > What is EFT? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_Freedom_Techniques -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hi Yang-chu, I read with interest your use of EFT for asthma. You say: > Mind you, before trying > this EFT application, I tried the ole " even though I'm > wheezing, I love myself " and countless variations on > theme to little or no result, certainly not satisfactory. That's my understanding of how EFT is done. If you didn't do that approach, what approach did you discover was effective? Thanks! Abigail Abigail Surasky, LAc (Licensed Acupuncturist/Herbalist) Women's Health, Obstetrics, Pediatrics, Chronic Illness, Digestion, Pain 2006 Dwight Way (Milvia), Suite 208 Berkeley, CA 94704 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel. 510-845-8017 Fax 510-841-5551 ______________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Howdy, Here's something simple that I worked up on my site http://www.vytalpathways.com/allergies.html. There's a more extensive discussion on one of the tapes. The " ...I accept myself " approach is just the tip of the iceberg. y.c. ______________________________\ ____ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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