Boring vs Exciting Was: compulsive hair pulling

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Hi all, this opens up a topic that is very intriguing for me. Being

practitioners of CM, I believe we all have at least a passing familiarity with

CM's underpinnings: Confucian and Buddhist influences and finally Daoist at the

root.

Daoists held a certain " non-attachment " in very high regard, and this was

because, as far as I can understand it, attachment kept one involved in some

kind of cycle. If we consider it, the nature of this cycle is repetition, and it

is a form of entrapment. Part of this cycling can involve our emotional life.

Emotions can be very powerful, and we can easily create emotional ruts

_physically_. I know that, at least in my experience, this wheel of suffering,

this cycle, this rut, is extremely powerful. I also know that it has no real

vitality and is very boring. It is no different from having a button on your

person, which anyone can come up and push, and as a result, one is " forced " to

get on a literal rollercoaster ride, no matter the time of day, relevance, how

much energy one has to waste, how many times one has been on this exact same

ride and so on. This is not being human, in my opinion. This is being a robot.

Given that there is not a lot of vitality, growth or mystery in this cycle, I

have trouble describing it as fully human...in other words, I often find myself

describing the repetitive process of this wheel as being very similar on some

levels, in some ways, to a machine. As far as I can tell, sometimes we do behave

like very boring automatons. We do not connect to our living reality, and

instead react in very predictable ways - as a result we restrain our humanity

from coming forth. This is not being Human, Realised or " awake " .

Having said this, the core, the heart of a human, is always human and awake.

What covers it however (sometimes very thickly), can be no better than a

machine. And we also know, according to CM doctrine as well as our clinical

experience, that organs can generate pathological emotions simply because they

are weak / obstructed / etc, and not because there is an external " reason " . This

means that we can, and we do, malfunction in the same sort of way that a machine

does. This is why western medicine got fooled and treats people like machines:

because there is truth in their perception. Western medicine simply didn't look

deeply enough to find the other truth - that at our core we are not machines.

Both sides are true. Smart alecks use both truths in clinical practice.

 

It is possible that some buttons have been pushed and that the robots have

begun their march.

 

Thoughts?

 

Some wise men confronted Buddha. Regarding his radiance, they asked him if he

was a God.

" No " , answered the Buddha.

" Are you the messiah? "

" No " , answered Buddha.

" Then are you a healer? "

" No " , Buddha replied.

" Then are you a teacher? " the wise men persisted.

" No, I am not a teacher. "

" Then are you human?! "

" No " , answered Buddha.

" Then what are you? " asked the wise men, exasperated.

" I am awake " , Buddha replied.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, 15 August, 2007 9:58:27 AM

Re: compulsive hair pulling

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Nam,

 

 

 

With all due respect, emotional problems are never going to be " cured " unless

specific precipitating events such as traumas are released and resolved.

People are not machines that respond to special fuel additives!

 

 

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

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Dear Hugo,

Sometimes ago I had a feeling as a machine as you mentioned until I

had read and learned about the book " How to Win Friends and Influence

People _ from Dale Carnegie " my life has changed.

I wish some of us take some times off and learn from this author.

We are all human beings living in a social groups chasing after

money and fames, but instead of working all in teams we only express

our feelings, our egos and careless about others. This creates our

feeling as of being rejected and feeling as robots. However, there are

many people still have their true human beings seeking in teamwork and

love and want to be together.

This is us, TCMs. This is what others ( patients ) want us to do.

We should pay more attention to them. They want some cares, being

recognized and being a team with them.

If we can help others, build their trust and make them happy, we

are not robots, we are human beings.

 

 

Nam Nguyen

 

 

 

 

 

 

we only look into ourselves for our interests and our drives

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor wrote:

>

> Hi all, this opens up a topic that is very intriguing for me. Being

practitioners of CM, I believe we all have at least a passing

familiarity with CM's underpinnings: Confucian and Buddhist influences

and finally Daoist at the root.

> Daoists held a certain " non-attachment " in very high regard, and

this was because, as far as I can understand it, attachment kept one

involved in some kind of cycle. If we consider it, the nature of this

cycle is repetition, and it is a form of entrapment. Part of this

cycling can involve our emotional life. Emotions can be very powerful,

and we can easily create emotional ruts _physically_. I know that, at

least in my experience, this wheel of suffering, this cycle, this rut,

is extremely powerful. I also know that it has no real vitality and is

very boring. It is no different from having a button on your person,

which anyone can come up and push, and as a result, one is " forced " to

get on a literal rollercoaster ride, no matter the time of day,

relevance, how much energy one has to waste, how many times one has

been on this exact same ride and so on. This is not being human, in my

opinion. This is being a robot.

> Given that there is not a lot of vitality, growth or mystery in

this cycle, I have trouble describing it as fully human...in other

words, I often find myself describing the repetitive process of this

wheel as being very similar on some levels, in some ways, to a

machine. As far as I can tell, sometimes we do behave like very boring

automatons. We do not connect to our living reality, and instead react

in very predictable ways - as a result we restrain our humanity from

coming forth. This is not being Human, Realised or " awake " .

> Having said this, the core, the heart of a human, is always human

and awake. What covers it however (sometimes very thickly), can be no

better than a machine. And we also know, according to CM doctrine as

well as our clinical experience, that organs can generate pathological

emotions simply because they are weak / obstructed / etc, and not

because there is an external " reason " . This means that we can, and we

do, malfunction in the same sort of way that a machine does. This is

why western medicine got fooled and treats people like machines:

because there is truth in their perception. Western medicine simply

didn't look deeply enough to find the other truth - that at our core

we are not machines.

> Both sides are true. Smart alecks use both truths in clinical

practice.

>

> It is possible that some buttons have been pushed and that the

robots have begun their march.

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Some wise men confronted Buddha. Regarding his radiance, they asked

him if he was a God.

> " No " , answered the Buddha.

> " Are you the messiah? "

> " No " , answered Buddha.

> " Then are you a healer? "

> " No " , Buddha replied.

> " Then are you a teacher? " the wise men persisted.

> " No, I am not a teacher. "

> " Then are you human?! "

> " No " , answered Buddha.

> " Then what are you? " asked the wise men, exasperated.

> " I am awake " , Buddha replied.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Wednesday, 15 August, 2007 9:58:27 AM

> Re: compulsive hair pulling

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Nam,

>

>

>

> With all due respect, emotional problems are never going to be

" cured " unless specific precipitating events such as traumas are

released and resolved. People are not machines that respond to

special fuel additives!

>

>

>

> Yehuda

>

>

>

> dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58@ > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose

>

> of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add

>

> acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit.

>

>

>

> Recent Activity

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> 5

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> New Members

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Very well said, Hugo. I also really like the quote!

 

I find that most people don't understand their emotions and some

don't even acknowledge that they have any. Most people, I find,

don't live in their bodies. They live at work and think about

anything outside of themselves.

 

JW

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor wrote:

>

> Hi all, this opens up a topic that is very intriguing for me.

Being practitioners of CM, I believe we all have at least a passing

familiarity with CM's underpinnings: Confucian and Buddhist

influences and finally Daoist at the root.

> Daoists held a certain " non-attachment " in very high regard, and

this was because, as far as I can understand it, attachment kept one

involved in some kind of cycle. If we consider it, the nature of this

cycle is repetition, and it is a form of entrapment. Part of this

cycling can involve our emotional life. Emotions can be very

powerful, and we can easily create emotional ruts _physically_. I

know that, at least in my experience, this wheel of suffering, this

cycle, this rut, is extremely powerful. I also know that it has no

real vitality and is very boring. It is no different from having a

button on your person, which anyone can come up and push, and as a

result, one is " forced " to get on a literal rollercoaster ride, no

matter the time of day, relevance, how much energy one has to waste,

how many times one has been on this exact same ride and so on. This

is not being human, in my opinion. This is being a robot.

> Given that there is not a lot of vitality, growth or mystery in

this cycle, I have trouble describing it as fully human...in other

words, I often find myself describing the repetitive process of this

wheel as being very similar on some levels, in some ways, to a

machine. As far as I can tell, sometimes we do behave like very

boring automatons. We do not connect to our living reality, and

instead react in very predictable ways - as a result we restrain our

humanity from coming forth. This is not being Human, Realised

or " awake " .

> Having said this, the core, the heart of a human, is always human

and awake. What covers it however (sometimes very thickly), can be no

better than a machine. And we also know, according to CM doctrine as

well as our clinical experience, that organs can generate

pathological emotions simply because they are weak / obstructed /

etc, and not because there is an external " reason " . This means that

we can, and we do, malfunction in the same sort of way that a machine

does. This is why western medicine got fooled and treats people like

machines: because there is truth in their perception. Western

medicine simply didn't look deeply enough to find the other truth -

that at our core we are not machines.

> Both sides are true. Smart alecks use both truths in clinical

practice.

>

> It is possible that some buttons have been pushed and that the

robots have begun their march.

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Some wise men confronted Buddha. Regarding his radiance, they

asked him if he was a God.

> " No " , answered the Buddha.

> " Are you the messiah? "

> " No " , answered Buddha.

> " Then are you a healer? "

> " No " , Buddha replied.

> " Then are you a teacher? " the wise men persisted.

> " No, I am not a teacher. "

> " Then are you human?! "

> " No " , answered Buddha.

> " Then what are you? " asked the wise men, exasperated.

> " I am awake " , Buddha replied.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Wednesday, 15 August, 2007 9:58:27 AM

> Re: compulsive hair pulling

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Nam,

>

>

>

> With all due respect, emotional problems are never going to

be " cured " unless specific precipitating events such as traumas are

released and resolved. People are not machines that respond to

special fuel additives!

>

>

>

> Yehuda

>

>

>

> dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58@ > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose

>

> of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add

>

> acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit.

>

>

>

> Recent Activity

>

>

>

> 5

>

> New Members

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> Visit Your Group

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[Guest guest]

wow, hugo, that's a mouthful. you're seeing it crystal clear, and are right

on the money. i'll need a bit of time to chew on that, but i agree with you

and jamie, people are afraid to face their emo. that's why being an

atomoton is easier than facing and dealing with the pain, boredom, suffering

etc. that's why we're addicted to fast food (the pleasure of the tastes and

flavors allow us to hide from our pain, it's a drug), mindless tv (ibid),

rote activities and conversation (ibid). we do not want to confront the

truth of the pain and suffering of our experience and condition, so we

become a robot to hide from our feelings.

 

that's why patients cry on the table when we open up the emo blockages.

 

we've all had the patients who quit when they are getting better because

thier disease allows them to hide from their true emo suffering, which they

cannot face. its painful.

 

we don't want to face the reality of our lives, the consequences of our

choices, our actions, our circumstances.

 

that's not to say that life is 100% suffering, certainly there is joy,

meaningful relationships, work and accomplishments.

 

but for many the avg joe, life is a boring repletion of meaningless events,

lonely, empty. and our addictions allow us to avoid feeling the pain and

confronting the truth of our lives.

 

not that i'm a pessimistic person. . .

 

kb

 

 

On 8/16/07, Jamie Whartenby <jwhartenby wrote:

>

> Very well said, Hugo. I also really like the quote!

>

> I find that most people don't understand their emotions and some

> don't even acknowledge that they have any. Most people, I find,

> don't live in their bodies. They live at work and think about

> anything outside of themselves.

>

> JW

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

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> Hugo Ramiro

> <subincor wrote:

> >

> > Hi all, this opens up a topic that is very intriguing for me.

> Being practitioners of CM, I believe we all have at least a passing

> familiarity with CM's underpinnings: Confucian and Buddhist

> influences and finally Daoist at the root.

> > Daoists held a certain " non-attachment " in very high regard, and

> this was because, as far as I can understand it, attachment kept one

> involved in some kind of cycle. If we consider it, the nature of this

> cycle is repetition, and it is a form of entrapment. Part of this

> cycling can involve our emotional life. Emotions can be very

> powerful, and we can easily create emotional ruts _physically_. I

> know that, at least in my experience, this wheel of suffering, this

> cycle, this rut, is extremely powerful. I also know that it has no

> real vitality and is very boring. It is no different from having a

> button on your person, which anyone can come up and push, and as a

> result, one is " forced " to get on a literal rollercoaster ride, no

> matter the time of day, relevance, how much energy one has to waste,

> how many times one has been on this exact same ride and so on. This

> is not being human, in my opinion. This is being a robot.

> > Given that there is not a lot of vitality, growth or mystery in

> this cycle, I have trouble describing it as fully human...in other

> words, I often find myself describing the repetitive process of this

> wheel as being very similar on some levels, in some ways, to a

> machine. As far as I can tell, sometimes we do behave like very

> boring automatons. We do not connect to our living reality, and

> instead react in very predictable ways - as a result we restrain our

> humanity from coming forth. This is not being Human, Realised

> or " awake " .

> > Having said this, the core, the heart of a human, is always human

> and awake. What covers it however (sometimes very thickly), can be no

> better than a machine. And we also know, according to CM doctrine as

> well as our clinical experience, that organs can generate

> pathological emotions simply because they are weak / obstructed /

> etc, and not because there is an external " reason " . This means that

> we can, and we do, malfunction in the same sort of way that a machine

> does. This is why western medicine got fooled and treats people like

> machines: because there is truth in their perception. Western

> medicine simply didn't look deeply enough to find the other truth -

> that at our core we are not machines.

> > Both sides are true. Smart alecks use both truths in clinical

> practice.

> >

> > It is possible that some buttons have been pushed and that the

> robots have begun their march.

> >

> > Thoughts?

> >

> > Some wise men confronted Buddha. Regarding his radiance, they

> asked him if he was a God.

> > " No " , answered the Buddha.

> > " Are you the messiah? "

> > " No " , answered Buddha.

> > " Then are you a healer? "

> > " No " , Buddha replied.

> > " Then are you a teacher? " the wise men persisted.

> > " No, I am not a teacher. "

> > " Then are you human?! "

> > " No " , answered Buddha.

> > " Then what are you? " asked the wise men, exasperated.

> > " I am awake " , Buddha replied.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To:

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> > Wednesday, 15 August, 2007 9:58:27 AM

> > Re: compulsive hair pulling

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> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Nam,

> >

> >

> >

> > With all due respect, emotional problems are never going to

> be " cured " unless specific precipitating events such as traumas are

> released and resolved. People are not machines that respond to

> special fuel additives!

> >

> >

> >

> > Yehuda

> >

> >

> >

> > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose

> >

> > of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add

> >

> > acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit.

> >

> >

> >

> > Recent Activity

> >

> >

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